posted February 08, 2015 12:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Koho:
I really think 12th and 7th house placements need to be rethought or at least expanded.

I have Mars in Aries in the 12th square Moon, Neptune, Saturn, and Uranus. Neptune in the 9th, the other 3 in the 8th. All in Capricorn.

I also have Sun in the 7th in Scorpio with Merc and Pluto in the 6th conjunct the DSC.

I increasingly prefer not to have people ponder over my chart because of the maddening results. Everyone thinks these are all indicators of self assertion/repression. I then proceed to bash my head on the table screaming 'NOOOOO'.

My Mars in the 12th doesn't give me self assertion trouble. It mostly gives me two issues -

Random explosions of temper if I don't release my Uranus sq energy through exercise
A dampened energy where I am forced to carry a whip and force myself to not fall into an indulgent rut (compounded by Jupiter in the 1st, but its gifts are much better than this negative)

But no, no assertion issues. I'm a straight talker, if touched I'm vicious, and I am too much of a mix of stubborn/forward signs.

I will acknowledge my cousin who has a tight Mars sq Neptune - he suffers from the classical self assertion issues. But he is made up of the less stubborn and more reserve placements like Virgo rising, and a Libra Sun.

I'm not submissive in bed. My Mars is ruled by Aries and now you all probably have a decent idea how sex with me goes. I initiate, it's fun and fast (not like that stop laughing jerks), I like my hair ruffled (Cafe Astrology really nailed that one).

I just really wanted to remind every one that a 12th house placement isn't an auto indication of shyness or assertion issues. Some people suffer more from engine troubles from the 12th/Neptune dampening energy rather than a fear of engagement.

Don't even get me started about what people say about Sun in the 7th - drives me fricken nuts.

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posted February 08, 2015 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
VenusinCap89 - Awesome!! Wow, thank you so much! I would love that.

Koniucha - Absolutely! You definitely need to have thick skin! I also work with a Cancer/Aries (Impatient, and blunt, but I think he's a cool dude. He certainly doesn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, neither does the Libra/Aries.)
I also work with an Aqua/Aries. I CANNOT STAND them!! I want to glue their face to the ground, torture them, and squash their head with the fork truck! (Leo exaggeration. LOL)

Koho - Yeah I think that explosiveness is definitely 12th Mars. I'm so thankful to have really focused on that over the years. Finally, it takes quite a lot now to get me there and when it happens, it's a little dramatic, but honestly not that bad and short lived. When I was younger... holy...

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It took so long to do better with it. Still though, whenever I think I've fully mastered it it comes back. Much less in frequency but I still get that familiar guilty feeling of losing my **** when it happens since it can be such a scorched earth policy. All my squares are on my Mars so once astrology made me aware of it my improvement was like a one stop shop for all my needs.

posted February 08, 2015 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
What sign is your ASC and what degree is it in? xD
But I must agree, my thread must be edited like at least 50 more times. This is my first time sharing my understanding of astrology so far (since I registered here, all I did was ask around and collect data), please forgive me for my poor choice of words xD

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Oh no! I'm sorry! I wasn't annoyed at you! I was venting at the world!

posted February 08, 2015 12:37 PM              

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Originally posted by Koho:
Oh no! I'm sorry! I wasn't annoyed at you! I was venting at the world!

My degree is 15'03 Taurus so I really do get stubborn and rooted in my position.

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posted February 08, 2015 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Ohhhh sorry, for a second I thought maybe you had mars in 1st house as well
thank you for feedback!!! XD

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posted February 09, 2015 05:18 AM            

I certainly wouldn't say I was submissive, however I do love a strong, assertive man (prob also because of Taurus DSC).

posted February 09, 2015 11:13 AM            

The title invites us neptunian martians to firmly state: noooooo that is not the case! I strongly disagree, you're overgeneralizing! JK

Although submissiveness might be one of many manifestations of the aspect, it is not the whole deal. I like the way you're thinking about the idealizing all masculine. My Xena worship in childhood might be due to the quincunx between those planets in my chart. But I was never a fan of aggressive men, the vanilla, heavily built men, it actually turns me off. And like you said, rough sex is a no no, it's okay in the mind but never in bed. I am actually really turned on by emotionally needy guys, I can feel their intense feelings, their wish to merge. And also their silent firmness, I love it when there are no words spoken and he just feels what he needs to do, takes the lead. I can switch roles easily and become what man wants me to be, be bit more aggressive, but overall I can't stand passive lovers. There also has to be a touch of otherworldliness present. I'm sorry if that was too explicit

posted February 09, 2015 12:45 PM            

As I've written "I believe"; that doesn't necessarily involve logic, so I have no arguments to offer jk, I'll try my best, but I'm really not the best source on this. I think we should open a special thread about the differences of these three "categories". It would surely cause a great discussion. Oh gosh, I feel too mentally exhausted right now to offer you some great insights, besides this Neptune is getting me really confused. I would have to really organize my thoughts, I'll be back with a system

What's your take on this? I know you've got 12th house Mars. Do you nod when reading Mars in Pisces interpretations and say, Mars trine Neptune?

For now, I'd just say that Mars conjunct Neptune is the most "raw" and potent of them all (most neptunian, that is), then I'd put Mars in Pisces next, then perhaps the squares and oppositions, then 12th house overlay and maybe the least of the neptunian energy goes to trines, sextiles and minor aspects - only flavouring the Mars. That's just my gut, not reason speaking.

I don't know... where to put Neptune in 1st house then? it's a mess.
Huh, but perhaps I would just delete a 12th house Mars from my system?? I'm not fond of the "theory" that planets in certain houses get the ruling signs characteristics, nope, in my opinion is not that simple. Just like I am certain that my 12th house Saturn is not similar to Pisces Saturn, and I've read lots about it...

posted February 09, 2015 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
The way I understand it is like, planet being the force, sign being the method the force is applied with, and the house is where (what area of life). But I think it's waaaaaaaaay more complex than even that.

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My thoughts exactly!
oh well, we should most definitely wait

or maybe one good soul once makes a thread about this ever challenging and bewildering topic, so we can put an end to this and maybe put a comma for at least some time. But really, I think there's a lot of us "Virgo" souls here who would appreciate systematic and organized approach, one thread as a reference. I might just do that... made me think

posted February 09, 2015 05:41 PM            

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I have a Mars/Neptune conjunction in the 7th, in Capricorn.
Romantically I'm tuned in to the other person and can easily go with their flow. But I'm more assertive and more self-centred in other areas of my life.

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These placements denote desire for a confident assertive partner.

posted February 09, 2015 07:06 PM              

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

The way I understand it is like, planet being the force, sign being the method the force is applied with, and the house is where (what area of life). planet>sign>house = result.

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posted February 09, 2015 08:45 PM            

I will agree that Mars-Neptune, Mars 12th, and Mars in Pisces are not the same thing. They overlap in the broad sense but the nuances are different.

Example,

A Mars in 12th may share a lack of drive like they say Mars in Pisces do. That's about as similar as they get.

The reason the drive of a Mars in 12th is lacking is, and I'm totally guessing from my own experience, is that it is not a clear house with a direct focus. We know what a 10th house Mars wants, and we know what it wants in the 2nd, 3rd, 7th and so on houses because their focus is clear. There's no such concrete focus and obsessive drive as Mars in the other houses chases. It'll eventually figure out what it wants and go for it by the characteristics of its sign. Houses are targets and not to be confused with the make of the gun, which is the sign.

So people say I have self assertion issues because they see my Mars in the 12th.. but they ignore the fact that it is an Aries Mars. The core characteristic of an Aries Mars is impulsive self assertion! Just because my Mars is in the 12th doesn't mean it is akin to Mars in Pisces.

Now the Mars in Pisces is said to have lacking drive but do not confuse the nuance here. It may very well know what it wants unlike the Mars in 12th Aries. The lack of drive of one comes with an unclear target and the other comes from an innate characteristic.

Neptune.... I don't know. Leave me alone. :P Perhaps the Neptune aspects to Mars is more akin to Mars in Pisces than the 12th house Mars. So if the houses are targets, the sign the make of the gun, the planets are the bullets. Well with a Neptune aspect the Aries Colt 45 is shooting off Pisces bullets at whatever house target. So perhaps in this case I would blend the two more.

I'm totally talking out of my ass. I do have Mars in Aries in the 12th, with a Neptune square.

It took me a bit longer to figure out my Mars target. (12th) And my Neptune aspect is loose but I can feel it. I strongly prefer solo sports (12th or Neptune?). I can be Machiavellian if direct action is too difficult or inefficient but I'm also a Scorpio Sun Cappy Moon so I don't know if I can distill it to the Neptune square alone. Nuance depends on the reason I suppose..

posted February 09, 2015 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Funny enough, I think my Virgo mars in the 12th turned to using hard work to pursue my 2nd house north node.

Not to mean that's all it does but it's consistent.

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posted February 10, 2015 06:49 AM              

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Originally posted by Belba:
Is this really your first thread venusincap89? congratz, it's a nice one

The title invites us neptunian martians to firmly state: noooooo that is not the case! I strongly disagree, you're overgeneralizing! JK

Although submissiveness might be one of many manifestations of the aspect, it is not the whole deal. I like the way you're thinking about the idealizing all masculine. My Xena worship in childhood might be due to the quincunx between those planets in my chart. But I was never a fan of aggressive men, the vanilla, heavily built men, it actually turns me off. And like you said, rough sex is a no no, it's okay in the mind but never in bed. I am actually really turned on by emotionally needy guys, I can feel their intense feelings, their wish to merge. And also their silent firmness, I love it when there are no words spoken and he just feels what he needs to do, takes the lead. I can switch roles easily and become what man wants me to be, be bit more aggressive, but overall I can't stand passive lovers. There also has to be a touch of otherworldliness present. I'm sorry if that was too explicit

I also believe, that although we tend to group them in same category, Mars/Neptune, Pisces Mars and Mars in 12th house are very different.

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posted February 10, 2015 09:05 PM            

Mars is in 12th house. You're right about positive aspects vs negative ones. Mars receives a trine from Sun aries and Jupiter Sag. Quincunx Pisces moon. My mars definitely has to express itself and be dominant, but I can't shake off the guilt I feel sometimes. I don't find this house positioning fortunate, I'm unable to fully make use of my talents.