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Topic: Houses and Elements
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DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted February 19, 2015 09:07 AM
  
This may end up being a bit of an open-ended topic. That's okay.  This discussion has come up plenty of times I'm sure but sometimes I just like a fresh look.
So this has to do with houses and elements. (Maybe outer planets as well, etc)
I often think of a planet being a point of power, or energy might be a better way to put that. The sign is a filter through which that power (energy) comes through. That energy is applied more towards a certain area of life (the house)
My only water planet by sign is Uranus.
Water planets by HOUSE are Mercury, Venus, Mars (12th) and Jupiter (8th)
Would you count angles? (My Cancer MC for example)
My point is, to look at my chart by sign, I'm very low water. To look at it by "Pullen", I'm more even. (all elements are within 3 percent I think - I'd have to double check)
Yet, in my personal life, I've often been told that I'm "insensitive". Barbie will often tell me that she wishes that I had a water moon. 
I'm actually a very sensitive person. I can be loving. But I have a bad habit of being insensitive about others feelings when it's the worst time to do so. Or simply offending by joking about a sensitive topic for example. I fail to always understand that some things stir up so much feeling in others.
To me, having Virgo Stellium in the 12th doesn't mean I'm more water influenced, but that those planets are having focus in a Virgoian way, in that water house. Meaning, I'm applying Earth, to water, not water to the planets in it.
I see it as challenging, as earth here is unnatural. Perhaps this is why my 12th gave me such a hard time when I was younger. In fact, I'm almost certain of this. Because I kept trying to apply logic and reasoning to an area of life that logic and reasoning do not apply!! Over time, I've learned how to deal with that.
That pretty much makes this a two part discussion I suppose. Hopefully I didn't confuse the crap out of people. LOL How do others feel about this?
Or do you have similar feelings about one of your houses? Perhaps low on an element?
Where is the line drawn for voids?
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DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted February 20, 2015 09:09 AM
Bump!
(Let me know if I'm confusing you. Haha) IP: Logged |
Faith
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From: Bella's Hair Salon
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posted February 20, 2015 09:26 AM
Just watched a video with astrologer Steven Forrest the other day, whose motto is: "We ARE our signs. We DO our houses."So if I understand that correctly, and if it's true to begin with, it would mean that your alleged insensitivity reflects your Virgo planets (along with other things, but Virgo is the culprit for being overly critical) and those Virgo planets are not "watered down" by being in the 12H, not sensitized, but are simply applied more often in 12H settings....like this forum. Or when you are thinking about and analyzing forensics. Just one angle to consider.
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DeepFreeze
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posted February 20, 2015 10:07 AM
Thanks!
I'll have to check him out! That's pretty much how I feel about it. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 20, 2015 10:34 AM
Low water has a different language of the emotions. It is like an "alien" but that is too strong of a word BUT it is a little removed from the "normal" emotions of other people, as if it stands above the head of a person like a ghost you may see in the movies.I think that if you have a relationship with a high water person, there has to be some way to bridge that gap and I am not really sure how. Perhaps, links in the chart synastry will show you ways but I can tell when I am dealing with a low water person/water void. I can feel the emotional separation and I don't "expect" them to understand things as I do.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 10:36 AM
I think a strong water house would not make up for a water void/low water.I know some people think it will but I have not seen that, in my limited experience, of course. I have seen people with water voids and a strong 12th house and it does not seem to mitigate the water void. Somehow, it seems to make it worse and I don't know how or why.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 10:51 AM
I think that, maybe, aspects can help compensate for voids. I am an earth void and I have Saturn trine the Moon.I am a very disciplined person and take a lot of pride in being disciplined. I have some planets in earth houses but I feel this is more of a subtle vibration, whereas aspects are a stronger one. DF, if you had good aspects to the Moon, this may help the water void. What do you have? ------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted February 20, 2015 11:12 AM
Uranus in Scorpio is trine.
Leo Sun sextile.
Virgo mercury/mars square.
Cancer mc conjunct
Leo Saturn semi-sextile
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Liliya
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posted February 20, 2015 11:17 AM
Planetary water voids have feelings, just like anyone else. There is no vessel to express them, thats all.I think it helps, when personal planets make aspect to water planets. There is no much point in me writing this here, that's why I don't bother replying topics on this matter  Some people have already made up their mind, and I'm not here to even try to convince otherwise. Just sharing my own experience. Maybe someone will bother trying to understand. I'm a planetary water void, with 12th and 4th House stellium, and 2 water angles.
I am very sensitive, empathetic and feel deeply. Problem is, I am rather awkward when I'm expressing my feelings or simpathy. I tend to keep a lot of things inside, and it's quite heavy on me as I'm prone to depression. Having no vessel is hard, but I'm grateful for all of my personal planets making aspects to water planets PS. According to Pullen, Moon and Neptune are my 2nd and 3rd strongest. Water is close to 1st place, too. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 20, 2015 11:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Uranus in Scorpio is trine.
Leo Sun sextile.
Virgo mercury/mars square.
Cancer mc conjunct
Leo Saturn semi-sextile
I mean, what does your Moon do, DF? ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 11:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Liliya:
Planetary water voids have feelings, just like anyone else. There is no vessel to express them, thats all.I think it helps, when personal planets make aspect to water planets. There is no much point in me writing this here, that's why I don't bother replying topics on this matter Some people have already made up their mind, and I'm not here to even try to convince otherwise. Just sharing my own experience. Maybe someone will bother trying to understand. I'm a planetary water void, with 12th and 4th House stellium, and 2 water angles.
I am very sensitive, empathetic and feel deeply. Problem is, I am rather awkward when I'm expressing my feelings or simpathy. I tend to keep a lot of things inside, and it's quite heavy on me as I'm prone to depression. Having no vessel is hard, but I'm grateful for all of my personal planets making aspects to water planets PS. According to Pullen, Moon and Neptune are my 2nd and 3rd strongest. Water is close to 1st place, too.
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DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
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posted February 20, 2015 11:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I mean, what does your Moon do, DF?
Those are aspects to my moon.
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DeepFreeze
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posted February 20, 2015 11:51 AM
LiliyaThank you!!
That's precisely how I feel a lot. You hit it. So, see if you relate to this. Sometimes with things I simply let it go and move on because it's just too much for me to deal with. So I simply choose not to deal with it at all. Which in turn, comes across as insensitive, which maybe it is. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 12:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Uranus in Scorpio is trine.
Leo Sun sextile.
Virgo mercury/mars square.
Cancer mc conjunct
Leo Saturn semi-sextile
Your Merc/Mars square the Moon is prolly your bottleneck. You may feel things strongly but don't know how to communicate them. You may not know how to translate emotions to actions in an easy way. Knowing this may help. I can explain in more practical detail if you want, DF
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Vajra
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posted February 20, 2015 01:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Liliya:
Planetary water voids have feelings, just like anyone else. There is no vessel to express them, thats all.
That's a good way of putting it IMO; moreover, in my experience from interacting with a few water voids / low water people, fire can be just as emotional as water, only more extrovert. Therefore I would't say someone is automatically unemotional or out of touch with their feelings if the chart is a water void, but has lots of fire. I experience the emotionality of fire-dominant people with water voids or low water as more direct, less complicated and also, "warmer" than the emotionality of water-dominant people who, let's face it, can be very self-absorbed once in a while…as in, when they find themselves wallowing in misery, other people's emotional needs tend to not be very high on their agenda anymore, and they can be surprisingly cold-hearted without even noticing (as a Water Sun and AC I am allowed to say that :P) Overall I see too much water in the chart as a bigger challenge than too little water, especially for men. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 02:10 PM
I have noticed that the people who have problems with me are, very often, water voids or a generational planet in water.I have cancer moon conj the MC, so appear very water like online and in my career. I have Moon SQUARE the ASC so am not as watery appearing in real life. I am more Gemini like(Gemini stellium) One person with a water void and a huge 12th House harassed me to death on FB. She followed me around dissing everything I did. I know, intuitively, who has a water void/low water by how they, often, don't like me. I think you can feel out the charts of people by how they react to you.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 02:12 PM
*I* feel a real revulsion if I make up a leg of a person's T square or Grand cross with my Unaspected Venus.Unaspected planets are very sensitive in synastry, so know that if you have one. I feel revulsion to them and vice-versa. Once, my venus made the T square into a Grand Cross in a guy's chart. Man, the revulsion was something else. There is another person whom I KNOW my Venus does this but I have not seen her chart. You can start to feel out your own planets and how they hit people and it helps to understand Astrology better LOL ------------------
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Faith
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posted February 20, 2015 02:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have cancer moon conj the MC, so appear very water like online and in my career.I have Moon SQUARE the ASC so am not as watery appearing in real life.
Wow, you still haven't looked at your chart?
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Ami Anne
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posted February 20, 2015 02:52 PM
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Violets
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posted February 20, 2015 02:57 PM
A lot of this sounds like my husband, who only has Jupiter in Scorpio as far as water signs.He has Sun and Venus in 8H, and Neptune at 0 Sagittarius in 12H, but Jupiter is the only actual water sign placement in his chart (not counting other objects). He has a really difficult time expressing his emotions. Like incredibly difficult, which has proven to be an enormous source of frustration for me, because that's pretty much what I do, and how I communicate. -__- I have Mercury conjunct my Dsc/POF and trine Pluto, so I will probe and push until he finally spits out what he needs to say (and yes, it often p*sses him off, as he has a ton of fire in his chart). Once we finally talk about whatever it is, we usually make pretty good progress. It's just getting him to talk it out when he would vastly prefer to ignore most issues.  IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted February 20, 2015 03:03 PM
VioletsHa!
Glad you understand.
It's like I have to put so much effort but when they come out, they are full feelings.
It literally feels like an interior barrier. I feel my feelings, I want them out, but they won't.
But like we're zombies but the deeper, stronger feelings are more difficult. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted February 20, 2015 03:25 PM
I always thought it was his Mercury square Saturn, but I guess maybe that wasn't it after all! I have another friend who is a complete water void, and has almost all air and earth, except for Neptune in Sag if I recall correctly. He has Mars and Moon in 12H though, which I would imagine is difficult.
However, his progressed Sun is in Pisces, so I would imagine that helps a bit with the expression of feelings. I guess I shouldn't take my ability to talk about my feelings as such an easy thing for everyone.  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted February 20, 2015 03:42 PM
I see the whole chart as interconnected and mixed up together. I don't see my aquarius sun and venus or my capricorn saturn playing out in 12th house affairs. It's more I see a strange mixture of aquarius,capricorn,and pisces in my general personality. I'm very aquarian in the sense that I am very much an individual and i'm very opinionated and yes, i'm different/eccentric. However I can also be very uptight and worrisome and have a conservative streak that you don't see with most uranian people, this is the saturn/capricorn. On top of all of that I can be very sensitive and be taken in by sob stories. People tell me that I seem "pure of heart" or innocent, these are things that are typical of pisces/neptunian people. These placements permeate every area of my life and don't just play out in the 12th house. I could also use my taurus moon in the 3rd house as an example of this but I don't want to ramble. IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted February 20, 2015 03:44 PM
I have a Ton of things to say (and explain!)
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GemBird82
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posted February 20, 2015 03:45 PM
But I'll keep them for another day! hahahah ! IP: Logged |
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