posted February 19, 2015 09:33 PM            

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'Choppergate'

During the January 30, 2015, NBC Nightly News broadcast, Brian Williams referred to "a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG." Williams later said he was not in the the helicopter that was hit by an RPG, but in a helicopter direclty behind it. The pilots of Williams' helicopter say their chopper was not directly behind the hit Chinook, but in a different company altogether.

SEAL Team 6

During the May 3, 2011, NBC Nightly News broadcast, Williams said that he had "the great honor of flying into Baghdad with [SEAL Team 6] at the start of the war." A Special Operations Command spokesman has told Huffington Post: "We do not embed journalists with this or any other unit that conducts counter-terrorism missions." Said another SEAL officer to CNN: "That early in the conflict, there were only missions taking place, not bouncing between outstations."

The Berlin Wall

At a 2008 forum at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, Williams said that he "was at the Brandenburg Gate the night the [Berlin] wall came down." As CNN reports, "'the night the wall came down' is widely recognized as November 9, 1989. ... An NBC News source in a position to know confirmed to CNNMoney that "Brian arrived the day after the wall came down."

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Politico article

His chart, birth time unknown:

posted February 19, 2015 09:36 PM            

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posted February 19, 2015 09:38 PM            

I don't think I have ever seen Moon conj merc this close.

His heart and his mind are almost fused. Then, we have Chiron which is pain hitting it.

Any combust is hard because two different energies are too enmeshed imo

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posted February 19, 2015 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Birth time unknown, Ami.

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I know, Faith, but it was a good guess

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posted February 19, 2015 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I know, Faith, but it was a good guess

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Huh?

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I don't think I have ever seen Moon conj merc this close.

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posted February 19, 2015 09:51 PM            

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posted February 19, 2015 10:10 PM            

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posted February 19, 2015 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I can't fathom how it's possible for a normally-functioning brain to really trick itself into thinking "I got shot down in a helicopter" when it didn't happen.

Well his Mars in Cancer maybe...felt like it did things that it didn't do. That is a skipped step for him, squaring his nodal axis, and how odd that this story breaks with the transiting NN conjunct his natal NN.

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posted February 19, 2015 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I can't fathom how it's possible for a normally-functioning brain to really trick itself into thinking "I got shot down in a helicopter" when it didn't happen

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Look into memory, it's both complex and mysterious. The Reid Technique (IIRC the name of it correctly) was banned in several countries because police interrogators could actually get people to not only confess to crimes they didn't do but actually recall committing crimes they never did...one fascinating case was a guy convicted of a murder he didn't commit in Ireland, IIRC, after being told repeatedly that he did, made to imagine it over and over again, and the brainwashing techniques being very mild (though banned in most civilized countries the technique is still considered "interrogation" rather than "brainwashing"). After it was proven he didn't do it he still remembered being the one to do it (with the guilt and shock of having done it even after he was told it was impossible for him to have done it and someone else had confessed).

(ETA: link on the phenomenon.)

And apparently some people mistake even what they see in movies as real life. An extreme example I came across OL was someone who was freaked over extreme supernatural events including rapes by spirits and I'd asked why she remained in that home and kept her children there if this was happening to which she couldn't reply and when someone said because that's what happened in the movie that played last week the woman went berserk saying she hadn't seen the movie and this was really happening to her...and I've seen similar things (for example, several pagans got to suddenly talking about their "magic addiction" which mystified me as it was so bizarre until someone explained the Buffy story arc being aired on TV at the time).

And a haunting experience to me was when no one could recall the original reason to invade Iraq in Desert Storm even though a full year hadn't passed. I was even starting to wonder if I'd gone crazy but a librarian was able to pull the old TIME magazine out that listed the first reason (she'd forgotten it herself until she saw the cover) and to make a long story short the original reason (and a handful that followed) were only played for a short while. So when people relaxed (often on drugs--I mean the legal and prescribed kinds as well) in front of the TV they entered a semi-hypnotic trance. As the earlier reasons weren't popular with the American people the White House kept changing it until "liberating the Iraqi people" was one Americans could get behind and so that reason was then played over and over, and Americans were literally hypnotized to believe that was the reason from the very start (I expect it would have affected me as well but I didn't watch TV at all back then nor paid attention to "sound byte" news on the radio which is why I was among the few who remembered what so many around me had forgotten).

posted February 19, 2015 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would think he had a Leo ASC

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Not at all. Of all the choices for Asc signs, Leo is certainly not one of them. Gemini or Cancer are more likely in that mid-day area. Gemini would be one of the rising signs I'd favor for him. Possible that Neptune at 6PIS44 on the day of his suspension, Feb. 11th, is squaring an Asc in a mutable sign (not Virgo or Pisces).

The longish head, crooked grin and overall impression of sincerity allow for possibly Saturn [22 south] to aspect the Asc, which would put it in Cancer/Gem or Capricorn/Sag.

Asc in either Gem or Cancer would put prog Moon pretty well in opposition to natal or prog Neptune, which seems to fit his suspension, which can be a time of nebulous status and personal doubt. It would also put prog Uranus 14LEO18 within range of near exact square to natal Sun.

Saturn transit at 19 South declination is parallel his natal Jupiter, regardless of what his b.t./Asc is.

Six months of suspension generally equates to Saturn's term in transit. In six months Saturn will be back to 28 Scorpio, suggesting that the current transit of Saturn 4+ Sag square Neptune -7 Pisces points to his Asc (or MC) in a mutable sign.

posted February 19, 2015 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Our memories are much more fragile and malleable than is comfortable to think about rather than being objective recording devices.

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posted February 19, 2015 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
The Reid Technique (IIRC the name of it correctly) was banned in several countries

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But do you think that was used on Williams?

What was that other mind-control program? MK Ultra? I don't think that was used on him either...I mean, what would be the motive?

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And apparently some people mistake even what they see in movies as real life.

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And this is not what I mean by normal brain function.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So when people relaxed (often on drugs--I mean the legal and prescribed kinds as well) in front of the TV they entered a semi-hypnotic trance.

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I agree how easy it is to brainwash people by bombarding them with lies, but that's different than just fabricating a huge whopper out of one's brain, like, "I got shot down in a helicopter."

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Apparently, as long as Brian Williams’ lies helped build the NBC News brand and the “Nightly News” ratings, nobody in charge chose to say anything. Now that he’s been caught, NBC News is finally taking action while telling what looks like a big fat lie of its own — the lie that NBC News didn’t know about this the whole time.

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The only thing worse for NBC's public relations than the head honcho's failure is the admission of an institutional failure. Williams has no choice. He is the face of the franchise. He has to take the bullet. Let's not get so crazy as to call it a heroic act, but there is a poetry to it consistent with his reputation (until last week).

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What remains fascinating, however, is how the media's narrative continues to attach more weight to the statements of the pilot who contradicts Williams than the statements of the pilot who supports Williams. The tsunami of confirmation bias is a thing to behold. Of greater fascination is how the media echo complex is taking Williams' words, particularly the 2013 interviews on Letterman and Alec Baldwin's show – absent actual knowledge – labeling them as lies, and repeating them labeled as lies, when it seems the statements are in the first instance not untrue, and in the second instance completely true."

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Who knows.
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/brian-williams-and-the-smoking-gun -that-isnt-20150214?page=6

posted February 20, 2015 03:07 AM            

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But do you think that was used on Williams?

What was that other mind-control program? MK Ultra? I don't think that was used on him either...I mean, what would be the motive?

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In case it's a serious question then no, I think his memory is muddled. It doesn't take a lot for memories to warp over the years, especially if they're intense, and what is intensely imagined repeatedly can bleed over into what is remembered (I wonder if a moon-mercury combust could make that more likely). I was mainly giving cases how extreme our memories can deviate from the truth and it doesn't take that much to do it. If a person can be made to recall killing someone when they didn't in a short period of time--and it doesn't take MK-ULTRA to do it--then recalling being on the helicopter that you saw crash or downed is even less extreme, particularly given how many times he probably replayed that in his head with some intensity until one day he confused his thinking about it with his having lived it. Just because you don't understand it and never looked into how complex memory is doesn't mean that therefore it can't be true.

Furthermore, as a well seasoned reporter he should know better than to tell the whoppers he did. He has experience with fact checking and policies and thus would not be as tripped up over these things as you would because he KNOWS how it works, he's worked that system for years and he's interrogated and cross examined others as he's now being interrogated and cross examined himself. If these were deliberate lies then they were very stupid and short sighted on his part and frankly I'd hold him more in contempt for being that stupid rather than for being a liar...there are those in the media I consider habitual liars (I mean beyond the usual lies they tell if they want to keep their press passes) but they at least know how to tell their lies so that they rarely, if ever, trip over them and how to make those lies work for them even when called on them.

posted February 20, 2015 09:12 AM            

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I think his memory is muddled.

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Rolling Stone's theory is, he told his story to the script writers who changed it so that, when it came time to read it off the teleprompter, it wasn't what he had originally told them.

That's why he corrected himself the next day, saying his helicopter had just been hit with enemy fire.

There are sources saying he did and did not get fired at, but some media outlets are only quoting the ones who say, "He was not even fired at."

Rolling Stone is not the final authority but they have some credibility, and in their opinion, his memory wasn't muddled at all: the newsroom was, and it continues to be, so they are not reporting this whole fiasco objectively enough.

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posted February 20, 2015 07:56 PM            

Neptune's number. Glamour, mystery. Always more to these people than meets the eye.

posted February 20, 2015 08:04 PM            

Honestly I'm an aries moon but I know aries moon can lie to win. So is Mercury in aries

Also honestly that venus in gem.... His "value" = multiple perspectives weak Mars tribe neptune can be manipulative. Transit Saturn is on Jupiter square pluto. Luck runs out.

Any way, it might just be characters which is beyond astrology