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Koho
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posted February 11, 2015 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So here's another thread. I'm pretty aware I'm posting a few too many. But Pluto has been transiting my 9th house and I'm constantly learning and I like to share it. Been wanting to write this one for awhile but life and stuff and things

I was looking over my Numerology report and I noticed that my Numerology cycles match my Pluto house transits past and future. Since noticing that I've been eager to make a thread where we can all timeline our lives according to Pluto's movements and see what we come up with.

So if you want, look up your Numerology Life Cycles and compare it to your Pluto history and future. Or just use Astrology. Feel free to be as detailed as possible or not!

I hope to see some interesting stories

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Natal Scorpio Pluto at the Cusp of my Virgo 6th house (big house)

Pluto wasn't kind to me at birth. It seems like Pluto in the house of health at birth brings a person in very disastrously. The more severe things I'll leave out but at birth Pluto gave me these things:
1. a very heavy debate about abortion (darkly, I think I'd of understood if they did considering the circumstances)
2. Premature birth
3. Some complication around eating leading to near starvation
4. Surgery
5. Surgery complications and close call recovery

I'd be interested to know if other natal 6th house Pluto people - especially Scorpio - have a "violent" birth

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Scorpio 7th house Pluto transit - Youth

This one is harder to understand since I was mostly young. I really liked to be alone in my youngest years and was given a lot of space due to that. I was an only child and I enjoyed it. My favorite toys were those plastic soldiers that came in bags of like 100 soldiers. I'd buy them in different colors and command wars. Very Scorpi-Cappy of me and Pluto 7th housey I suppose.

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Sag 8th House Pluto transit - Teenage years

Pluto was tough during these years. Anger issues and a lot of fighting due to a crappy NYC school system. It's where I learned to be tough and I'm happy for the experience.
Also a constant barrage of deaths of people I had close relationships with. The most interesting one is when tPluto began conjuncting Moon coincided with the mother figure dying. tPluto conjunct the Moon also conjuncts Neptune, Saturn, and Uranus while squaring all squaring Mars. For a block of years there were back to back deaths of close family members and friends. Very odd experience. I never got depressed but I did solidify the Cappy Moon emotional shell during these years.

Also began and ended a significant emotional relationship. Highly volatile and emotionally deep but ultimately unsustainable. Parted on good terms, grew from it. I've decided to run solo from there on out only dating people when the situation called for a very temporary, happy, understanding. Even now my current relationship has an agreed time limit upon my leaving for the military.

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Capricorn 9th house Pluto transit - Current, young adult

Much kinder here - but not all the time. Typical stuff, found my way to higher education, discovered astrology. Also some travel, but trauma ensued that ended the traveling phase. Not on me but a traveling partner and a close friend created a life changing accident for themselves that I had to save him from. Details best avoided but it is quite sad and left a person severely wounded.

For him tSaturn conjuncted Mars and Pluto opposite his Moon in the 9th. I'm sure more things were at play. He is close to his Saturn return and may be in the rough influences of that. The curious thing is - he changed his life goals and they are now inline with his North Node. He doesn't follow astrology.

Astrology lead me to fix my anger issues, my emotional control and detachment advanced to open sympathy/empathy, discovered my life goal (11th Pisces north node discovery lead to an epiphany of ideas for me) taking me away from a money grubbing career to humanitarian goals, and all around square away with myself. Much better version of me than with 8th house Pluto.

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Capricorn 10th house Pluto transit - Coming and I'm excited, Adulthood

According to Numerology my first life cycle ends soon and the purpose of it was all about spiritual growth.

My 2nd cycle is related to action by means of developing relationships. This coincides with Pluto being on its way to my 10th house.

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Aquarius 11th House transit Pluto - Middle age/oldish

This roughly coincides with my third cycle. Numerology considers it my harvest. I'm hoping that Pluto in the 11th house will be a period where I'm in a position to put my 11th Pisces NN ideas into action

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Pisces 12th House transit Pluto - Old Koho/Dead Koho

I don't know.

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posted February 11, 2015 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Koho,

Just wanted be the First ( ) to say this thread looks so interesting and like so much fun. Def gonna participate when I have a bit more time. Bookmarking. Thanks for coming up with such a great project!

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posted February 11, 2015 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Hey Koho,

Just wanted be the First to say this thread looks so interesting and like so much fun. Def gonna participate when I have a bit more time. Bookmarking. Thanks for coming up with such a great project!


Can't wait! It'll be a great way of knowing more about everyone and learning about Pluto.

I'm off to bed myself, shoulda been in it at 10. Night!

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posted February 12, 2015 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I've just finished reading your Pluto transits. What a most excellent story, and start!

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posted February 13, 2015 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arachne18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post Koho, I hadn't bothered to look back at transit Pluto in the houses, until now. The following is on a bit more of a fundamental level (not too sure about my numerology cycles) than yours but I find what you wrote very interesting. I have left out a few things that are probably relevant, however they are a bit personal, but otherwise here is my timeline of events.

Transit Pluto in:
2nd house- birth.( Pluto in libra. Virgo on 2nd house cusp). Nothing out of the ordinary that pertains to my birth.

3rd house- libra cusp, schooling years, forming life long friendships. Sibling rivalry. Finished school.

4th house- Scorpio cusp, starting getting interested in astrology. Left home to go to university when t Pluto was right on IC. Came out of my shell, more independent and less dependant on parents. I was the first to leave the nest so was a bit upsetting for my mother. Purchased rental home with sister, whom by now, I became best friends with. After graduating I returned home to work for a family member who subsequently passed.

5th house- Sagittarius cusp, moved away again to do a post grad, came back, met my now husband; funnily enough, an Aries - I have Jupiter in Aries in 9th (sag) house. Brought first home together, got married, had two kids, then sold house and brought second one.

6th house - Capricorn cusp. T Pluto is now in this house (untenanted) and will be for a long time. Since being here I have had a health concern, which turned out ok but in general I have been far more preoccupied with my health and well being than I ever have before. Also within this transit I will be buying into a business that I have been at for over 10 years and am feeling far more entrepreneurial and more more authoritative in the workplace. I am so excited about this new venture and have other transits that I feel have relevance to this opportunity also.

Like I said above, I hadn't looked at Pluto in relation to my earlier life. For me now I find transit Pluto pretty relevant to what is/was going on in my life.

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posted February 13, 2015 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya! I ignored Pluto for awhile and then I realized how personal it is to us. Most of us will only experience a few houses of Pluto transits before we kick it. Granted that we do get a clearer picture by looking at the other slow movers. The combination of Pluto in my 9th, Uranus in my 12th, Neptune in the 11th, Jupiter in the 5th, and Saturn in the 7th really describe my current life extremely well and do coincide with the other systems I pay time to. And I encourage anyone to include them if they have the time to put it all together. But Pluto - this guy defines your life for a really long time.

So I noticed when tPluto entered my 9th house I learned astrology but it also conjuncted Neptune in the 9th early into it. When you learned astrology did Pluto look at Neptune from the 4th?

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posted February 13, 2015 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Tr Pluto 3H/Libra, birth to grade school:
- Trouble with siblings
- Precocious at school, could read and write early
- Trouble with teachers and other kids

Tr Pluto 4H/Scorpio, middle to high school:
- Siblings leaving home for college
- House becoming empty
- My mother dies, tr Pluto conjunct mean NN exact

Tr Pluto 5H/Sag, college, young adulthood:
- Partying and travelling with friends from around the world
- Tr Pluto conjunct my Sag Venus: break it off with my most significant "other"
- Becoming religious...then losing my religion
- Tr Pluto on my Venus-Neptune midpoint: get married on a whim (Uranus had a lot to do with that.)
- Having kids the "Plutonian" way: no painkillers
- Tr Pluto on my Vertex: my father dies

Tr Pluto 6H/Capricorn, mid 30's:
- Lyme disease co-infection
- Raw diet, fasts, extreme health measures, things like that
- Currently conjunct my sun, 1* orb...well that's a long story.

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posted February 13, 2015 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Koho:
So here's another thread. I'm pretty aware I'm posting a few too many.

No you're not! This forum has been dead lately. Thanks for the new ideas.

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posted February 13, 2015 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg everything I just typed got deleted. I'll have to try again later.

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posted February 13, 2015 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay I think I'll do one life cycle at a time so that I don't risk deleting everything again.

Pluto in Scorpio house 6 (age 0-5)
Suburban family. Working dad, stay at home mom, big sister.
Would go camping every year, visit family out of state. Dad's side of the family lives near by. Had a good childhood. Did good simple things in my childhood like go to the library, go to beach. Life was good, not hard.

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posted February 13, 2015 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in Sagittarius house 6 and mainly 7 (age 5-17)

Mom went back to school, and working night shifts. I loved kindergarten. Began to dislike being at school by 1st grade. I had a lot of friends. Got into theater and dance by age 10. Over the years it took over my life. Stopped going up north with family by age 11. 14 at Bible camp I began to question religion. I barely had a social life in my teens. I was so passionate about making it to Broadway. I really hoped that I would be too successful to need to graduate high school and go college. Age 16 I got burned out from show biz, and wanted to have a normal life, and missed going on vacations. By age 17 I was depressed, abuse that happened when I was 13 surfaced and began to see a therapist. Realized I do need to graduate high school. Was done being a Christian, and found answers in astrology.

That's interesting about your 7th house experiences Koho. relationships where not a big thing for me around this time too. You think it would be the opposite.

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posted February 13, 2015 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in Capricorn house 7 and mainly 8. (age 17-34)
Had a deeper understanding of astrology. Became rebellious. Started smoking cigarettes. Started to party. Graduated high school. Moved in with a boyfriend, lost virginity, got full time minimum wage job. 6 months of that, I got out of that life and moved back home. Started community college, and got a part time job as a teacher aide. Got into gem healing. Dated but stayed single until 2012. I fell in love. I thought he was the one. He introduced me to meditation and OBE. He made me want to be a better person. There were problems in the relationship that I swept under the rug. Last year I quit smoking. I made up my mind about school. I should be done by December this year. I bought my first car.

Currently I am 24. Got my heart broken on Saturday. He dumped me, I know it's right but it really hurts. It's so hard to pick up the shattered pieces of myself and keep going with school. I am in a condensed Saturday class right now, and there are a few weeks left of the class. It's a struggle to push myself to pass the class. I have new standards for love, but I have so much healing and self improvement to do first.

Right now Pluto is quincunx my ASC, and conjunct my Neptune.

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posted February 13, 2015 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arachne18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

So I noticed when tPluto entered my 9th house I learned astrology but it also conjuncted Neptune in the 9th early into it. When you learned astrology did Pluto look at Neptune from the 4th?[/B]


Interesting. When I first got into astrology t Pluto was a little way off from hitting neptune, but now looking back, when it was on or around n neptune (right at the end of 4th house cusp) I got into it in a far bigger way. I sent away for a natal chart report, brought many astrology books and took an astrology course. Also around the time pluto was on neptune, I dabbled with recreational substances (will edit later).

Even though they are still quite young & pluto moves so slowly, I will now take note of my children's transits through the houses. Especially my eldest son, Scorpio sun, cancer moon in 8th and with n pluto in 1st house conjunct ascendant- I imagine transits may affect him more deeply.

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posted February 13, 2015 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately to measure Pluto's phases by longitudes of house positions is inadequate. The reason is that Pluto's plane of orbit does not share declination with the ecliptic. This means that Pluto can be transiting one house in longitude and another in declination.

This could be seen as part of the deep and complex nature of Pluto, that it cannot be nailed down as easily as sun, moon, other planets, especially the inner ones.

In Feb. 1989 Pluto moved across 15 Scorpio, but its declination was only 1S07 (-1*07'), what would normally correlate to a longitude position in the first few degrees of Libra. So during that period it could be in your 2nd house by longitude, but parallel your Asc and moving through your 1st house by declination.

Pluto's different plane of orbit:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/#pluto

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posted February 14, 2015 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kannon,

That's interesting. So you're saying, we should look in two places for Pluto transits? As if it hits in two spots?

I clicked on your link but cannot find anything about Pluto there.

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posted February 15, 2015 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops. Sorry, wrong link. I have corrected it and am putting it here:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/#pluto

All planets are located not by a single position of longitude (zodiac position), but by two positions, longitude and declination. If I say Mars is in Aries I know it is in a certain 30-degree segment of the sky -- in longitude. But I do not know exactly where it is.

This is very important for aspects, because they are point-to-point relationships. If you want to know the full aspect picture you must take into account the declinations.

So for climactic points marked by aspects -- Pluto 'on the angles' as is said -- there will be a spot in declination that comes well after Pluto passes the angular spot in longitude.

I will have to do an in-depth survey of my chart and my wife's to start getting a clearer idea of how this works out in terms of Pluto's life cycles as Koho has described.

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posted February 15, 2015 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did it.

Koho, thanks for the great idea and exercise. I know you weren't trying to teach, but this is how you teach. The best teachers are the most brilliant learners, who can share what they're learning, and inspire you to go learn for yourself too. I know you have your career, but later on in life if circumstances permit, you should consider being a stay at home dad and homeschooling your kids!

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posted February 15, 2015 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Oops. Sorry, wrong link. I have corrected it and am putting it here:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/#pluto

All planets are located not by a single position of longitude (zodiac position), but by two positions, longitude and declination. If I say Mars is in Aries I know it is in a certain 30-degree segment of the sky -- in longitude. But I do not know exactly where it is.

This is very important for aspects, because they are point-to-point relationships. If you want to know the full aspect picture you must take into account the declinations.

So for climactic points marked by aspects -- Pluto 'on the angles' as is said -- there will be a spot in declination that comes well after Pluto passes the angular spot in longitude.

I will have to do an in-depth survey of my chart and my wife's to start getting a clearer idea of how this works out in terms of Pluto's life cycles as Koho has described.


...so I am going to put up what I have, and then try to interpret this. This looks like years of work...

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posted February 15, 2015 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nope not quite

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posted February 15, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 15, 2015 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Arachne18:
Interesting. When I first got into astrology t Pluto was a little way off from hitting neptune, but now looking back, when it was on or around n neptune (right at the end of 4th house cusp) I got into it in a far bigger way. I sent away for a natal chart report, brought many astrology books and took an astrology course. Also around the time pluto was on neptune, I dabbled with recreational substances (will edit later).

Even though they are still quite young & pluto moves so slowly, I will now take note of my children's transits through the houses. Especially my eldest son, Scorpio sun, cancer moon in 8th and with n pluto in 1st house conjunct ascendant- I imagine transits may affect him more deeply.


Yes, I should clarify my experience. I've always been interested in astrology. My first or second girlfriend in gradeschool introduced me to sun signs and I always identified as a Scorpio since the age of 13-14.

tPluto entering the 9th and conjuncting Neptune began my depth into it


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posted February 15, 2015 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I did it.

Koho, thanks for the great idea and exercise. I know you weren't trying to teach, but this is how you teach. The best teachers are the most brilliant learners, who can share what they're learning, and inspire you to go learn for yourself too. I know you have your career, but later on in life if circumstances permit, you should consider being a stay at home dad and homeschooling your kids!


Way too kind, Venus, thank you. Many people thought and have advised me to go into some form of teaching. It is probably one of the most common compliments I've received in life. It has to be that Jupiter in the 1st house at work. I feel like I would do well in a teaching role. I like the idea but it doesn't satisfy my entire personality.


The way I see most careers can be a good teaching vehicle particularly at the late stage

As for kids, I don't plan on marriage or kids but astrology and other systems pretty much promise it so I'm kinda just waiting for that mental shift

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posted February 15, 2015 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read and reread everyone's post and I'll certainly read them all again. It's all so interesting. We won't be experiencing these Pluto phases in our lifetimes so it is great to see them in others.

Here's a few themes I noticed; most as we can expect them -

Early 3rd transit -
2 people felt sibling rivalries in their *youth* with tPluto going through the 3rd. One person did not. But Venus' instance seems to be at a much younger age than gradeschool so this obviously makes all the difference.

Early 4th transit -
I find this one interesting. It seems it is a mixed result of death in the family/leaving the family/damage to the family. I will not experience this one in my life. Since I grew up with no tPluto through the 4th my experience is different. I had a lot of home stability in comparison. No deaths early on, consistent home, stable and happy family relations. This broke apart in tPluto in my 8th later in life as people began dying rather consistently. Still, no damaged family relationships, and still a consistent home; just death.

tPluto through the 5th -

You guys just had party time, a heavy one. I have my first adult 5th house transit coming; Jupiter will go into my 5th after it finishes the RX. Party time without the heavy.

Venus, that Pluto-Neptune Summer must of been intense and magical and certainly is a time placed in your memory.


tPluto into the 6th -
This is very interesting because we all share experiences here. Common denominator is health issues. I happened to experience them at birth, while everyone else later in life.

Stawr had a much difference experience. While Pluto attempted to strangle me in my infancy it seems to have been much kinder to Stawr and I wonder why.

It is also important to note Pluto in Capricorn in the 6th shows some initiation in entrepreneurial work.

tPluto through 7th -

Isolation. Odd. I'm experiencing Saturn in the 7th now and it is isolating so I'm surprised Pluto is showing the same effect.

Also, I forgot to note that like Stawr I did see a therapist during my 7th house years. It was mostly as a precaution due to family history and nothing came of it.

tPluto in the 8th

Aside from the people dying stuff there also seems to be a start of an intense relationship that doesn't seem to last.

I imagine these two things - death and intense relationships - is really dependent on what Pluto looks at from your 8th.

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Anyway! All very interesting. I hope for more!

As for Kannon's post - I'm fixed and stubborn and slow on the uptake but I'll definitely read your article!

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Pluto on the IC, transiting 4th house (until I was 14).

I grew up in a chaotic and violent home. My childhood has scarred me throughout my whole life. My mother restricted me a lot, she was too overprotective and fearful of me getting hurt. What she doesn't realize is she hurt me most by doing that. It made me want to prove myself more so I worked harder, pluto also trined my sun and mars during the transit. She used the willpower I mustered while misdirecting her anger at me. Pluto conjunct my Jupiter is probably when I lost faith in her. I have always very deeply resented the control, consistent lack of explanations, subtle and arrogant hinting that took place and how I was taken advantage of as a child. Natal Moon conjunct Saturn did not help. I matured quickly only to be forcibly coddled and the irony was, I knew and experienced what she wanted to protect me from and I was protecting her from that sensitive info. Lol. I became much too clever at disobeying which was a ray of light but also a thorn in the side, because I had to protect myself by conceding to irrationality. Pluto in Sag wants to be honest but can't.

Pluto in Capricorn 5th house (14-19)

High school, my melancholy was at it's peak while I adhered to my social cues and smiled convincingly. I fooled everyone, acting like a scholar, looking composed. I followed expectations and I was empty. I felt lost like no one was telling me anything real or worth value. The motivational assemblies felt like hocus-pocus, we don't care, have a taste of standard procedure. I ended up pulling it together but I think going through this transit, I'm slowly realizing I don't work well on other people's time. Time is the key word, I need more of it to get back in touch with myself. I want to stop heeding other people's expectations of me. I need to figure out how to express myself again because I'm so sick of not capturing the essence of what's really going on. I genuinely have a great distaste for pretence currently, I feel like that one trait opposes my whole being. I need to strike independence right now.

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posted February 16, 2015 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread. Here's my input - interestingly, no one has reported anything on these Houses yet, hopefully more people will chip in! Please don't quote.

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