posted January 25, 2015 11:13 AM            

I wonder whether there's any indication of my condition in my chart.

posted January 25, 2015 05:56 PM            

Allot of serial killers have prominent saggitarius and/or leo in their charts(Ted bundy is a good example). Yes i realize not all sociopaths are serial killers and vice versa but i presume you understand why i use them as an example.

Now if you don't mind me asking, you say you feel emotions diffrently than what is usualy described, how so? i just can't imagine not having any empathy at all, altough i can imagine justifying means by ends, wathever they may be.

posted January 25, 2015 06:09 PM            

That aside, I can see many reasons in your chart why someone might think you are even if you're not...and also one aspect that IS infamous for that sort of thing...Scorpio Lilith:
http://www.astrologyinaction.com/lilith.htm

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Lilith in Scorpio is the devil incarnate. She exploits others sexually. She delights in knowing other peoples' deepest secrets, yet she will never admit her own. She is magnetic and sexually seductive more than any other Lilith placement. She is the succubus. She is the faithful keeper of secrets that will never confess to all her innumerable immodest acts. As a mother, she is abusive and sadistic. This position is associated with severe child abuse, flagellation and sexual abuse during early childhood. This is often a cycle, as the person with Lilith in Scorpio was also subjected to abuse in childhood. Death of children in the placement is possible. As a lover, she is manipulative, using her sexual prowess to gain the upper hand in any relationship. Sex is her best weapon. Jealousy and obsessive stalking behavior is common, making her dangerous in love. She would not even balk at murder. As a mistress, she aims to take other peoples' money and possessions. She is the prostitute.

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posted January 25, 2015 08:21 PM            

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posted January 25, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by misslani:

I wonder whether there's any indication of my condition in my chart.

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posted January 26, 2015 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:

Now if you don't mind me asking, you say you feel emotions diffrently than what is usualy described, how so? i just can't imagine not having any empathy at all, altough i can imagine justifying means by ends, wathever they may be.

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Hmmm... Not sure how I can explain it... Most of the time I'm flat, meaning I don't feel anything at all. When emotions do appear, they are either intense or don't stay present for long. I never experienced romantic love so I can't really elaborate on that, but the only people for whom I've ever felt any emotional affection at all are my siblings (all much younger than me). And I'm not sure if that's love. It's like, for most people "love" is a combination of different positive emotions they have for another person, those emotions sort of mash together into one singular feeling. With me, those emotions stay separate from each other. I feel protective towards my siblings, I enjoy their personalities, I tolerate them even when they annoy me (which I don't do for anyone else except if there's some ulterior motive). I like providing for them and making them happy. But my happiness doesn't come from their happiness. I see making them happy/smiling as an accomplishment.
Yet, I don't miss them when they're away. I might miss them if they died, but after a while I'd get bored of that feeling and I'd get annoyed for having to pretend to still feel that way because it's "expected" of me.

posted January 26, 2015 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

Btw, given that you're a Cancer moon as well I thought you might want to see this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/230402.html

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posted January 26, 2015 07:56 AM            

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posted January 26, 2015 12:12 PM            

Based on both your Western and Chinese astro-make up... you could appear sociopathic even if you technically weren't meeting the criteria. I can see where Pixie is coming from.

posted January 26, 2015 12:40 PM            

Juno/Venus with the outlet as Mars.
This disorder has issues of disconnect from others, lack of empathy/understanding/feeling for others and no understanding of how you belong to the whole.
It's an isolating disability at it core, this is what can lead to the ability/desires that creates anti-social behaviors.

Your libra AC with Venus in scorp is sitting of it, the 2 signs don't exactly blend well.
You want to be seen as libra(light airy) but your love style is scorp(intense, unforgiving) it's wrecking havoc on the way you need to be seen.

The outlet and focus of the Yod is aries Mars, a very strong mars in the house of love but in cusp of 6th.
I'll have to think about how the 6th house fits in...

One of your greatest struggles will be fighting(Mars) for your ability to feel love(Venus) and connect(Juno) to others or feel bonded to others, this will not come naturally to you.

Look at signs, aspects and house placements more deeply to get a better idea of how it plays out and potentially where you find support to help you achieve the ability to overcome the disconnect you feel.

If it is the Yod, as you grow towards your spiritual soul, your higher self the feeling of disconnect will lessen abd your ability to connect to others will grow.

posted January 26, 2015 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

But I mean... if you feel it fits - then it fits.
Does this worry you? Or upset you? You said the label bothered you. Why is that?

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It doesn't worry me. However, there's no cure for people like me. Only thing I can do is to learn how to control my urges a little better.

People fear sociopaths/psychopaths; just type the words into google and see what comes up. Every single person who has done something wrong to someone, gets accused of being a sociopath/psychopath, even though most of them probably aren't. Some believe that we should be locked in jails or mental institutions for good, even though most of us haven't done anything to deserve that. Did you know that a person with ASPD gets more years of prison sentence than the one without a label, even though they comitted the exact same crime?

posted January 26, 2015 01:05 PM            

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posted January 26, 2015 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You have an almost Unaspected Moon which should make you really sensitive. On a short glance, this does not look like the chart of ASPD, to me.

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posted January 26, 2015 01:43 PM            

Also of much significance is the afflicted MARS in self-serving Aries, square Uranus/Saturn (and Neptune, ruler of the North Node...) in the 3rd house (the house of the mind) and sitting in the 5H of self-expression, close to the 6H of service/self-perfection.

As Gabby pointed out, it's also part of a Yod with Juno and Venus - both bodies representing our ability to relate, and Mars being at the apex of that configuration obviously speaks of a challenging energy (putting oneself first at the cost of not being able to relate to others in an intimate way).

The Moon isn't afflicted, actually it has a trine to Pluto which might explain your overall "balanced" personality (as opposed to other people with ASPD who become criminals for instance), but it doesn't seem to override the other aspects.
(Your Moon rules the 9H of morality and higher learning, which might also explain the fact that you're not out there hurting people or being destructive.)

The IC, deepest part of Self, is in detached Aquarius and its ruler Uranus conjuncts cold Saturn in the 3rd (another "detached" house) and of course they both square Mars, again emphasizing what I said previously. Jupiter in tight quincunx to those two exacerbates the discrepancy between what is "morally" or "culturally" correct and your own internal workings.

Another point that might not be totally relevant but still applies - your South Node is in Virgo in the 11H house so you come from a very detached and discerning place, this makes me think of someone who's removed from their heart (5H) and from compassion or empathy (Pisces).
The square to the Sun exacerbates the focus on the self to the detriment of the soul path and/or important lessons to learn in this life time (mainly, Pisces/5H energy).

posted January 26, 2015 02:26 PM            

This is going to make your Jupiter energy hard to access until you work through other issues relating to how you are seen and your rebellious, changeable energy that's unwilling to conform or accept you don't always have all the answers, combined with Saturn.

Those 2 energies(Sat and Uranus)conjunct within themselves are like a mind£u€k! lol!
Maybe you feel its your responsibility to be rebellious and non conforming. You are the one blazing new paths for others but can't be bothered with the ppl following you. Potentially resent the ones who would be following you. You feel a need to be alone in your endeavors, ppl are second and an extra weight in your progress as you do what you need to do.

Back to the Yod....Jupiter will be the outlet and the focus. It won't be easy because it means you need to be turning to your higher self, allowing your thinking to be governed by Jupiter's energy. This is the expanding, giving, learning spirituality energy that gives without fear of getting anything back.

Most important thing is learning that the ego cannot lead you. Only your higher self, your higher power, the things that open you up to your connection to the universe are the things that will bring you happiness and bless your life.
**Very hard to do or for you to see with your aries Mars exact trine your saggy Sun...your ego is very strong and it's energy flows soooo easily and naturally.

Your Sun squares Juno-0 degree (ego vs. uniting with others)
Your Mars squares Neptune-3.5 degree (passion, drive for self vs. the higher self, the world beyond the physical, the spiritual world)

To me, 2 yods both making it hard to feel your connection to ppl and the universe means inside yourself you feel very disconnected in every way, I'd be p*ssed if I felt like that. I'd possibly resent ppl and want to either shut them out or worse want them gone all together. Lol
It could look like they have something that you don't, like they were given something special and you weren't and you don't know why.
Somewhere deep inside you could feel slighted.
It's like God just dropped you on your @ss without any help or support system.
Your struggled will be to realize your not alone, to allow yourself to be part of the whole. Nobody has been given more than you, your loved, wanted and needed just as much as every soul on earth is, then learning not take the fear of being alone out on the people around you by refusing to care about them or conform to the life that their structure provides.

In my opinion the biggest challenge would be to realize you have not been dropped on your @ss without a support system, you are an equally valuable energy that we all are, your wanted, needed and loved. Seeing how you fit in, why your needed and important...just allowing yourself to be open to others is essential.

posted January 26, 2015 02:41 PM            

This is not to go against anything you said. I need to study your points!

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posted January 26, 2015 05:02 PM            

Where is Nessus? Sado?

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posted January 27, 2015 07:12 AM            

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I have no desire to be isolated from the rest of the world because of my mental disorder and I don't want to be shunned upon.

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I don't think it's helpful to think of yourself as "suffering from an incurable illness". We're all stuffed up in our own ways. You have your own challenges and problems, which I'm sure you'll overcome in time. There's also an upside to not being distracted by emotion. People with ASPD, as well as people with Aspergers often have a higher IQ than average and perform really well academically (which is reinforced by your Sagittarius Sun/Mercury conj in close aspect to Jupiter). Whatever career path you follow, you'll have the ability to excel and make positive contributions to the world around you - if you so choose.

There's no need or requirement that you inform people like acquaintances, friends, co-workers or employers about your diagnosis. I think it's perfectly ok for you to keep this private if you are worried that the stigma attached to the disorder will basically kill your goals and dreams in life. I don't see this as a "disability" that others would need to be informed of. You should talk about it to people close to you, but there's no need to bring it up with others.

posted January 27, 2015 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I don't think it's helpful to think of yourself as "suffering from an incurable illness". We're all stuffed up in our own ways. You have your own challenges and problems, which I'm sure you'll overcome in time. There's also an upside to not being distracted by emotion. People with ASPD, as well as people with Aspergers often have a higher IQ than average and perform really well academically (which is reinforced by your Sagittarius Sun/Mercury conj in close aspect to Jupiter). Whatever career path you follow, you'll have the ability to excel and make positive contributions to the world around you - if you so choose.

There's no need or requirement that you inform people like acquaintances, friends, co-workers or employers about your diagnosis. I think it's perfectly ok for you to keep this private if you are worried that the stigma attached to the disorder will basically kill your goals and dreams in life. I don't see this as a "disability" that others would need to be informed of. You should talk about it to people close to you, but there's no need to bring it up with others.

There are many high functioning people out there with Cluster B disorders. Lacking the ability to empathise with others does not, by itself - make you dangerous or sadistic or a future serial murderer.
Empathy is not the only thing that stands between a so-called "normal" life and a life of criminality. There is also morality. You can assess things as morally right or morally wrong. You can respect that certain things are legal and others illegal. Basically you can have a code to live by - completely independent of emotion.

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posted January 31, 2015 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You have the Sun/Moon combust. There could be a potent asteroid there.

Where is Nessus? Sado?

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