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Topic: PLEASE stop saying that your Ascendant is JUST A MASK!!
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 05:41 PM
You really believe that the exact location of where the Sun shines in the sky at the exact time of your birth is really JUST a mask?Nuff said.. Good day to all :-) IP: Logged |
Dreaminess Knowflake Posts: 362 From: norway Registered: Aug 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 05:49 PM
What is your ascendant?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 18598 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 31, 2015 05:50 PM
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dreaminess: What is your ascendant?
Aquarius rising libra moon leo sun
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:04 PM
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60983 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 31, 2015 06:19 PM
I think it is a posture we show to the world.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I think it is a posture we show to the world.
I think it reveals our soul frequency as well as what we are here to give to the world on a personal level IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60983 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 31, 2015 06:32 PM
I am a Libra ASC. I GO about life as a Libra. I try to always have win/win outcomes. I am soft spoken, have good manners etc lolHowever, deep inside, I am more my Sun and Moon. It is kind of a persona but it is stuck on imo We act from it but it is not the deepest core of us imo ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I am a Libra ASC. I GO about life as a Libra. I try to always have win/win outcomes. I am soft spoken, have good manners etc lolHowever, deep inside, I am more my Sun and Moon. It is kind of a persona but it is stuck on imo We act from it but it is not the deepest core of us imo
I see your opinion. But from what I have seen and in my own life i disagree. We say that it is not our core because we don't FEEL it. Houses are realities, planets are influences. We feel planets, but our houses especially our 4 points (asc/dc/mc/ic) are not about what we feel, it is simply the reality we are born into. So its common we may feel our sun more. IP: Logged |
bananaz Newflake Posts: 16 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted March 31, 2015 06:45 PM
Can you explain NYC dodger?I'm trying to learn. Pisces sun/ aries ascendant here. Sometimes I feel like a wise old person stuck inside the veneer of a little child. I don't feel very aries at all. The way i speak for example sounds like a little girl. It doesn't reflect my inner voice. I've always assumed the ascendant is like a mask. I'd like to know how to differentiate the sun and ascendant, so any insight you can pass my way would be much appreciated. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 2710 From: Neptune with PisceanDream, Faith, and Meissieri Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:47 PM
Spoken like a true Aquarius ASC! I agree. Mask implies that I am hiding something about myself, and let me tell you as a first house stellium- Nah. You see it all whether you like it or not! Lmao. IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1198 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted March 31, 2015 06:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: hallelujah
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 06:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Can you explain NYC dodger?I'm trying to learn. Pisces sun/ aries ascendant here. Sometimes I feel like a wise old person stuck inside the veneer of a little child. I don't feel very aries at all. The way i speak for example sounds like a little girl. It doesn't reflect my inner voice. I've always assumed the ascendant is like a mask. I'd like to know how to differentiate the sun and ascendant, so any insight you can pass my way would be much appreciated.
Basically what I'm saying is that the planets are influences, while the houses are "realities". We feel planets because they influence us. No one is just one sign. EVERYONE is every sign. All 12. They are just in different areas of our life. Your Sun is in your 12th house, it would be completely different if it was in your 5th house. Houses are the "what", planets are the "how". Your rising shows the conditions of your present life (transits etc..), your Sun shows what particular aspects in your life will influence you and where they will come from Hope that makes sense IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2302 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted March 31, 2015 07:09 PM
You are the Ascendant and the Ascendant is YOU. <<-- That was not a philosophical statement. The Ascendant is the individual. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 413 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 07:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: You are the Ascendant and the Ascendant is YOU. <<-- That was not a philosophical statement. The Ascendant is the individual.
Exactly. All I'm saying is its deeper than just a "mask". It lays out the entire conditions the "self" will go through. Planets may emphasize certain places and we will feel them. But the rising sign and where the other 11 houses are display more of a "fated" kind of thing. IP: Logged |
bananaz Newflake Posts: 16 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted March 31, 2015 07:27 PM
Okay. I KIND OF get it. Lol I understand the part about the transits. Obviously we need the ascendant to map out our birth charts, conditions of present life, etc. The part I don't get is where the ascendant begins and the sun ends when it comes to our persona. Are you saying we are a mixture of our sun and ascendant and that both of those signs are influencing the essential "makeup" of who we are? If that's the case, what exactly is an ascendant? Is it an added layer of energy? If it's not the surface of who we are, what is it? IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 4752 From: Registered: Nov 2013
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posted March 31, 2015 07:40 PM
Good stuff! I was wondering because yeah, I don't FEEL it. I'm still unsure of it's true purpose. I get that it sets up our house system and all but the asc itself. Basically a mystery to me. IP: Logged |
Blind writer Knowflake Posts: 539 From: Texas, USA Registered: May 2012
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posted March 31, 2015 08:25 PM
I consider the AC as your foundation (or core), whereas the SUN is like your engine. You function fundamentally as your AC, but your SUN is where you feel the most, because that is where you are actively pouring (or receiving) all your energy - therefore, it's what you most readily and consciously identify with. It's like the lens of your soul, that gives you your final character.The first house is your basic identity, like the pattern you were born with. The SUN illuminates based on sign and house how you express your identity. Hope that helps clarify. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 4031 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted March 31, 2015 08:45 PM
My Asc for me is how my physical body looks and is perceived. Its how I present myself to people. Its how people react at first glance to me. In reality the physical body isn't much substance. It is the flesh and the flesh withers and dies (unless you become the Christ). Also I thought the planets are 'What' and the houses are 'How'?
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Supreme cT Knowflake Posts: 734 From: NJ Registered: Jan 2014
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posted March 31, 2015 09:27 PM
I agree i really feel my ascendant strongly im an aquarius rising and also aquarius moon I also see how strongly aquarius is in my appearance and way that i carry myself i have an electric type of energy i love it, i can talk to random strangers or people and instantly feel comfortable and treat them like a friend its very natural to me and considering im a scorpio sun/cancer mars i should be more reserved but i feel my aqua energy more the older and more mature i become BUT i also can see how im just "different" i look at situations and do things in different ways than others normally see, i even started growing dreads i just couldnt stand the average hair cut that pretty much everyone has i dont like it i cant help it lmao I get along very well with other air ascendants and fire ascendants most of my friends that i have the birth times for are gem and libra ascendants and sag ascendants IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2302 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted March 31, 2015 10:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Good stuff! I was wondering because yeah, I don't FEEL it. I'm still unsure of it's true purpose. I get that it sets up our house system and all but the asc itself. Basically a mystery to me.
You're it. It was you who ascended @ xyoo hrs in Libra, Aquarius, Virgo... No you, no Asc. I believe I remember your placements; Sun in Leo, Moon in Gemini, Libra Asc. This would be read as, at birth the Sun was in Leo, the Moon was in Gemini, and YOU were in Libra. So, you're Libra with a Leo Sun, and a Gemini Moon. IP: Logged |
bananaz Newflake Posts: 16 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted March 31, 2015 11:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: You're it. It was you who ascended @ xyoo hrs in Libra, Aquarius, Virgo... No you, no Asc.I believe I remember your placements; Sun in Leo, Moon in Gemini, Libra Asc. This would be read as, at birth the Sun was in Leo, the Moon was in Gemini, and YOU were in Libra. So, you're Libra with a Leo Sun, and a Gemini Moon.
That's crazy. I've never thought about it that way before and that makes sense. I'm thinking maybe I just don't feel mine because it's on the cusp. If I had been born 4 minutes earlier, I would've had a pisces ASC.
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Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 567 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted April 01, 2015 12:33 AM
I just can't tell. I don't think I look like a Scorpio. I do probably have the eyes for it though, but then again, Neptune in the 1st, so...Temperament wise, is it my Scorpio Asc, or my 8th house sun? Ugh! Everything is so connected in my chart anyway. Asc at 0° Scorpio, Trine Venus in Cancer Rx Trine Saturn Pisces sR With Neptune in Scorpio 1st Rx... (Yes, water is the only element in my chart that has placements in all three signs, and they are ALL retrograde!) Sun in the 8th. My eyes are closed. You can't see me! Lol! Hi, I'm a Gemini sun/Leo moon. No, really! I could wear a neon sign and you wouldn't see it... IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5821 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 01, 2015 12:33 AM
Look at it this way... Your AC is like the front of your literal home.... When ppl pull up to your house what do they see? What are you showing everyone about who you are? What color is your house? Did you plant flowers? Is it neat and tidy? Is it a cottage in woods, a bungalow in suburbs or a downtown loft? The outside of your home expresses who you are to an extent, it tells some of your story...it's not the whole story but it still gives a good idea of how you express yourself. It shows how you like or want to be seen as a person, no matter what's going on inside, day to day. You always want to keep what others see, the outside, relatively consistent. Another words, you don't want neighbors, ppl your not comfortable with or just 'anyone' seeing your internal drama, your emotional "dirty laundry"! The AC hides your day to day, personal planet drama behind a consistent personality that is easily shown to ppl who are not close enough to share your more intimate things. Your intimate family, friends and closer contacts dont see your AC as much as ppl you are less close to unless your AC touches your personal planets like mine. Through your AC we can't see that you've been working on deeply personal issues, just like from the front of your house we can't see you've been depressed and have not done the dishes for a few days. We can't see that your letting go by cleaning out all your closets or that your still so attached that you kept your great grandmas wedding dress for decades, hidden in your closet, because you loved her that much!! You would have to open the door and let is in for us to know that. The entire house tells who you are as a whole. I relate the houses in your natal chart to rooms in your literal home. Where your planets fall says a lot about how you function and focus your energies room by room in your home. The Sun- What house/room does your ego/sun sit in...I would identify the Sun with your bedroom(for me) because my bedroom is where I feel the safest and most able to understand myself to see my value. In my bedroom is where I soul search and think so that I can find myself(funny my sun falls in my 2nd but on my 3rd house cusp, what I value about myself and the house of the mind come together and identify who I am) Personally I feel I am here to use my mind...I am meant to dissect what I have experienced in my life and heal soulful pains through what I learn. Then to help others do the same that's who I am. Ppl won't see this in me as much as I feel it, unless they come into my very personal space, my bedroom, because they want to see life through my eyes and learn who I am. Saggy Sun in 2nd, cusp of 3rd The Moon- How do you nurture yourself and others? I feel mom/moon is all over the house. She is everywhere and nowhere, she belongs nowhere and everywhere. Mom is nurturing throughout the whole house taking care of everything never missing a detail in order to make life better. Which room is my mom/moon in? Virgo moon in 12th Moon and it's house shows the areas of life you will spend a great deal of time being nurtured, needing to nurture or nurturing within yourself. Mercury- My mind is conjunct my ego on my 3rd house cusp, intensifying my need to identify myself through my thoughts. Saggy Merc conjunct Sun Venus- How do I love?? I wish it was sitting in the back of my house shared only with ppl who enter and shut the door behind them....but my Venus is sitting on my front porch for everyone to see. I can't hide my love for others, it's always out there for everyone to see. Ppl use that to hurt me or they appreciate it...either way its still there. I can't help that it's sitting on the front porch like a welcome mat! (used to be a door mat but I upgraded it, lol) Libra Venus in 1st Mars- Mars is what drives you....in my home I'm driven by the desire to understand my heart, to understand how my heart and it's energy affects the universe around me. Ppl don't see this when they first meet me, they have to talk to me and listen to my research. They would have to join in my home and come into my study...where I read and travel the universe in my head, heart and my books. They would have to want to understand me as I am while I'm devouring the information that allows me to understand the big picture of life. Gemini Mars in 9th house. Etc, etc..... Your not going to let just anyone come into your home to see all your personal places, but they can drive by and learn some about you just by your outside appearance. Yes, the outside does say a lot about you, it's the 'You' you want everyone to see so they know just enough about you but not so much that you feel exposed. It's your more private things that are kept behind the closed doors and are meant only for the special ppl you invite into your home. Then some you invite even deeper into your rooms to share who you are on the deepest levels.
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Valentine Knowflake Posts: 100 From: Canada Registered: Dec 2014
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posted April 01, 2015 01:12 AM
Thanks Gabby, for the good explanation.IP: Logged |