Can you find Narcissism in the natal chart?

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goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 09:06 PM How do you find narcissism in the natal chart? Can it be cured? IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 09:42 PM c'mon people IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 09:50 PM Why do you ask? I think you can find everything in the charts but this trait would be complex. It would not be an easy A-B-C thing imo ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Dreaminess Knowflake Posts: 303 From: norway Registered: Aug 2014	posted January 31, 2015 09:51 PM Strong aries influence or lots of or hard mars aspects to the other personal planets or asc or alot of 1st house planets esp personal ones. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 09:52 PM I will give a few ideas. The person would be VERY self centered, by definition. I would think of the Merc/Sun combust off the bat. Empathy would be low. I would think of a cold moon like Libra. Those are a few ideas. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 09:54 PM This person definitely has aries vs libra going on IP: Logged
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5957 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010	posted January 31, 2015 09:54 PM If you're impatient...Leo Venus in 1H. Or is that too obvious? Naturally, other aspects would have a role to play. I'd think it could be overcome by dealing with the insecurity that is the foundation of it, though of course in a world determined to keep people insecure for their own agendas that's easier said than done. Astrology is more how the winds blow (but given how many take the path of least resistance then many will still blow in that direction) rather than a straightjacket and then there's astrological progression as well. Why is narcissism so popular on LL anyway? IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 09:56 PM I think this topic is popular because a lot of us are introverts trapped in an extroverted world and we're trying to figure out those around us. or it could just be me IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 09:57 PM You have to think of WHAT is a Narcissist? 1. Low to no empathy--hence a cold moon 2. Very self centered--to me this is the Combust but could be other things. So, you have to define what it is and then go onto the the traits from an astrological perspective. 3. Low water may be a factor because water is empathy etc ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:01 PM narcissism is a fascinating subject to me because it deals the with the person not having enough self-love to sustain themselves. The Venus in Pisces in me wants to help them love themselves so badly IP: Logged
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5957 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:01 PM Ah. Extroversion isn't the same as narcissism, and a narcissist can be an introvert (I've known one, though she wasn't always an introvert). IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:02 PM I should do an article on it. I am certainly not one to know all there is to know but I could talk about some things. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:03 PM @pixiejane whaaaaaa??? IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:04 PM 1. Low to no empathy--hence a cold moon 3. Low water may be a factor because water is empathy etc This is it! woww that's crazy IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:06 PM There is no water in their chart! I recently made a post about this too guys http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/230476.html IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:07 PM So the Libra moon is a "cold" moon? IP: Logged
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5957 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:11 PM quote: Originally posted by goatcat: @pixiejane whaaaaaa??? Extroverts according to the Myers�Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) which I believe many in LL are into: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indi cator#Attitudes:_extraversion.2Fintroversion_.28E.2FI.29 More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion Both introverts and extroverts have healthy and unhealthy manifestations. Now contrast with the traits of a narcissist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Traits_and_signs Plenty of extroverts can be empathic (they love people and want to be part of their lives), don't feel entitled (some extroverts can be very giving and not in a "admire me" sort of way), don't always claim to be experts or always right (some even admit to being uninformed and joke about it), and aren't so hypersensitive (which would discourage their being an extrovert if they were--or to become a narcissist). Nor are they automatically abusive (just as introverts aren't automatically depressed or abused). In the United States there's a tendency to look down on introverts because it's not supposed to be part of our character, we're supposed to be Doers, action oriented and achieving goals, not people who think too much alone (as there's no money or visible achievement in that). Because of that some people feel as if they have to be more extroverted than they are or to label introverts as having something wrong with them (which might inspire introverts to return the favor) and if they can sell them a pill or book in the process then so much the better. But not everyone buys into that. IP: Logged
SDragon Moderator Posts: 366 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Sep 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:14 PM Narcissism is a psychological issue I believe and shouldn't be confused with planets or signs that exhibit the same qualities of ego. Every sign and planet can represent strong egos as they take pride in their own special traits, pisces as compassion, aquarius as detachment and humanitarian, scorpio as sexy and penetrating, etc. Narcissism is more of an outgrowth of immaturity, an inability to see reality as it truly is, always with a grandiose self-image - one that becomes a psychological filter through which true reality is warped and altered. That's why narcissistic people only really get along with others that can play their part or supply the fix - anyone else that challenges their reality will be dealt with sharply and usually cut off with rationalizations that they're the ones with real issues. If narcissism is becoming rampant in today's fast paced, social media culture, it's because we are really creating a society that distorts reality and would rather not deal with it. Kind of why entertainment in movies, sports, celebrities, selfies, and a distortion of social, economic, cultural and gender confusion seems to have become the norm. I'll stop there, but going back to whether it can be seen in the chart, I don't believe so, all signs and planets can be immature. IP: Logged
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 751 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011	posted January 31, 2015 10:16 PM libra moon cold? that has not been my experience. aquarius sun or moon is very cold. IP: Logged
goatcat Knowflake Posts: 1445 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted January 31, 2015 10:22 PM good point SDragon IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:30 PM quote: Originally posted by awakemer: libra moon cold? that has not been my experience. aquarius sun or moon is very cold. YES, they are too lol ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
deepseablues Knowflake Posts: 527 From: the ocean floor Registered: Jan 2014	posted January 31, 2015 10:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I will give a few ideas. The person would be VERY self centered, by definition. I would think of the Merc/Sun combust off the bat. Empathy would be low. I would think of a cold moon like Libra. Those are a few ideas. Libra is considered a cold moon, Ami? Can you explain further?? EDIT: Haha didn't read through whole thread first and realize 2 other people asked same thing. But still curious why Libra is a cold moon? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:41 PM Libra is a very cold moon imo. WHY? It is in the Fall, for one thing. A planet in the Fall simply does not work well. The Moon is one's deepest heart and the heart/emotions will not function well in Libra. I know I will get flak for saying this, Save it. I will ignore Also, on a practical level. Libra is very indecisive. This makes for a Moon which is both cold and indecisive. This does not work well for the heart, which is the most sensitive place for any person imo. The Moon is in the Domicile in Cancer. It is a warm, sensitive and loving Moon. That is just how it is. If one compares the Libra Moon to the Cancer Moon, one will find one's answers, I think. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 59871 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted January 31, 2015 10:47 PM The other thing is that Libra is an Air Moon which can think rather than feel. The Moon likes water which feels. I have, personally, found that Libra Moons can be very disloyal whereas a Cancer Moon would fight for you until the end. To me, I would not get really close to a Libra Moon, for the above reasons. When I have, I have paid the price. I am a Cancer Moon. This is my opinion and my experience. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Dreaminess Knowflake Posts: 303 From: norway Registered: Aug 2014	posted January 31, 2015 10:52 PM I don`t find libra moons to be cold because they care for other people, they care actually too much of what other people think of them and also likes to keep the peace and that is why they are known to be "people pleasers" but they aren`t as emotional nor deep nor "gets" what another feels by feeling what another feels as moon in cancer does but they do care for others. IP: Logged

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