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next to neptune
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posted January 29, 2015 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ann7:
No one should be belittling anyone here. No desire to to be subjected to drama - however I am all for exchanging thoughts in a respectful manner.

Agree Well, sorry. I thought you was writing that cancer moons are MORE prone to depression than pisces moon.. I was just wondering about that.

But I only knew 1 cancer moon in my life, but tons of pisces moon. My experience with pisces moon is that we can very easily get depressed, but just as easily we can laugh it of. It is a feeling that all pisces moon probably get from time to time, but from my experience it is not something that sticks around for long (we just need our personal space)

But for cancer moons... I only knew 1 and he was a scorpio sun*, but he had a very philosophical approach to it. When he had the depressive thoughts, he was well aware that it was just a state of mind, that would pass away. But he really thought about it and what it meant a lot... but it was not like he was truly depressed. It was like he was mastering the feeling, whatever it was... very interesting indeed, I hope I will meet some more cancer moons someday Can you explain more about how they were depressed?

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posted January 29, 2015 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Barbie, as a mod please execute better judgement. Ami was rude to nexttoneptune, and it wasn't fair for her to be accused of something that isnt' true. Ami has repeatedly told people who hold a different viewpoint that "oh they are just baiting me," so I am not going to sit her and let her treat nexttoneptune like that.

No, I typically ignore Ami's threads because we don't get along, so why bother. If it wasn't for nexttoneptune's situation, I would have never posted. Go look at Ami's last 10 threads- did I post in them? No.

I never talk about either of you, because to be honest, neither one of you are worth my time. You can keep projecting on me if it makes you feel better, but by exaggerating and falsifying the truth with your statements, you only prove my point further.

If standing up for another member is considered to be an "attack," then I will gladly keep doing it. There is no proof of me attacking people constantly, so that argument holds no water.

If Ami has an issue with me, then for once she can directly respond to me instead of this quoting someone else crap.


Couldn't agree more! And I am glad that you stood up, cause I have had the same feeling (about Amis posts). I thinks it's 100% okay to speak up, if we, as astrologers, spot someone preaching about something astrology related, without being correct.
And I know that astrology can be analysed in a lot of different ways, and maybe Ami is right about most of the things she writes in here, but sometimes I just think it is important to think twice before posting such a big judgement. It could have deep consequences and impact on a person if they read that and thought too much about it...

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posted January 29, 2015 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^That's supposed to be a dislike not a like.
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Barbie, as a mod please execute better judgement. Ami was rude to nexttoneptune, and it wasn't fair for her to be accused of something that isnt' true. Ami has repeatedly told people who hold a different viewpoint that "oh they are just baiting me," so I am not going to sit her and let her treat nexttoneptune like that.

No, I typically ignore Ami's threads because we don't get along, so why bother. If it wasn't for nexttoneptune's situation, I would have never posted. Go look at Ami's last 10 threads- did I post in them? No.

I never talk about either of you, because to be honest, neither one of you are worth my time. You can keep projecting on me if it makes you feel better, but by exaggerating and falsifying the truth with your statements, you only prove my point further.

If standing up for another member is considered to be an "attack," then I will gladly keep doing it. There is no proof of me attacking people constantly, so that argument holds no water.

If Ami has an issue with me, then for once she can directly respond to me instead of this quoting someone else crap.


As a 26 year old woman, go find something better to do than to belittle and attack people on the Internet. Go find happiness. Let go of petty, insignificant drama. Be a bigger person. Your behavior shows times after time again that clearly you care. Let it go!

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posted January 29, 2015 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
^That's supposed to be a dislike not a like. As a 26 year old woman, go find something better to do than to belittle and attack people on the Internet. Go find happiness. Let go of petty, insignificant drama. Be a bigger person. Your behavior shows times after time again that clearly you care. Let it go!

It has nothing to do with letting go of petty or insignificant drama. Actually, you'r the only one who are making a big deal of this right now.

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posted January 29, 2015 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next To Neptune

I will tell you why I write as I do. This society is so politically correct that no one will call things as they are.

When I was studying Astrology, there were few people who would come out with a direct and easy explanation of things.

I told myself that if I ever became an Astrologer, I would say things directly and simply.

I would be honest, the very best I could, too, which is not easy.

It is very easy to say things a million ways so no one knows what you are talking about and you cover all bases.

I will ALWAYS be honest. That is my commitment and I am both loved and not liked due to that.

I am a natural teacher. I like to break hard things down to easy pieces.

Having said that, I am not for everyone and don't try to be.


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posted January 29, 2015 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Next To Neptune

I will tell you why I write as I do. This society is so politically correct that no one will call things as they are.

When I was studying Astrology, there were few people who would come out with a direct and easy explanation of things.

I told myself that if I ever became an Astrologer, I would say things directly and simply.

I would be honest, the very best I could, too, which is not easy.

It is very easy to say things a million ways so no one knows what you are talking about and you cover all bases.

I will ALWAYS be honest. That is my commitment and I am both loved and not liked due to that.

I am a natural teacher. I like to break hard things down to easy pieces.

Having said that, I am not for everyone and don't try to be.


But judging people because they have certain aspect as ex: "These people were severed bullied". "These people has a depression", is kind of serious topics. People who read this, they probably think about it alot.
And to write something so hard about bullying and depression, is just a little bit too judgemental for my taste. But I don't want to comment more to this.
But I always take very simple astrological explanations like this with a grain of salt, I don't take it too seriously or deep. I just think it lacks a lot of depth and other sides to it.

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posted January 29, 2015 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune

My teachers are the charts. I have done so many, many charts in which Chiron conj the ASC is bullying. The degrees matter a great deal, too, in terms of the severity of the bullying.

Hence, I come to conclusions from doing hundreds and hundreds of charts.

Also, people with self reports may be in denial.

If I have seen the aspect play out dozens and dozens of times and one person tells me it doesn't, I cannot listen to that person because the person may be in denial.

My form of astrology is doing hundreds and hundreds of charts and picking brains and trying to find patterns.

Then, I form conclusions such as Chiron and bullying.

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posted January 29, 2015 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Couldn't agree more! And I am glad that you stood up, cause I have had the same feeling (about Amis posts). I thinks it's 100% okay to speak up, if we, as astrologers, spot someone preaching about something astrology related, without being correct.
And I know that astrology can be analysed in a lot of different ways, and maybe Ami is right about most of the things she writes in here, but sometimes I just think it is important to think twice before posting such a big judgement. It could have deep consequences and impact on a person if they read that and thought too much about it...

I 100% agree and also your recent commentary as well, and you are very welcome. Never be afraid to speak your mind, even if people want to pin bs on you. I'm actually only 25 though, lol. See you around.

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posted January 29, 2015 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I do have a few of these aspects (Pisces Moon, Chiron conj. ASC, Chiron in the 12th, Chiron conj. NN), I think the single worst might be hard Saturn aspects. Those make for one to be very hard on themselves and never reach satisfaction. It is even worse with sensitive aspects like Pisces Moon or Chiron conjuncting the ascendant, as it is likely the individual will feel immense pain from their already hard Saturn aspects. I'm only speaking for myself so I'm only guessing all of this however, but it would appear to make sense to me.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In my opinion and experience, Next to Neptune baits people. He/she has baited me quite a bit if you check my threads.

I find the best thing to do in such cases is to ignore, Ann!


... Are you serious?

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
As usual you look for ANY opportunity you can to go after Ami or myself.

Is your life really that sad and depressing that in order to feel better about yourself, you attack and belittle people, Bella?

You are NOT the webmaster here. Stop attacking people. If you have an issue you should be contacting Randall. What Ami said didn't involve you. Quit sticking your nose where it doesn't belong and stirring up more drama.


... Are you freaking smoking serious??

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Neptune

My teachers are the charts. I have done so many, many charts in which Chiron conj the ASC is bullying. The degrees matter a great deal, too.

Hence, I come to conclusions from doing hundreds and hundreds of charts.

Also, people with self reports may be in denial.

If I have seen the aspect play out dozens and dozens of times and one person tells me it doesn't, I cannot listen to that person because the person may be in denial.

My form of astrology is doing hundreds and hundreds of charts and picking brains and trying to find patterns.

Then, I form conclusions such as Chiron and bullying.


But what if you end up being inaccurate about something for X or Y reason? Wouldn't it be counter-productive to ignore somebody trying to contradict you about it? And if several people have Chiron but weren't bullied, why shun aside the possibility that bullying is not caused by just Chiron but might be influenced by it depending on other aspects?
Also, about that, I'd like to point out something about Moon square Mars. I have that, and you have said that natives with this aspect have a conscious or not hatred of women, you even listed it in your "abuser aspects" article. I wouldn't say my word is the best since I generally get along with nobody, but I certainly don't hate women in particular. I'm not denying anything. BUT it is true that my behavior with women is different than with men. With women, I feel much more sensitive to their criticism, and I may be more uncomfortable with them than with men too. Not that I'm anywhere close to comfortable with men either, but yeah. But calling it "hatred" may be a step too far. I am not scared to hit a woman who hits me either, although I'd much rather hit a guy obviously.

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posted January 29, 2015 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ann7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes it's easy to mis-interpit what someone means or how they are trying to come across when we are receiving it in written form.

All of our personal responses are based on opinions made from observations. Sometimes they hit home, sometimes they miss the mark. The thing about astrology is that there are numerous patterns. Sometimes I read a thread here and think it's bang on, other times I won't agree with or see where the person is going with their assumption but I always try to stay open to learning because of said numerous patterns.

Ami Anne, I appreciate your posts. Next To Neptune, I appreciate your kind words and your thoughts on the subject.

This is my very longwinded way of telling everyone to chill out, it's all good.

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posted January 29, 2015 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tux

I do Astrology the way *I* would like it done for me.

My articles are what I would like to read if I were learning.

To me, the charts can show you your blueprint. It can show you that this was what you came into life with and is not your fault.

Hence, they free people.

Also, if 99 people with Chiron conj the ASC were bullied and one says she was not, I take that person to be in denial.

Many people are in denial. That is a reality lol

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posted January 29, 2015 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Tux

I do Astrology the way *I* would like it done for me.

My articles are what I would like to read if I were learning.

To me, the charts can show you your blueprint. It can show you that this was what you came into life with and is not your fault.

Hence, they free people.

Also, if 99 people with Chiron conj the ASC were bullied and one says she was not, I take that person to be in denial.

Many people are in denial. That is a reality lol


99 people... that came to you.

Many people are in denial, but that doesn't mean anybody who doesn't follow what you have established from experience is a liar.

I do think your articles aren't bad. Quick, simple, interesting, easy to get, although your bigger articles tend to seriously lack some structure or lose track of the subject. But many people who are new to astrology read them, and generalizing complex aspects with one sentence may lead to some misinformation. I'm not going to claim your articles are inaccurate either, but maybe not everything you say is stuff everybody would agree with - which isn't a very good thing if you're effectively seeing yourself as a teacher.

I mean, your summary of Chiron conj. ASC is "that person got bullied, especially if the orb is tight". Somebody with that aspect disagrees. Should you ignore it for reasons, or should you study that case to see how you might have been inaccurate or how it may work for that person?

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posted January 29, 2015 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow is it hot in here or is there a mercury retrograde going on?

Language languaging.

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posted January 29, 2015 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take what you like and leave the rest, my Friends.

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posted January 29, 2015 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Take what you like and leave the rest, my Friends.


Only giving you responses so you may make your articles better for the people who read them in the first place. It's fine if you don't want to though, but then why share them if they're not targeting other people?

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posted January 29, 2015 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sailor Gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find Kronos in 12H is rather indicative. In my own experience, I find dominant Lunar energy to be primarily depressive and sloth-like, as well as a dominant Persephone (asteroids and h59).

EDIT! Then there's Apollonas(Sun) in harder aspects to Chiron, but a little more often it's confidence that's the problem.
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posted January 30, 2015 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the 4th and 8th house can be pretty depressing, as well as the 12th.

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posted January 30, 2015 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Southern Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's with the fighting in some threads lately?

Anyway, how would a person be like if they had Moon in pisces (8th), but but well aspected? For example, forming a grand trine with Pluto, and Jupiter

Or Jupiter placed in the 12th, but opposed to Saturn? I've read that Jupiter is at home in the 12th, but then again Saturn contracts and brings negative experiences to aspects. Quite a handful of us young'uns coming up have the Jupiter opp Saturn aspect.

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posted January 30, 2015 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Southern

Your Moon sounds very good.

With Jupiter, you may struggle with wanting to live big and confidently and then pull back with self doubt.

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posted January 30, 2015 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
I think the 4th and 8th house can be pretty depressing, as well as the 12th.

Good Point, N!

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posted January 30, 2015 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been diagnosed with depression few years ago. I also suffer from panic attacks (not very frequent anymore, I learned how to control them). My depression comes and goes, I'm trying to figure out the pattern.

Unfortunately, none of the 2 articles mention any placement/aspect, that are in my chart. As some people mentioned though, other placements in 12th house may atribute to such suffering, especially Sun in 12th or 12th House in Leo (I've both)

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posted January 30, 2015 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put up your chart, L

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posted January 30, 2015 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please use Astro.com. Put in the asteroid Deprez, too. Use aspect lines to Chiron and the NN if you can, as well.

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posted January 30, 2015 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to explain a little bit more about how I do Astrology and why.

I was an abused child. Due to the nature of abuse, life is lies.

The parent cannot SAY they are abusing you. Hence, your life becomes one of trying to shift and swim through the lies.

The ONLY way to heal is to force yourself to see truth from lies.

Astrology is one way to face yourself head on.

To me, my "gift" to the world, if you want to say that, is to be honest.

I will not fudge. I don't care if I am hated. I don't care if I am criticized.

If people come to me, they will get the truth.

Now, I screen all clients. If someone does not want to face himself, I will not accept the chart.

If I get the sense the person is going to fight with me, I will not accept the chart.

This is my passion and not my living.

Hence, I am free from financial constraints.

Truth is love. Truth is freedom. There is no quality of life without truth.

Truth is rare and it takes lots of courage.

This is an example. Moon square Mars in a man's chart is dislike of women.

If a man wants to argue with me that it is not, I will not accept him as a client.

This goes for other aspects in the chart, as well.

If a person wants to DISCUSS it, that is fine, but if they want to ARGUE, they can find another Astrologer.

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posted January 30, 2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ann7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne what are your thoughts on venus square mars in the natal?

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