posted February 05, 2015 06:25 AM            

This is fascinating, for me this square is aspecting Mercury (trPluto opposite natal Mercury by 2 degrees, trUranus square natal Mercury by 1 degree). Your analysis on how this impacts communication is spot on!

What is your view on the 'less challenging' aspects, i.e.
trPluto trines my natal Moon (0 degrees), and sextiles my natal Pluto (by 2 degrees)
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trUranus semi-sextiles my natal Moon (0 degrees) and sextiles my Venus/ AC conjunction by 3 degrees

posted February 05, 2015 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Here it is:

[b]Uranus & Pluto in personal growth
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/uranus-pluto-in-personal-growth/

Give me some feedback. So far I've only included point/planets through Mars. Let me know if you are interested in more.

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Really great article.
I like especially that you pointed out that Pluto tends to pull us inwards, while Uranus is radiating out. I definitely noticed that as well.

For the last years Pluto had done his stroll over my personal planets, starting with mars (5 Sag), ASC (7Sag), Neptune-NN (10 Sag), Sun-Mercury (25-26 Sag) and recently Venus (6 Cap).

During these years of course I also enjoyed Tr Uranus on my Moon (17 Aquarius) - though this one has been pretty long ago.

When Tr Uranus was EXACT on my IC on 4.58 Aries, I had a big row with my folks, but ultimately it led into a total change in my life; the external transformation and changed eating pattern is really just some visible sign of that development.

Tr Uranus was then also squaring my Venus on 6 Cap of course.

To be honest though I appreciate the transits of Uranus and Pluto more than those of Neptune and Saturn for some weird reason.

Tr Pluto is also conjunct my pr ASC at the moment or was so at least.

As for declinations, Tr Pluto on 20°33 S seems to affect my

Mars 21°13 S
Neptune 20°26 S
ASC 21°26 S

posted February 05, 2015 10:35 AM            

SaturnFan,

About Pluto trine your Moon, this in earth signs is generally more intense than say in air. But it is favorable and helps to deepen our feelings of connection to something/someone or to life in general. Everyone of us now and then needs a period like this that is not necessarily disturbing to the ordinary structures and routines of our lives, but which allows us to feel and be internally invested at a deeper level.

However, the periods in which Uranus is also making that transit semi-sextile to your Moon will be when there are feelings or events that jostle this process out of a smooth groove. In my experience the semi-sextile is not actually a 'mini sextile', but functions instead like a quincunx. Even so, this should e a good period for you and with your Moon in Taurus you are probably pretty easy going and stable anyway, so now worries.

posted February 05, 2015 10:46 AM            

With all that traffic you've been getting from Pluto for decades you could be writing some good material on Pluto transits for sure!

I had a similar experience as you with my folks and it worked out fine in the end. Lessons of power balance always have to be worked out in a palpable way and when it comes time they just cannot be ignored.

I'd say you aren't really getting the full effect of Pluto's transit parallel your Mars which will begin later this year when Pluto is within around 1/2 degree. Certainly the orb for that should be no more than 3/4* (0*45' ).

But I'm curious what you've experienced with the Pluto transit parallel your Neptune these last couple years. That one is very much active and will continue pretty much through 2015. When I experienced Pluto's conjunction to my Neptune in the 90s, it was a time of spiritual awakening and healing. I parted from my practical health concerns and reading of relatively mainstream approaches involving psychological therapies, etc, and began digging into the metaphysical.

Just curious what you've been experiencing with it the last couple years.

posted February 05, 2015 01:56 PM            

"I had a similar experience as you with my folks and it worked out fine in the end."
Yes, it did so, too, for me. Conflicts that have been festering for years (mainly about my eating behaviour), really resulted in a big clash, including my mom refusing to talk to me for a day or two.

While there always have been some explosive moments about that over years, THIS was different.
Instead of trying to smoothe it all out, I withdrew, and simply spoken decided to take responsibility for my life.
I knew they were right, and I knew they were just being worried, but I also knew that I couldn`t pull that one off FOR anyone else, so I told them all of that, but that ultimately it was my life, my responsibility, my decision. And if they could not accept that, I would need to think of different living situations. While I am not living with them I practically live directly next to them, door to door.
I was very ready to move again, but not because I wanted to evade the unpleasant situation, but I simply knew that that I couldn`t continue this path. I was slowly committing suicide (basically eating myself to death - at that time I was weighing over 150 Kilos, so I am not exaggerating here), and I felt this was a decision about life or death for me. And I decided to start living, which entails more than just losing weight of course.

I enrolled with the Weight Watchers 2 or 3 days later (after having told my parents that I agreed with them, but that on the other hand it was not their business, my life is MY responsibility, not theirs), and well I am honest I never expected to lose really all that much weight. I was hopeing for maybe 15 kilos, but even that would have been a step into the right direction.

That was in november 2012, and by now I have lost over 55 kilos (still some work to do of course) and it really amazed me, once I made that decision, how smoothly it all went.

I am proud of myself now, but I also know that I should never have let it come that far. I was really mistreating the only person I HAVE to live with for all my life, and I was not respecting myself at all, and THAT was most of the problem, that needed fixing.

Of course it is a process, but I do believe that Pluto and Uranus were quite helpful.
This weight-loss thing was just the latest and most visible stage of the process, but of course it started much much sooner.
Possibly actually with Tr Pluto on my Sun, though back then the process was completely internal.

What was also a big step was the year when pr Sun was entering Aquarius and squaring my Uranus exactly, while Tr Uranus was being square my Sun-MErcury-conjunction in Sag (2009). First trip on my own to London, which was not intended that way, but it once and for all showed me that I can pull it off, independently. Even if I do NOT have the ultimate control over everything, the worst might not happen, or if things get messed up I am very capable of solving problems!

Of course I might be facing rather big challenges next year again with Tr Pluto opposing my Saturn and Tr Saturn starting its way over my personal planets.
(I managed with the square to my Moon indefinitely better than with the opposition and conjunction 7 and 14 years before though,w hich gives me hope that I am capable of learning and evolving. lol)

" when Pluto is within around 1/2 degree."
Yes, that makes sense.
BTW is there a way to figure out in which direction a planet in the declination moves? For example Pluto on 20°33 S, is it moving upwards towards 21°, 22° or downwards towards the 00° again. And how can I know that just from looking at the table?

"When I experienced Pluto's conjunction to my Neptune in the 90s, it was a time of spiritual awakening and healing."

My spiritual awakening certainly began in 1990, when sa Neptune was conjunct my Sun and MErcury, though it also brought a lot of dreaming, delusions and so on. With Neptune it is kinda difficult to know spiritual truth from romantic delusion apart.

The complete breakdown came 2 years later with
Tr Neptune and Tr Uranus opposing n Saturn, and Tr Saturn conjunct n Moon.
Maybe I was also too young to cope with these. I don`t know. It really sucked though.

My Neptune conjuncts NN by just a few minutes of arc, so Tr Pluto was being transiting both (1999/ 2000).

At that time Tr Uranus was conjunct n Moon, too
Tr Jupiter opposite Uranus, Tr Saturn square Moon.
Tr SN conjunct Moon and some other stuff.

It was after the death of my grandfather, which despite being very very sad, was also liberating in a way. Our family was taking care of him after a stroke one and a half year before, and it DID take its toll on especially my mom, and subsequently on the whole family.
I think he suffered the stroke when my Tr Pluto was conjunct my ASC exactly.
(Creepily my grandmother, my last remaining grandparent, died 2 years ago, when Tr Pluto was conjunct my pr ASC)

Anyway, the timeperiod then felt like digging myself out from having been buried alive, and a slow slow VERY slow process on rediscovering my spirituality, my faith (but it would take many more years), rediscovering even what it was that I really loved and accepting that (which in my case is musical/ theatre) and realizing that it`s okay to have fun with completely unrealistic things now and then.

But the year after that would be even more interesting in that regard, as I stumbled across an internet forum, I started participating in for some years, thef irst of that kind, took up astrology again, revived my musical-visits, took up my writing again (though it had changed, when before i was writing mostly poetry, it now became more storystuff), and for some years I would be writing a lot of vampire-story-stuff, which, I guess, should tell me something about my psychological state. And that was BEFORE all that vampire flood hit us. lol

Definitely Pluto (well Pluto is on my MC, and for asteroid lovers, TRANSYLVANIA is conjunct my Pluto and MC; right on the midpoint and exactly sextile ASC). lol

posted February 05, 2015 02:10 PM            

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And Mars will pass over that spot 4S50 later tomorrow (Feb 5th, 6th), bringing some zip.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Here it is:

[b]Uranus & Pluto in personal growth
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/uranus-pluto-in-personal-growth/

Give me some feedback. So far I've only included point/planets through Mars. Let me know if you are interested in more.

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posted February 05, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Here it is:

[b]Uranus & Pluto in personal growth
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/uranus-pluto-in-personal-growth/

Give me some feedback. So far I've only included point/planets through Mars. Let me know if you are interested in more.

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This thread is excellent! Thank you for this.

Currently both tPluto and tUranus are acting on my Venus/Mars conjunction in Aries, 4H. tPluto squares it exactly and tUranus conjuncts exactly that conjunction along with tSNode. I just had Saturn return too...

posted February 05, 2015 04:35 PM            

Glad to hear how you overcame those challenges and learned that self-love IS empowerment!

About the direction of a planet's movement in declinatinon:
Pluto's plane of orbit is not parallel with the Sun's (ecliptic), so it lags behind about a sign or so. It is going further south as it moves through Capricorn and will continue moving to 21, 22 degrees and will hit 23 degrees about the time it enters Aquarius.

I recommend the freeware ASTROLOG.
http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm

With this program you can go up to the 'Edit' menu and click on 'Enter command line.' When the text box pops up you enter (without quotes) "/sr." This will cause declinations to display for the planets. If I want to see what Pluto is going, I just bump it forward one month and see if it moves further south or back up towards the equator. You can do the same for other planets, but with shorter intervals to check (days) the faster the planet moves.

posted February 05, 2015 04:45 PM            

I'd first interpret your situation by looking at Uranus since it is the one making the transit conjunct your Venus-Mars. Change is the order of the day until this transit is over. That doesn't necessarily mean dump people and throw away relationships. It does suggest that you may have to come out of this with very clear boundaries and limits as to how much upset and unpredictable behavior you are willing to tolerate from your relationships.

Secondly, Uranus in this transit suggests that there is some inspiration and creativity to ignite. Personally, if it were me, I'd do my best to give my primary attention to that, and if my creativity were really just dead or slumbering, get myself exposed to some real art, spontaneity, creativity and let some of that rub off on me.

Pluto is lasting longer. I don't know how far along this transit is for you since you didn't mention your Venus & Mars positions. But once Uranus' 'awakening' job is done, you'll be left with the purging by Pluto that you may have left to do. Pluto is about boundaries very often. Ask yourself if you are letting others violate those boundaries and how much control you can take to mimimize the instability.

With the cardinal signs involved its all about taking initiative, especially with your Venus-Mars in Aries. Don't react -- be proactive and set the agenda. Make sure that others are following your lead at least as much as you are following theirs.

Physically you may benefit from supplements and herbs that smoothe out your energy and supply added nutrition to the adrenals (Mars). B-vitamin complex, minerals (Cal-Mag-Zinc, etc). You may also benefit from herbs categorized in TCM as yang tonics, herbs that bolster strength at the kidney/root/structure level.

posted February 06, 2015 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
YellowGerbera,

I'd first interpret your situation by looking at Uranus since it is the one making the transit conjunct your Venus-Mars. [b]Change is the order of the day until this transit is over. That doesn't necessarily mean dump people and throw away relationships. It does suggest that you may have to come out of this with very clear boundaries and limits as to how much upset and unpredictable behavior you are willing to tolerate from your relationships.

Secondly, Uranus in this transit suggests that there is some inspiration and creativity to ignite. Personally, if it were me, I'd do my best to give my primary attention to that, and if my creativity were really just dead or slumbering, get myself exposed to some real art, spontaneity, creativity and let some of that rub off on me.

Pluto is lasting longer. I don't know how far along this transit is for you since you didn't mention your Venus & Mars positions. But once Uranus' 'awakening' job is done, you'll be left with the purging by Pluto that you may have left to do. Pluto is about boundaries very often. Ask yourself if you are letting others violate those boundaries and how much control you can take to mimimize the instability.

With the cardinal signs involved its all about taking initiative, especially with your Venus-Mars in Aries. Don't react -- be proactive and set the agenda. Make sure that others are following your lead at least as much as you are following theirs.

Physically you may benefit from supplements and herbs that smoothe out your energy and supply added nutrition to the adrenals (Mars). B-vitamin complex, minerals (Cal-Mag-Zinc, etc). You may also benefit from herbs categorized in TCM as yang tonics, herbs that bolster strength at the kidney/root/structure level.

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Kannon, thank you very much for your reading!

Sorry I didn't include my placements. Here they are:

Venus - 14Ari01
Mars - 12Ari42

tPluto is at the end of 1H for me right now - in 4 degrees, it will enter my 2H.

I also just noticed tSaturn is squaring my Pisces stellium (sun/moon/mercury) in 3H.. Yikes O.o...

As for the Changes you mentioned - I think this is very true for me at the moment. It's strange because I am able to to tolerate things I wasn't before, and vice versa. I am definitely defining my boundaries, likes and dislikes. I am also not afraid to speak out about this either. It feels liberating actually! I think I am becoming more self-conscious about who I really am.

I have yet to really understand what tPluto is doing to me.. Perhaps this is because my nPluto trines my pisces stellium, I'm used to the pluto influence. I do feel I am more emotionally intense tho. Creativity... I can only utilize this in my school work I guess. I have a paper due soon so hopefully I can be creative with it?? I'll think about what you suggested on this...

Funny you mention kidney functions! I have chronic nephritis since I was 6 years old. It's incurable but fairly asymptomatic so I am able to live normally.. Hopefully it will never go bad! Thank you for the tips on nutrition!

posted February 06, 2015 04:54 PM            

You'll probably notice a real drop off in that Uranus transit by June. But it depends on exactly where your Venus is in declination. Sometimes a transit seems to last beyond the normally accepted orb of influence because it is still aligned in declination.

However, Pluto will still be at 14-15 Capricorn and Rx in June, so it will be tightening up its square to both Venus & Mars. That may be the point at which some issues start to clarify, even if in an intense way. Pluto will hit the square midpoint of your Venus-Mars conjunction in August-September, so look for things to reach a point of real clarity then. Saying "no" to a couple things or a couple people may be necessary by then.

BTW nephritis is NOT incurable. Check out the herb Gravel Root. I have made a liquid extract for myself for nephritis. You may also find that Nettles herb works well. These are worth obtaining and trying. With Gravel root you have to be careful how much you take at once, so you will want to split your daily amount into 2-3 doses. If using the encapsulated dried powder, you will want to take no more than 2 capsules at a time. Twice daily is probably enough. Gravel root will benefit not only the kidneys by helping them flush out better, but will strengthen the digestion and nerves as well. Its a unique tonic especially beneficial for people with trouble with kidney weakness.

If Gravel root feels too harsh, then try Nettles. It is more gentle and works on an astringent action that can be especially beneficial to the kidneys. I have also used it for this same purpose.

You might find you like the benefits of both herbs. If so, combine them or alternate them. Switch when one herb is no longer effective.

Also Astragalus can be used in nephritis, especially for those who notice fluids building in the lower body (in legs, knees). It can have an indirect benefit by boosting the spleen's ability to help out the kidneys.

It may take months of steady, daily herb taking, but you will notice a difference, and I'm confident you will eventually get permanent relief.

posted February 06, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
YellowGerbera,

You'll probably notice a real drop off in that Uranus transit by June. But it depends on exactly where your Venus is in declination. Sometimes a transit seems to last beyond the normally accepted orb of influence because it is still aligned in declination.

However, Pluto will still be at 14-15 Capricorn and Rx in June, so it will be tightening up its square to both Venus & Mars. That may be the point at which some issues start to clarify, even if in an intense way. Pluto will hit the square midpoint of your Venus-Mars conjunction in August-September, so look for things to reach a point of real clarity then. Saying "no" to a couple things or a couple people may be necessary by then.

BTW nephritis is NOT incurable. Check out the herb [b]Gravel Root. I have made a liquid extract for myself for nephritis. You may also find that Nettles herb works well. These are worth obtaining and trying. With Gravel root you have to be careful how much you take at once, so you will want to split your daily amount into 2-3 doses. If using the encapsulated dried powder, you will want to take no more than 2 capsules at a time. Twice daily is probably enough. Gravel root will benefit not only the kidneys by helping them flush out better, but will strengthen the digestion and nerves as well. Its a unique tonic especially beneficial for people with trouble with kidney weakness.

If Gravel root feels too harsh, then try Nettles. It is more gentle and works on an astringent action that can be especially beneficial to the kidneys. I have also used it for this same purpose.

You might find you like the benefits of both herbs. If so, combine them or alternate them. Switch when one herb is no longer effective.

Also Astragalus can be used in nephritis, especially for those who notice fluids building in the lower body (in legs, knees). It can have an indirect benefit by boosting the spleen's ability to help out the kidneys.

It may take months of steady, daily herb taking, but you will notice a difference, and I'm confident you will eventually get permanent relief.

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Wow Thank you Kannon!

Declination for my nVenus is 8deg59min (N). It looks like tUranus is parallel with my nMars which is 4deg48min (N).

I'll keep an eye out for those dates!

My nephritis is caused by autoimmune dysfunction so the best I can do is to seek for anti-inflammatory type of treatments. Thank you very much for the following information tho! I've never heard of these herbs! I will see if I can find them locally here

posted February 08, 2015 03:40 PM            

I'd like to exchange e-mails with YellowGerbera to follow up on our herbal/health discussion.

Thank you.

posted February 11, 2015 01:08 PM            

Cap Moon 5H

Libra Pluto 2H

Lilith 8H

I feel depleted. There's been so much going on with me physically and mentally that I am just tired of it all.

posted February 11, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Bump. Attn moderators: I'd like an e-mail exchange with Yellow.

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posted February 12, 2015 12:28 PM            

Go to https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/astrology/ and scroll down.

posted February 12, 2015 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yellow,

Go to https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/astrology/ and scroll down.

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posted February 12, 2015 02:00 PM            

The square between Uranus & Pluto is not hitting your son's chart in angular fashion. I wouldn't see it as a cause for concern. Pluto is in transit quincunx his natal Mars and contra-parallel his Mercury. That's just not the same or as disruptive as Uranus-Pluto both squaring natal points.

You're probably thinking about the Asc at 10 Aries, but that's past. Pluto and Uranus are both moving on past that area of the cardinal signs. Besides, that Asc figure is off by at least 4 degrees and I cannot be certain exactly where his Asc is.

posted February 12, 2015 04:07 PM            

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Yellow - I got your e-mail, but something weird happened and it disappeared. Could you try again?

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