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Topic: Can a chart indicate mental illness?
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olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 01:26 PM
Just curious if there is a pattern in Astrological aspects that could indicate mental disorders ?? I know hard aspects to Mercury could be one factor.Maybe the parents or siblings have the same aspects ?? Could it be karmic?? Should I use the Draconic chart too?? Any Asteroids , if so which ones ?? Thanking anyone in advance. IP: Logged |
fairaqua Knowflake Posts: 820 From: Registered: Feb 2011
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posted January 17, 2015 01:41 PM
Moon is mind and emotions a damaged moon can cause this. Rahu (disillusions) can cause mental illnessIP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 424 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted January 17, 2015 04:53 PM
Yes, the birth chart can indicate the potential for mental illness. Mercury/Jupiter emphasis will involve tendency to anxiety disorders. Mercury operates more on the surface with a quicker outlet and thus does not contain and build up serious problems by itself. Serious imbalances that prevent a person's consistent function are more indicated by Moon, Mars, Uranus, sometimes Neptune. Neptune (and Pluto) tend to indicate battles with addiction issues. These will involve at least one or two of: conjuctions/parallels/oppositions/contra-parallels ... with some minor aspects coming into play. Those would generally be of the 15-degree/square series which would also include 45*, 75*, 105*, 135* (sesquisquare or 'sesquiquadrate'), 150*, 165*. You can't nail this down to a particular planet or type of aspect. Remember any condition develops in a person, a human being. A single astrological factor is not strong enough to push a person to such a state. ------------------ Professional astrology - Expert rectification http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/ Rising Sign descriptions: https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/ IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5478 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 05:07 PM
I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed. Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels. I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart. Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 424 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted January 17, 2015 05:08 PM
Actress Vivien Leigh battled spells of mental illness in the form of manic attacks of anger and aggression. She was finally diagnoses with manic depression. The given time of birth is B-rated, so we will ignore the Asc.Aspects: - Moon conjunct Uranus - Moon contra-parallel Saturn - Mercury sesquisquare/135 Mars - Mercury contra-parallel Mars - Mercury parallel Jupiter - Mars contra-parallel Jupiter - Saturn ssq/135 Uranus
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60283 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 17, 2015 05:47 PM
I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60283 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 17, 2015 06:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed. Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels. I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart. Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.
Wow Gabby. That is interesting. Do a lot of people have this? ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 5478 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 06:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.
I have an exact combust.....I've been through so much...I would think id be the perfect example of that happening to someone, maybe a combust plus an affliction to Saturn? My Merc is aspected very nicely except for the combust...some say the combust is a good thing? My Saturn is exact trine my combust, maybe Saturn might have been what's held my head together. IP: Logged |
Odette Moderator Posts: 5094 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 07:01 PM
I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.In my opinion an afflicted Pisces or Cancer Moon is prone to Co-dependence, Bipolar and possibly BPD. And I see Venus Retrograde (again, when afflicted) as prone to NPD. But there are a lot of environmental and other factors to take into consideration. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 2481 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 17, 2015 07:31 PM
Wow! Acording to what people have written in here, I should probably have a mental illness!Mercury square neptune (exact) and square jupiter/saturn Pisces moon square uranus, opposite moon and sun (moon is my chart ruler) So an afflicted moon and mercury! I have no diagnosed mental illness though... I don't think I suffer from anything (seriously) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60283 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 17, 2015 07:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by next to neptune: Wow! Acording to what people have written in here, I should probably have a mental illness!Mercury square neptune (exact) and square jupiter/saturn Pisces moon square uranus, opposite moon and sun (moon is my chart ruler) So an afflicted moon and mercury! I have no diagnosed mental illness though... I don't think I suffer from anything (seriously)
Can you put the orbs in for all of these, N?
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 5478 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 08:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Wow Gabby. That is interesting. Do a lot of people have this?
Ami... Yes!! I've seen it so much in the personal charts I've looked at that I started researching historic cases of mental illness and I can't believe how often I saw it!! IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 424 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted January 17, 2015 08:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Odette: I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.
Agreed. The birth chart is just a starting place with potentials. ------------------ Professional astrology - Expert rectification http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/ Rising Sign descriptions: https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/ IP: Logged |
deepseablues Knowflake Posts: 562 From: the ocean floor Registered: Jan 2014
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posted January 17, 2015 08:43 PM
Can we define mental illness here? Are we differentiating between mental and emotional or lumping the two together?I apparently also have a mental illness according to these statements, and aquaguy called me crazy... some say depression is a mental illness... I see it more as an emotional illness. Afflicted Moon (5 squares) and ASC/DSC in Cardinal with IC/MC fixed, afflicted ASC as well... Saturn could be happier... Also my brother has these aspects in Leo, I've been contemplating making a thread about it: ASC 11 deg Sun 13 deg Mercury 15 deg Thoughts on this anyone? I also don't really believe in mental illness in the "traditional" sense but not enough time to get into in depth right now. I sort of think most of humanity is pretty crazy or "mentally ill" in a way.... IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 136 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted January 17, 2015 10:29 PM
What I have read does NOT fit any of the aspects discussed and I have an anxiety disorder plus PTSD. IP: Logged |
Odette Moderator Posts: 5094 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted January 17, 2015 11:19 PM
^ How's your Moon doing?IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19 Moderator Posts: 5368 From: Pluto with DeepFreeze Registered: Jul 2013
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posted January 17, 2015 11:36 PM
I don't agree that it does.Mental illness is just that, mental. I wouldn't blame it on an astrological aspect. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 2481 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2015 06:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Can you put the orbs in for all of these, N?
Moon(pisces) 29 degree, square Uranus(cap) 1 degree Opposite Sun(virgo) 23 degree, and mars(virgo) 27 degree Mercury (libra) 9 degree square neptune(cap) 9 degree, jupiter(cancer) 7, and saturn(cap) 7 I always suspected I might suffered from a mild depression, but since I went to a psychologist for a couple of month and she declares that I don't suffer from anything and I am completely "normal" in the way, I believe her IP: Logged |
HRH-FishAreFish Knowflake Posts: 811 From: Neptune next to MikeG & Pluto Registered: May 2013
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posted January 18, 2015 06:33 AM
I can't remember if I already asked, but has anyone else here read Signs of Mental Illness: An Astrological and Psychiatric Breakthrough by Dr. Mitchell E. Gibson? http://www.amazon.com/Signs-Mental-Illness-Astrological-Breakthrough/dp/ 1567183026/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 IP: Logged |
olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by HRH-FishAreFish: I can't remember if I already asked, but has anyone else here read Signs of Mental Illness: An Astrological and Psychiatric Breakthrough by Dr. Mitchell E. Gibson? http://www.amazon.com/Signs-Mental-Illness-Astrological-Breakthrough/dp/ 1567183026/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Thank you will check it out !
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olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed. Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels. I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart. Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.
Thank you , Gabby . Much appreciated ! IP: Logged |
olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by deepseablues: Can we define mental illness here? Are we differentiating between mental and emotional or lumping the two together?I apparently also have a mental illness according to these statements, and aquaguy called me crazy... some say depression is a mental illness... I see it more as an emotional illness. Afflicted Moon (5 squares) and ASC/DSC in Cardinal with IC/MC fixed, afflicted ASC as well... Saturn could be happier... Also my brother has these aspects in Leo, I've been contemplating making a thread about it: ASC 11 deg Sun 13 deg Mercury 15 deg Thoughts on this anyone? I also don't really believe in mental illness in the "traditional" sense but not enough time to get into in depth right now. I sort of think most of humanity is pretty crazy or "mentally ill" in a way....
Thank you for the input. Could be both emotional and Mental . Why not start a thread!! I find the human mind so fascinating! IP: Logged |
olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I think it can. One aspect I think is a highlight for mental illness is the Merc/Sun combust, the closer the degree,the more nuclear the power and every degree counts. An exact combust is much more of a factor in this than a 5 degree one, imo.
Thank you Ami, will check with clients and let you know!!! Never would of thought about it,but anything close to the Sun could imflame Mercury and burn it out !! Might it create a Genius too??? IP: Logged |
olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by Odette: I think the chart can indicate the type/s of mental illness someone would be prone to - but not whether or not they will actually go on to develop mental illness.In my opinion an afflicted Pisces or Cancer Moon is prone to Co-dependence, Bipolar and possibly BPD. And I see Venus Retrograde (again, when afflicted) as prone to NPD. But there are a lot of environmental and other factors to take into consideration.
Valid points, thank you Odette IP: Logged |
olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 610 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted January 18, 2015 09:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by fairaqua: Moon is mind and emotions a damaged moon can cause this. Rahu (disillusions) can cause mental illness
Thank you, will check ! IP: Logged |