posted March 06, 2015 02:08 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
If you've read my post carefully instead of focusing on one part and barking mindlessly like your husband maybe you would've noticed that I said something useful. You can cling to your result if that makes you feel smarter, I don't care. If one day you actually want to get it right then remember what that bad goat told you cause she might've been right. I will ignore you now but not this thread since I happen to be interested in this subject sooo enjoy reading my posts ^^

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My post didn't focus on one point in yours, Cappy. I read your post in its entirety. You were your rude, judgemental, aggressive, dictatorial self. None of your post was useful for me. Who made you the guru here? I could care less what assumptions you've made regarding my personality and/or what you think, Cappy. It's that simple. Clearly you care and shouldn't. I'd be willing to bet the same would go for the others you grilled in said post. I know who and what I am that's all that matters to me. I'd suggest talking to people like they're people and not lifeless mannequins and then maybe you'd be taken as serious. Try to be less cold and accusatory in your approach. You are in control of your head, your mind not the head or minds of others.

posted March 06, 2015 02:31 PM              

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Cappy,
I usually get INTJ but I got INTP on the test Barbie posted.

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posted March 06, 2015 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
INFP
ASC Vacca (Taurus)
SUN Gemini
MON Leo

I'm still wondering as to how that happened; the only guess I have is at least one Planet in all of my water houses and Poseidonas on the MC.

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Asc Scorpio
Sun Gemini
Moon Leo

Neptune Scorpio-Saturn Pisces-Venus Cancer

posted March 06, 2015 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I had my test taken in a professional setting during a corporate workshop on teamwork (the test results were used to explain the different kinds of working styles in various people who make up teams in real life). When the MBTI expert who did the testing discussed my results with me, he mentioned that the main difference between INTP and INTJ is the "creative chaos" approach of the INTP, whereas the INTJ is more structured and orderly when approaching a task. Maybe you could use this to differentiate by asking yourself: Are you more likely to do your work last minute / following a spontaneous inspiration / in a cluttered work environment full of drafts etc.? Or are you more likely to plan ahead / watch the schedule / give people regular reports on the progress of your work, etc.?

The MBTI advisor I talked to actually advised me to try and aim for becoming a little more like that (like an INTJ) because he said my preferred working style seems scary to many people, he said I should hide it a little because I give other, more structured people heart attacks, unless it's about working in a creative industry where it might not be considered unusual. He said INTP and ENTP types are often creative and usually have artistic ability - true in my case. He was very surprised to find an INTP in a technical environment and said it happens only very rarely. Anyway, maybe this info is helpful for finding your type.

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posted March 06, 2015 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Sounds exactly like me - always, at the beginning of something new, I try to be really good and structured about it - until the day I say, "f*ck it, I'll just do it my way and in my own time" - which always works for some reason, and with much better results than if I try the other thing. So…based on that I'd say I'm so cappy's hunch could be right about you being INTP. If you should have a problem taking direction from authority figures you find sub-par in terms of intellect/work ethics this would support the finding.

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posted March 06, 2015 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vajra:
[b] I had my test taken in a professional setting during a corporate workshop on teamwork (the test results were used to explain the different kinds of working styles in various people who make up teams in real life). When the MBTI expert who did the testing discussed my results with me, he mentioned that the main difference between INTP and INTJ is the "creative chaos" approach of the INTP, whereas the INTJ is more structured and orderly when approaching a task. Maybe you could use this to differentiate by asking yourself: Are you more likely to do your work last minute / following a spontaneous inspiration / in a cluttered work environment full of drafts etc.? Or are you more likely to plan ahead / watch the schedule / give people regular reports on the progress of your work, etc.?

The MBTI advisor I talked to actually advised me to try and aim for becoming a little more like that (like an INTJ) because he said my preferred working style seems scary to many people, he said I should hide it a little because I give other, more structured people heart attacks, unless it's about working in a creative industry where it might not be considered unusual. He said INTP and ENTP types are often creative and usually have artistic ability - true in my case. He was very surprised to find an INTP in a technical environment and said it happens only very rarely. Anyway, maybe this info is helpful for finding your type.

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posted March 06, 2015 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hmm…one last step to take might be asking someone who knows you well (friends or family) what your most annoying personality traits are. In my case, the complaints I hear are exactly those listed as negative traits in the INTP descriptions. (I'd say better take the negative as benchmark not the positive, and ask other people, not yourself, because most people have a tendency to claim positive traits for themselves but are often oblivious to their shortcomings.)

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posted March 06, 2015 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

Ahem. INFP-INFJ and ENFP-ENFJ have no functions in common so you either are extremely unstable or you're doing something wrong. I suppose it's the latter. If you care to know your type you should leave tests alone and go study the system.

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ENFP vs. ENFJ:

*In terms of the thinking function*

ENFP: Extroverted Thinking (Tertiary Te)-

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"Look, I organized all my movies by alphabetical order or time period! My socks are sorted by colors or fabrics. I enjoy having things organized, but have to focus to set up the system. I know this isn’t working right, and I want to fix it. I suspect this project will take me another couple of hours, but I’m going to give myself extra time just in case. Look, either you can prove aliens exist or you can’t, and if you can’t, they probably don’t exist. Let’s talk about this idea to see if it’s even possible, on a factual level. This is why I made my decision. I want to have a plan and follow through with it, but sometimes I forget what time it is or what the steps in the plan were. I probably shouldn’t improvise answers as much."

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ENFJ: Introverted Thinking (Inferior Ti)-

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"I want to be objective in our conversation, but I’m having a hard time not feeling upset that you have shut me out. I don’t feel comfortable discussing this person like they are a thing or a problem to be solved. How can you be so detached? That feels heartless to me! I want to get things right, so I will study this until I understand it, then take what I know and use it to help others reach their own understanding. I’m okay with calling a problem a problem, and willing to analyze it."

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*In terms of the feeling function*

ENFP: Introverted Feeling (Auxiliary Fi)-

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" I am happiest when staying true to what I believe and what I want for my life. I know what I want, what beliefs and ideals motivate me, and how I feel about something. This is good, and that is bad. I know you’re only pretending, because I can see right through you. How does this new belief measure up against my life, my goals, and my core values? I believe no one should enforce morality; it should be a conscious choice we make. I care very much about you. I am loyal to you. I have great enthusiasm and many feelings toward you, but I show it through actions rather than words. You don’t have to say anything for me to be able to connect to and understand your meaning. I am okay with silent affection."

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ENFJ: Extroverted Feeling (Dominant Fe)-

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"I am warm and enjoy taking care of people. I consider how decisions will impact everyone involved. Is there anything I can get you, to make you feel more comfortable? I can’t be with people who don’t treat others with respect. I want to acknowledge not only what each of you has done in the group as individuals, but also talk about what we can do, or have done, together! You did an awesome job with that; you are so talented. I don’t approve of what you are doing, because it’s inappropriate and will have a bad impact on others, but I am willing to talk it through and will accept your apology, without any bad feelings. I feel so at ease offering affirmation, and am deeply hurt when others don’t do the same. I want everyone to be happy, but am not afraid to say what I feel if I need to."

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*In terms of the intuition function*

ENFP: Extroverted Intuition (Dominant Ne)-

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" So, what you are REALLY saying, even though you’re disguising it behind ******** , is this. Do you want to know what writing desks and ravens have in common? Are you sure that this is the right decision? Because I have five other possible interpretations, and it would be a shame not to consider them all. I simply know how this works, and what you are really up to. Let’s talk about ideas! I want to tell you mine and hear yours! I know this idea doesn’t seem related to our discussion, but I think it ties in. I can sum up our concept in a metaphor. I can think of five different things at once! I can pick up your facial expressions and accent without even thinking about it. Let me tell you a story…"

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ENFJ: Introverted Intuition (Auxiliary Ni)-

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"I feel very strongly that this is about to happen, and I intend to use my foreknowledge to do something about it. No, I am not surprised this happened. I knew it would. I am not going to support that company, because they will go under in six months. This person is not worth my time, because they are dishonest and I know they will betray me. Last night, I didn’t know what to do… but now, suddenly, the answer is staring me in the face! I know what to do to accomplish everything! You can’t fool me, because I can see your true self. People tell me that my advice is profound and insightful. I sometimes hide what I know, when I know it, because it freaks people out."

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*In terms of the sensing function*

ENFP: Introverted Sensing (Inferior Si)-

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"I haven’t the faintest idea where that paper went. I had it five minutes ago. No, I didn’t remember that it’s your birthday… but I wanted to remember! I did a bunch of research on the Tudor period, but I need to dig up my notes for the details. I don’t want to talk about the past; it hurts too much. Show me how you did it, and then I’ll try it. I’m not a big fan of Christmas family gatherings, but I kind of miss the wonder of Christmas as a child. Don’t tell anyone, but sometimes I long for a normal life and a white picket fence. How… how did I remember the name of that fictional character in the cartoon I used to watch when I was a kid? That’s random!"

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ENFJ: Extroverted Sensing (Tertiary Se)-

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"I like expensive stuff and I always make room for it in my life. I’m taking you to the best restaurant tonight; yes, it’s expensive, but the food is to die for. I don’t like that painting; it’s hideous. It may take me a moment, but I’ll get the hang of things quickly and you’ll never know I haven’t been doing this for years. I never trip over anything, because I know where everything is. Let’s do something fun this weekend, something physical. I want to feel the burn in my legs! I don’t mind taking risks, because it’s fun to get an adrenaline rush. I’m not going to lose this game; if I play, I play to win. It takes hard work to look this good."

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INFP vs. INFJ:

*In terms of the thinking function*

INFP: Extroverted Thinking (Inferior Te)-

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"I know I had that information before, but I’m not sure where it is. I long to be efficient, but I can’t seem to pull it off. I do like organizing my books, though; they have their own system! I don’t like schedules, but they help me stay on track. Oh, this is wrong! I know I’m forgetting something! I should be more organized! I like to be efficient, and try to use my time wisely, and I enjoy having some sense of control over my life and environment."

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INFJ: Introverted Thinking (Tertiary Ti)-

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"I am interested in learning how to make things run more smoothly and efficiently. Please be as clear and concise in your explanation as possible, so the message isn’t lost in theatricality. I’m sorry, but I see a logical inconsistency in the statement you just made; may I point it out to you so we can talk about it? I really love thinking about my ideas (Ni) and experiences (Si), and analyzing them to see what meaning they hold for me, and why. I’m good at putting a name to what is happening around me.

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*In terms of the feeling function*

INFP: Introverted Feeling (Dominant Fi)-

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"I know that this is good, and that is bad. I know that you’re not who you say you are. I don’t need to focus on that particular idea, because it is less important than this other idea or belief. I want to focus on what is important, and I can see the measure of importance of everything in my life: people, causes, thoughts, actions, and feelings. Does this belief conflict with mine? Do I think this action is wrong? If so, I won’t do it. I know what I believe and what is worth believing in. Please, let me have some time to mull over this life-altering decision. I don’t want to make the wrong choice. I feel strong and confident in who I am, and what I believe. I have total faith in you. I know what you need, and will stand up for you when you need me to. I am good at protecting others and showing patience in mediating between them."

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INFJ: Extroverted Feeling (Auxiliary Fe)-

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"I know what is important to you, and can support you in it, provided it doesn’t hurt others. I’m not always comfortable taking sides. Can we talk about this and reach a compromise that keeps everyone happy? I don’t want to upset people, and I can easily fit into a group and make everyone feel wanted and involved. Your emotions can influence mine, so I am careful not to let too many people in. I want to take care of you, and protect you. You are so talented. I hope you know that, and how much I like you. I’m happy to serve, but feel better when I get how I feel off my chest and out into the open."

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*In terms of the intuition function*

INFP: Extroverted Intuition (Auxiliary Ne)-

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"Your life has so much potential! I can see many different possibilities for your future! Let me share them with you! There is more than one way to look at this situation. It would be a shame not to talk about them all. That’s a great idea, but what about this? Or this? Or that? Let’s discuss and consider them all. I have an analogy that fits this situation, but you’ll have to hang in there to the end, because at first it will sound random. I promise, it isn’t! Let me paint the big picture for you! Let’s try this, it’s new and it’s crazy but it might work! Yes, I thought you might make that decision / that this would happen. Excuse me, I need to write a story…"

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INFJ: Introverted Intuition (Dominant Ni)-

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"No, I haven’t learned this before. I just know how to do it, that’s all. Let me guess what that means… am I right? Yes! I knew it! You can’t ask me to stop thinking about the future; I think about it all the time! That person is going to do that, and this will happen as a result. I am not wrong. You wait and see. (Told you!) I don’t like this, it didn’t happen the way I anticipated it would! No, I don’t want to change my plan at the last minute! How can I fix this? Where did I go wrong? I have a creative way to explain this process to you! Interpreting symbolism comes easily to me. Visualizing my goals, and my future, makes me happy and energizes me! I can see where I want to be, and where I am, and come up with each step necessary to reach my dreams."

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*In terms of the sensing function*

INFP: Introverted Sensing (Tertiary Si)-

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"I love to revisit things that have given me joy in the past. Going to the same museums, watching the same favorite old movies, and thinking about an old idea is a lot of fun for me. I’d actually rather go to the tea shop again than try out a new hot spot. I find history interesting. Oh, do you want to know everything I learned about Ancient Egypt / the Klingon Conflict? I have all the details right here! I have a box of Star Wars memorabilia in my closet. Oh, I remember that smell… this tastes like my grandmother’s cookies… no, that’s not how “they’re” is spelled. I like familiar things and when I am upset, they comfort me."

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INFJ: Extroverted Sensing (Inferior Se)-

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"My awareness of my environment gives me “clues” about other people, which feed my intuition, but the less I pay attention to the people and things around me, the more wrong my conclusions are. I sometimes feel overwhelmed with too much sensory information all at once; can we put away the disco ball and turn the music down? I wasn’t sure I would like that scary ride, but I did! I’m going again! I really want to see my dreams become real, and I’m willing to do all the hard work required to make it so. I like learning things that help me be stronger and more fit."

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posted March 06, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Admit it, aquaguy: You want the MBTI guys to invent an entirely new category all for yourself, which nobody else can be classified in!

However, here's a difference to my type: I'm actually very good at reacting quickly to unanticipated things. I even secretly love it when the schedule is wrecked by some emergency, gives me a kind of kick. I feel most alive in such scenarios…was told this is the "P" at work. You not liking such things could point towards "J"….tough choice.

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posted March 06, 2015 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
True, that would point more towards INTP…I'm the same way, always double-check my results and even though I know everything's alright I still have this nagging doubt somewhere that I missed a crucial piece of evidence…or made a stupid mistake….which is very exasperating. BTW, I too have Saturn and Sun in the same sign and almost conjunct…just out of orb (11 degrees). They're in the 8th house. Somehow it does feel as if they were conjunct; makes me wonder whether larger orbs shouldn't be used in such a case.

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posted March 06, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
You play the ukulele?! Cool! Just curious, why learn the ukulele and not another instrument?

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