posted March 02, 2015 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
I'm not that bothered about feeling "empowered" and crazy\manly like like most of todays women.

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Most women don't feel that way today. If they did the media (books, movies, TV series, women magazines, etc) would be very different. Many women refuse to even call themselves feminist (even when they say they hold feminist values, philosophically anyway as in it should be an option). I'd say plenty of women are crazy but not in the "manly" way of being crazy. (I have some fun stories of manly craziness that are distinct from female insanity, and let me just say now I will NEVER AGAIN dare ANY guy to take a sharp turn from the highway without slowing down, not when a grandfather accepted my dare nearly crashing his truck with me in it! )

IOW, you're pretty normal for a woman.

posted March 02, 2015 07:03 PM            

I don't mind them. I'd prefer to be the one who cooks and cleans anyways as men tend to be less thorough! I've tried the whole housewife thing and decided that it's just not for me, I'd rather work and help contribute more any day. I'm definitely the more protective one though, it's just the way I am. My chart is pretty much all masculine so that makes sense. Passive>Me, I wish I were passive lol.

The feminist crap that's going annoys the hell out of me. It's something I wish would go away but its not looking like it will anytime soon. I could go into detail why but I'll keep it to myself.

posted March 02, 2015 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Mine is also in the 9th! It's heavily aspected as well.

I don't mind them. I'd prefer to be the one who cooks and cleans anyways as men tend to be less thorough! I've tried the whole housewife thing and decided that it's just not for me, I'd rather work and help contribute more any day. I'm definitely the more protective one though, it's just the way I am. My chart is pretty much all masculine so that makes sense. Passive>Me, I wish I were passive lol.

The feminist crap that's going annoys the hell out of me. It's something I wish would go away but its not looking like it will anytime soon. I could go into detail why but I'll keep it to myself.

I'm weird, I'd rather be the one who's being romantic perhaps it's yet again all of the masculinity. I like to make others feel good and don't feel right when others try to with me. I'm all about serving others.

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posted March 02, 2015 07:17 PM            

I'm soooo sick of labels. We're all people why can't we be just that!? Why must we make these huge ordeals of everything! The answer lies in the media and it wanting segregation and upheaval.

posted March 02, 2015 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
The men I know with Mars in Cancer are attracted to strong women. They challenge traditional gender roles because they are the opposite of a "classic" hyper-masculine man.

Women with Cancer Mars are pretty traditional. But it really depends on their family and upbringing. They like to make their family proud of them. If they came from a family of surgeons, they could well become a surgeon - and be a 'career woman'. But eventually they usually choose to settle down and direct their attention to their kids and husband.

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posted March 02, 2015 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Choc:
If Mars in Cancer women think this way about feminism, I'd rather trade my Mars in Cancer with something else then. Damn.. Ignorance is not bliss.

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My mom feels the same exact way as you lol. My mom is a Cancer Mars, as well as Mercury and Venus, and yet she is one of the biggest feminists you will ever meet. She really got me into feminism when I was very young and I will forever be grateful for it. The only thing you could say she does that is more 'traditionally' the woman's role is making dinner each night. She has worked non-stop and doesn't plan to quit, has equal input on family decisions, makes and spends her own income, and oftentimes my parents will trade roles as to who is doing what as a parent- no restrictions or boundaries.

I think what I am most grateful for is the powerful knowledge she instilled in me to be independent, confident, and self-reliant without needing the approval or support from a man. Her worst nightmare, in her opinion, would be having daughters who are jobless, lacking formal education, relying on a man 100% financially, and relegating all decisions based on what the man wants.

posted March 02, 2015 10:45 PM            

If anything, I've found males (including my Cancer Mars cousin who said no one hurts me but him) to be much more supporting of me as independent and stand up for myself type than females have been. Not only have guys often found me more interesting but they seem less threatened and like not having to figure me out (that is if I want something I say it, don't make him guess the way many women will as the woman wants him to be dominant while doing as she wants on his own which frustrates many men). Quite a few men have come to me asking how to get their wives into guns and the like as well.

And just look at the difference between women as portrayed in man flicks and chick flicks, in the media especially aimed at men the women are often bad ass and the primarily male audience loves it ('course she shouldn't be more bad ass than the guy, but still no helpless damsel, though straw-feminist hating men who tend to be very insecure don't like it) whereas chick flicks for women are typically about her being saved by a man and focusing on her vulnerability. Even Ever After which tried to throw in some feminism and liberal ideas ended up falling on the same formula of a man saves her and her life is wonderful with the women who did her wrong paying after she gets married apparently no longer worried about her enlightened values (she just gets to help a little).

posted March 03, 2015 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Choc:
If Mars in Cancer women think this way about feminism, I'd rather trade my Mars in Cancer with something else then. Damn.. Ignorance is not bliss.

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What a simple statement...
You're unaware of the reasoning why we, those who've said that we don't care about feminism, feel that way. It has nothing to do with my Cancer Mars. Take your judgments and misconceptions elsewhere. You are absolutely entitled to feel whatever you like as every one else on this site can but don't go judging people when you aren't aware of their full reasoning for feeling the way they do. How contradicting, how ignorant.

posted March 03, 2015 02:32 AM            

It's always interesting to see the liberators of the oppressed, or the leaders and members of a movement seeking to free the oppressed, then define what freedom is, and make anyone who actually takes their freedom (even if it means going back to that, from which they were freed) feel small for being the human being they want to be.

posted March 03, 2015 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Mainstream feminism shouldn't be confused with fringe feminism, also known as straw feminism. Many on LL make that mistake and I wasn't going to bother pointing it out but since others are I hope this can at least make it obvious that people are defining feminism in different ways...and that there isn't one big "feminist borg" movement, especially when it comes to a woman taking care of herself given that feminists can even want men to be protective and speak up. Men (such as Patrick Stewart and I believe Leonard Nimoy) can be feminists, too, just as women can reject it (either in actuality, or in not having an accurate idea of what feminism is).

If anything, I've found males (including my Cancer Mars cousin who said no one hurts me but him) to be much more supporting of me as independent and stand up for myself type than females have been. Not only have guys often found me more interesting but they seem less threatened and like not having to figure me out (that is if I want something I say it, don't make him guess the way many women will as the woman wants him to be dominant while doing as she wants on his own which frustrates many men). Quite a few men have come to me asking how to get their wives into guns and the like as well.

And just look at the difference between women as portrayed in man flicks and chick flicks, in the media especially aimed at men the women are often bad ass and the primarily male audience loves it ('course she shouldn't be more bad ass than the guy, but still no helpless damsel, though straw-feminist hating men who tend to be very insecure don't like it) whereas chick flicks for women are typically about her being saved by a man and focusing on her vulnerability. Even Ever After which tried to throw in some feminism and liberal ideas ended up falling on the same formula of a man saves her and her life is wonderful with the women who did her wrong paying after she gets married apparently no longer worried about her enlightened values (she just gets to help a little).

'Course as it will need to be said exceptions both way exist, and it doesn't have to be one or the other...Stardust is an example of a strong but feminine woman where a guy saves her but there isn't anything submissive or weak about her.

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posted March 03, 2015 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Sorry if I'm talking about the wrong feminism even after you made the distinction PixieJane.

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Forgiven for this:

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I flunked Feminism (101). When they asked me what I want to be when I grow up, I kept saying, "my husband's sex slave".

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I'd probably say something like that...not because it's true, just because it's funny. But there are sex positive feminists and yeah, it's not all about "husbands bad" or how many women there are in video games and apparently the threads where it was something other than how people are describing it in this thread have all been conveniently forgotten so whatever.

I did snark at a fringe feminist self-defense class once and got some laughs from others (I also wrote some snark down on a written part but I have no idea what the reaction was to that, in that case only the feminists running it would have seen it and I never got it back). I should've known what it was when a college feminist organized the class and made admission free. It wasn't a total waste of time but as I ended up saying I'm glad the class was free. But no point in telling it without adding the context which I don't have the patience for right now.

Point is, the majority of women want a guy to take care of them which isn't surprising given that they've been raised on the idea since as early as they can remember and chick flicks and romances are typically true to that formula (the most a woman will do is "fix" a man so that he loves only her and thus takes care of her in gratitude, though of course it's presented in a romantic light and in the fantasy his "domination" is just doing what she wants anyway without being told and in real life getting displeased when men don't actually work out that way). There's no point in thinking that most women are "manly" (is that what women who aren't helpless are called?), I don't even see how one could think that was the case. The majority of the songs on the radio aren't about "girl power" (unless it's the power to make men helplessly want her), it's about loving and often surrendering to a man (or being hurt by one, etc). Those like me who can an do take care of ourselves without wanting to be ruled and taken care of are the strange ones.

Even Cosmo magazine started claiming it was feminist a couple of years or so ago (they were inspired by the most mind boggling idiotic things our politicians were saying about rape at the time that even had a friend of mine in South Africa emailing me asking if it was true or if the news in his country was BSing them, and sadly it was true, and you know it's bad when even people in South Africa say what a politician says is too ****** up to be believable and thus shouldn't be too surprising that not even Cosmo could let that stand) and yet it's still all about landing and getting a man with terrible relationship (typically manipulation rather than honesty) and bad sex advice (but then if they actually delivered then their readers would be in fulfilling relationships and thus have very little reason to read it anymore), sometimes with covers (vaguely pornographic and with some blatantly erotic subtitles on the cover) that make me surprised they're put in plain view.

posted March 03, 2015 11:13 AM            

Also everyone' has a different definition of being needy. I told someone I know that when I was a baby,if I want food I would start screaming on top of my lungs. She told me I was needy... She has Cancer Mars and moon. In my head I'm like no I just go after what I want instead of hinting to people...