posted February 14, 2015 12:21 AM            

I'm thinking Cancer sun, for sure. Elusive, brooding, retreats into his shell when threatened or vulnerable, possessive and emotionally complex. The tender streak is there if the mood suits him. Material and monetary security is extremely important to him. His home is his domain.

As for the BDSM..Mars-Pluto? Uranus in the 8th?

posted February 14, 2015 02:50 AM            

People who are into bdsm --> Mars/Pluto

posted February 14, 2015 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by CatMote:
whoa whoa.....i think yall are confusing actual abuse with BDSM. before you actually judge BDSM based on a fictional novel, i suggest some research. with the influx of stuff from 50 shades and people confusing this abuse with how real people do real BDSM, theres plenty of articles.
not saying im into that stuff, because im not, just stating the truth here.

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posted February 14, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by CatMote:
whoa whoa.....i think yall are confusing actual abuse with BDSM. before you actually judge BDSM based on a fictional novel, i suggest some research. with the influx of stuff from 50 shades and people confusing this abuse with how real people do real BDSM, theres plenty of articles.
not saying im into that stuff, because im not, just stating the truth here.

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Not confused here, and as for BDSM articles, here's one by a guy into it who explains the difference between consensual and playful BDSM against the abuse Christian Grey dishes out:
http://pervocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/lets-read-fifty-shades-of-grey-chapter.html

That also sums up my distaste for it, though it doesn't explain all of it, from the shallowness (vain, upset that a friend looks better than her even when she has the flu, etc) that Ana starts from who then is degraded into being pathetic (plenty of examples in that link I just gave). IIRC, he also missed that Christian Grey doesn't just dominate Ana sexually, but seeks to dominate her entire life (but maybe that's some Total Power Exchange thing--I mean the actual BDSM games as opposed to domestic and sexual abuse that is not only ill informed but also grounds for criminal charges if done in real life). And to think she believes she's the mean one! Classic abuse.

But that aside, BDSM has nothing to do with my distaste for it, what I don't like is that it adds to the delusion many girls are raised with that abuse is love and that she can change a beast into a prince with it...at least if he's hot and/or rich. I hate that we're raised in a culture where this is normal for women and that songs like Possession is seen as romantic (though the song was created as a type of therapy against the frightening and threatening letters the singer was getting--stalkers who believed women liked men with the temperament of Christian Grey). Not only have I met women who thought Possession was romantic but I also heard of a man who burned that song onto a CD to give as a mix to his casual girlfriend!

And that gets to the other part that bothers me about this. It gives the green light for men to be as criminal and even monstrous as Grey gets, the type of men all too many women have endured, gotten restraining orders against, and defended ourselves from. I'm glad to see a feminist reaction against this movie because at least when porn encourages disrespect to outright abuse for women it's known to be made by men for men, but when women like her make books like this and it becomes a bestseller then that's saying "that's what women want." Maybe for their next trick the company that published that book and then sold movie rights to will do the same to a black author who writes a story of how someone black loves life on a slave plantation, and then watch it become a bestseller!

I've even seen that said here on LL...and note I never really spoke out against the book (other than tongue in cheek comments) until someone said all women want someone like Christian Grey (and that Grey wasn't abusive) which is even more offensive than when a man says it. And note what one man (Jack Dowry) had to say on that blog that Odette left a link to:

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This book may be poorly written, and film will probably be just as bad; but Fifty Shades has shown that no matter how hard feminazi's try to shame men for being men, and try to get women to try and behave like men, that the majority of women out there will still want a man to take control.

This has nothing to do with inequality, and has everything to do with the fact that REAL WOMEN LOVE REAL MEN.

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:vomit:

posted February 15, 2015 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
That character is an abusive sociopath.

People who are into bdsm --> Mars/Pluto

People who are abusive sociopaths as well as happen to be into bdsm--> Mars/Pluto + Suffering from serious psychological illness.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Non-Sexual-Reason-People-Boycotting-Fifty-Shades -Grey-69590.html

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at the Vomit Reaction!

I actually don't understand the boycotting of the film. I saw the movie last night - Christian's actions didn't influence me either way.

posted February 15, 2015 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Guy probably has assh*le rising.

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Interesting.

posted February 15, 2015 02:31 AM            

maybe try to look into the chart of someone who is living the lifestyle rather than a made up character?

I cant wait for this 50 shades of BS to blow over...im so sick of hearing about it.

posted February 15, 2015 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Guy probably has assh*le rising.

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I just screamed.... LOL

posted February 15, 2015 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Guy probably has assh*le rising.

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posted February 15, 2015 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
As for placements...you know that many people want to assume that us Cap-Martians are into that BDSM sh*t. No, not really!

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Amen to that!

posted February 15, 2015 03:45 AM            

Giving $50 to those helping women escape men like Christian Grey sounds like a good idea, however, and can help offset the damage the popularity of this movie will contribute to.

But the movie itself won't be particularly influential other than to validate the programming some men and all too many women were raised with. The damage was done with many old Disney movies and even Christianized fairy tales among other things. Back in even the late 20th century the majority of the media outside scifi/fantasy (and sometimes even that) focused on men who conquered a villain and won the prize (typically a woman, or at least a woman awarded him the prize) and any women within were eye candy or somehow to enhance the men involved (they'd scarcely talk about anything else other than the males involved), and other manifestations of the Smurfette Principle.

If females were just as important for themselves (such as Dana Scully) just as often as men then it wouldn't be a big deal (like how Captain Kirk is acceptable despite being so sexual but as women are defined by their sexual nature in media then it would be to reinforce that in a Captain Jane Kirk as there to please men, or at least male audiences as such a trait is just a trait for a man but a meaning of existence for the female) but the very lack of strong female types who aren't intended as prizes contributes widely to that to both male and female audiences so that men are the power, women are the reward (more a trophy than a person)...and not so much in a conscious way, it's more like how currents shape rocks, so do endless repetition of these themes shape the mind (and the desires), especially as the brain develops through childhood and the teens.

Media aimed at females was (and even in this century often remains) even worse promoting submissive women who turned beasts into princes, a very common theme (with cosmetic variations) in the romance genre that shaped women to see themselves, men, and other females a certain way that's unhealthy, and mixed with the general sexual repression of females growing up mixes in a dangerous way with the implanted fantasies of the forceful man who takes full responsibilities of her desires by "making" her (she often puts up a token resistance, but loves it, as the iconic scene in Gone With the Wind) so that it's guilt free yet at the same time is very unrealistic as forceful men that they dream about do NOT conform to her fantasies as they do in the book, nor are they likely to be "changed" as so many women are under the delusion that they can do because they identified with fictional heroines that did so again and again until we get a trope created by mostly women fanfic writers known as Draco in Leather Pants. AKA, women love the bad boys (though he's SUPPOSED to change for her once he sees the power of her love and sacrifice since that keeps happening in the romance genre).

posted February 15, 2015 12:49 PM            

it just makes me uncomfortable that this is now a trend, because ppl buying into it dont know what it is truly about. if anything, hopefully it will open up a discussion as to what BDSM truly is- an alternative sexuality. There is nothing wrong with it but cheapening it, turning it into a trend is kind of laughable to be honest.

The movie "secretary" was a better film IMO

posted February 15, 2015 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by tbelle:
Not to get too off topic but, i really do think this 50 shades phenomena was the perfect example of the finale of saturn in scorpio. Also, bondage wear was and has been a huge trend in fashion for the past couple of years.

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tbelle, very sharp of you to see the correlation with Saturn in Scorpio to the film and the trend in fashion. That's interesting.

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it just makes me uncomfortable that this is now a trend, because ppl buying into it dont know what it is truly about. if anything, hopefully it will open up a discussion as to what BDSM truly is- an alternative sexuality. There is nothing wrong with it but cheapening it, turning it into a trend is kind of laughable to be honest.

The movie "secretary" was a better film IMO

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"The Secretary" is one of my favorite movies lately. There's another film "Night Porter" with Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling, but I haven't gotten past the first few minutes, it's so bleak.

I saw this clip on YouTube that I think is well done, tasteful, and sexy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7SHjbjGpW0&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DI7SHjbjGpW0&has_verified=1

posted February 15, 2015 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
:vomit:

And THAT is why I HATE books & movies like this becoming so popular which is far more damaging to women than the most misogynistic porn could ever be.

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The man did not abuse Ana. Enough already. Anytime you provide a contract to someone letting them know what will happen and give them the opportunity to remove the things they don't like...you are not abusing them because the KNOW full well what they are entering into.

Now to deal with this misogynistic argument some of you are trying to build. How on EARTH is this a misogynistic film? If you watched the movie you would see that this poor 8th house/Scorpio man was abused by a female dominatrix at age 15. This in turn alters his sexual nature and causes him to like something completely alternative to what most of us expect from sex.

posted February 15, 2015 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by tbelle:
Not to get too off topic but, i really do think this 50 shades phenomena was the perfect example of the finale of saturn in scorpio. Also, bondage wear was and has been a huge trend in fashion for the past couple of years.

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Aren't we currently in the same astrological age as Marquis de Sade and Francisco Goya?

posted February 15, 2015 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
Now to deal with this misogynistic argument some of you are trying to build. How on EARTH is this a misogynistic film? If you watched the movie you would see that this poor 8th house/Scorpio man was abused by a female dominatrix at age 15. This in turn alters his sexual nature and causes him to like something completely alternative to what most of us expect from sex.

Cut the crap people. Cancer/Leo signing off.

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It's misogynistic because of its inherent hatred and contempt of women, from mothers to lovers. The fact that it was written by a woman doesn't change that. And neither does the claim that he was abused by a female dominatrix, especially as that's a fictional portrayal of women (and also misunderstanding of BDSM) and just one more way women who aren't abused, dominated, and even raped are evil. Even in real life it would still be a form of misogyny.

posted February 15, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
[b] "The Secretary" is one of my favorite movies lately. There's another film "Night Porter" with Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling, but I haven't gotten past the first few minutes, it's so bleak.

I saw this clip on YouTube that I think is well done, tasteful, and sexy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7SHjbjGpW0&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DI7SHjbjGpW0&has_verified=1

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Yes! Night porter is a classic and is still a reference in fashion photography!

I think 50 shades is just a watered down "kids" version of kink. pluto in scorpio generation.