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olgatheo
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posted January 17, 2015 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just curious if there is a pattern in Astrological aspects that could indicate mental disorders ??
I know hard aspects to Mercury could be one factor.Maybe the parents or siblings have the same aspects ?? Could it be karmic?? Should I use the Draconic chart too??
Any Asteroids , if so which ones ??
Thanking anyone in advance.

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posted January 17, 2015 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon is mind and emotions
a damaged moon can cause this.
Rahu (disillusions) can cause mental illness

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posted January 17, 2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the birth chart can indicate the potential for mental illness. Mercury/Jupiter emphasis will involve tendency to anxiety disorders. Mercury operates more on the surface with a quicker outlet and thus does not contain and build up serious problems by itself.

Serious imbalances that prevent a person's consistent function are more indicated by Moon, Mars, Uranus, sometimes Neptune. Neptune (and Pluto) tend to indicate battles with addiction issues.

These will involve at least one or two of: conjuctions/parallels/oppositions/contra-parallels ... with some minor aspects coming into play. Those would generally be of the 15-degree/square series which would also include 45*, 75*, 105*, 135* (sesquisquare or 'sesquiquadrate'), 150*, 165*.

You can't nail this down to a particular planet or type of aspect. Remember any condition develops in a person, a human being. A single astrological factor is not strong enough to push a person to such a state.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed.

Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels.

I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart.
Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actress Vivien Leigh battled spells of mental illness in the form of manic attacks of anger and aggression. She was finally diagnoses with manic depression. The given time of birth is B-rated, so we will ignore the Asc.

Aspects:
- Moon conjunct Uranus
- Moon contra-parallel Saturn
- Mercury sesquisquare/135 Mars
- Mercury contra-parallel Mars
- Mercury parallel Jupiter
- Mars contra-parallel Jupiter
- Saturn ssq/135 Uranus


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posted January 17, 2015 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.

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posted January 17, 2015 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed.

Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels.

I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart.
Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.


Wow Gabby. That is interesting. Do a lot of people have this?

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posted January 17, 2015 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.


I have an exact combust.....I've been through so much...I would think id be the perfect example of that happening to someone, maybe a combust plus an affliction to Saturn? My Merc is aspected very nicely except for the combust...some say the combust is a good thing?
My Saturn is exact trine my combust, maybe Saturn might have been what's held my head together.

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posted January 17, 2015 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.

In my opinion an afflicted Pisces or Cancer Moon is prone to Co-dependence, Bipolar and possibly BPD.
And I see Venus Retrograde (again, when afflicted) as prone to NPD. But there are a lot of environmental and other factors to take into consideration.

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posted January 17, 2015 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Acording to what people have written in here, I should probably have a mental illness!

Mercury square neptune (exact) and square jupiter/saturn

Pisces moon square uranus, opposite moon and sun (moon is my chart ruler)

So an afflicted moon and mercury!

I have no diagnosed mental illness though... I don't think I suffer from anything (seriously)

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posted January 17, 2015 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Wow! Acording to what people have written in here, I should probably have a mental illness!

Mercury square neptune (exact) and square jupiter/saturn

Pisces moon square uranus, opposite moon and sun (moon is my chart ruler)

So an afflicted moon and mercury!

I have no diagnosed mental illness though... I don't think I suffer from anything (seriously)



Can you put the orbs in for all of these, N?

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posted January 17, 2015 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Gabby. That is interesting. Do a lot of people have this?


Ami... Yes!! I've seen it so much in the personal charts I've looked at that I started researching historic cases of mental illness and I can't believe how often I saw it!!

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posted January 17, 2015 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.

Agreed. The birth chart is just a starting place with potentials.

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posted January 17, 2015 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we define mental illness here? Are we differentiating between mental and emotional or lumping the two together?

I apparently also have a mental illness according to these statements, and aquaguy called me crazy... some say depression is a mental illness... I see it more as an emotional illness. Afflicted Moon (5 squares) and ASC/DSC in Cardinal with IC/MC fixed, afflicted ASC as well... Saturn could be happier...

Also my brother has these aspects in Leo, I've been contemplating making a thread about it:

ASC 11 deg
Sun 13 deg
Mercury 15 deg

Thoughts on this anyone?

I also don't really believe in mental illness in the "traditional" sense but not enough time to get into in depth right now. I sort of think most of humanity is pretty crazy or "mentally ill" in a way....

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posted January 17, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I have read does NOT fit any of the aspects discussed and I have an anxiety disorder plus PTSD.

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posted January 17, 2015 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ How's your Moon doing?

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posted January 17, 2015 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't agree that it does.

Mental illness is just that, mental. I wouldn't blame it on an astrological aspect.

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posted January 18, 2015 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Can you put the orbs in for all of these, N?



Moon(pisces) 29 degree, square Uranus(cap) 1 degree
Opposite Sun(virgo) 23 degree, and mars(virgo) 27 degree

Mercury (libra) 9 degree square neptune(cap) 9 degree, jupiter(cancer) 7, and saturn(cap) 7

I always suspected I might suffered from a mild depression, but since I went to a psychologist for a couple of month and she declares that I don't suffer from anything and I am completely "normal" in the way, I believe her

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posted January 18, 2015 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HRH-FishAreFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't remember if I already asked, but has anyone else here read Signs of Mental Illness: An Astrological and Psychiatric Breakthrough by Dr. Mitchell E. Gibson?

http://www.amazon.com/Signs-Mental-Illness-Astrological-Breakthrough/dp/ 1567183026/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

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posted January 18, 2015 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HRH-FishAreFish:
I can't remember if I already asked, but has anyone else here read Signs of Mental Illness: An Astrological and Psychiatric Breakthrough by Dr. Mitchell E. Gibson?

http://www.amazon.com/Signs-Mental-Illness-Astrological-Breakthrough/dp/ 1567183026/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8



Thank you will check it out !

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posted January 18, 2015 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed.

Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels.

I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart.
Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.


Thank you , Gabby . Much appreciated !

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olgatheo
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posted January 18, 2015 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by deepseablues:
Can we define mental illness here? Are we differentiating between mental and emotional or lumping the two together?

I apparently also have a mental illness according to these statements, and aquaguy called me crazy... some say depression is a mental illness... I see it more as an emotional illness. Afflicted Moon (5 squares) and ASC/DSC in Cardinal with IC/MC fixed, afflicted ASC as well... Saturn could be happier...

Also my brother has these aspects in Leo, I've been contemplating making a thread about it:

ASC 11 deg
Sun 13 deg
Mercury 15 deg

Thoughts on this anyone?

I also don't really believe in mental illness in the "traditional" sense but not enough time to get into in depth right now. I sort of think most of humanity is pretty crazy or "mentally ill" in a way....


Thank you for the input.
Could be both emotional and Mental .
Why not start a thread!! I find the human mind so fascinating!

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posted January 18, 2015 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.


Thank you Ami, will check with clients and let you know!!!
Never would of thought about it,but anything close to the Sun could imflame Mercury and burn it out !! Might it create a Genius too???

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posted January 18, 2015 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.

In my opinion an afflicted Pisces or Cancer Moon is prone to Co-dependence, Bipolar and possibly BPD.
And I see Venus Retrograde (again, when afflicted) as prone to NPD. But there are a lot of environmental and other factors to take into consideration.


Valid points, thank you Odette

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posted January 18, 2015 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fairaqua:
Moon is mind and emotions
a damaged moon can cause this.
Rahu (disillusions) can cause mental illness

Thank you, will check !

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