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4lifephrases
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posted April 08, 2015 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astra7 :
It isn't personal but I sort of knew it was coming back to me and regretting my post, coming off as judging type. I don't mean to judge. Sorry I don't mean to guess you but try to understand you. You have not mentioned anything about yourself. Why? What ? Who ? It is sad that people around you going through bad relationship who are Scorpio. It also might be that Saturn was in /is in Scorpio and Scorpio had to deal quiet a lot in last 2 and half years. Be empathetic to people who might have gone through bad time rather than saying they are bad in relationship. That's all I am saying.

If you do not like to be judged and labelled. Remember others don't as well.

You have decided to blame it on somebody being Scorpio ( to me it is bit lame !)
Post their charts or whatever this forum is quiet open like that. Thank you for posting your query.

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posted April 08, 2015 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't this obvious? They are self-destructive like no other sign. What they build up, they can destroy in one second.

Actually I don't really get why, but it just seems to be this way to a lot of scorpio sun/moon or venus people.

I'm a scorpio venus myself, and I have this tendency too, though I am in a nice relationship now. But he is a libra sun/venus, can't get rid of libra types

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posted April 08, 2015 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Isn't this obvious? They are self-destructive like no other sign. What they build up, they can destroy in one second.

Actually I don't really get why, but it just seems to be this way to a lot of scorpio sun/moon or venus people.

I'm a scorpio venus myself, and I have this tendency too, though I am in a nice relationship now. But he is a libra sun/venus, can't get rid of libra types


Isn't destruction necessary for growth ?
OR are you self harming because you think you do not deserve relationship ?

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posted April 08, 2015 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Isn't this obvious? They are self-destructive like no other sign. What they build up, they can destroy in one second.

Actually I don't really get why, but it just seems to be this way to a lot of scorpio sun/moon or venus people.

I'm a scorpio venus myself, and I have this tendency too, though I am in a nice relationship now. But he is a libra sun/venus, can't get rid of libra types



In which case, all the testing won't be necessary! lol
Though I can imagine testing is something that they need to do. Logic!? lol

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posted April 08, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have felt in fact opposite testing because of being Scorpio. Everybody tests these days whether you are compatible or not. I know loud Leos , chatty Gemini do it and even sensitive Pisces do it...more than Scorpio do it. It is very subtle not forthright but it is there. Nobody trusts anyone and it is rather unfortunate that trust has been one of the hardest commodity due to news on the television or internet / horror stories whatever.

True. I'm a chatty Gemini and yes, I test. Stereotypical Gemini things; I test for intelligence, willingness to communicate. How much they'll let me initiate/lead conversation, and introduce new topics. I'm not looking for agreement, just someone engaging. I also look for a willingness to talk taboo - religion and politics at work, gossip. These are the daring people I feel closest to.

Scorpios, who I'm sexually very attracted to, often fail my tests. No!! You cannot get me with innuendo & allure alone! I have other needs too.

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posted April 08, 2015 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by next to neptune:
[b]Isn't this obvious? They are self-destructive like no other sign. What they build up, they can destroy in one second.

Actually I don't really get why, but it just seems to be this way to a lot of scorpio sun/moon or venus people.

I'm a scorpio venus myself, and I have this tendency too, though I am in a nice relationship now. But he is a libra sun/venus, can't get rid of libra types



In which case, all the testing won't be necessary! lol
Though I can imagine testing is something that they need to do. Logic!? lol

[/B][/QUOTE]

Somebody afraid of testing eh ?
Testing is like knowing somebody. It is like game of chess. You have same amount of pieces but it is essential to know who is what ? Imagine you didn't know what bishop did, queen did or king did.

It is easier to give somebody they want rather than they don't want. To understand somebody's needs isn't bad thing, it is good thing.

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posted April 08, 2015 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine:
True. I'm a chatty Gemini and yes, I test. Stereotypical Gemini things; I test for intelligence, willingness to communicate. How much they'll let me initiate/lead conversation, and introduce new topics. I'm not looking for agreement, just someone engaging. I also look for a willingness to talk taboo - religion and politics at work, gossip. These are the daring people I feel closest to.

Scorpios, who I'm sexually very attracted to, often fail my tests. No!! You cannot get me with innuendo & allure alone! I have needs too.


To each its own.

I have dated Gemini men or even Gemini influence and do find charming but too flaky for my taste.

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posted April 08, 2015 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
I've come acrossed a woman who went to have a baby and 8 month later, she found out that her OH is just too obsessive and even got a restriction order issued by the court. *rolleyes*

Can you extrapolate on this, please?
I'm not sure where the obsession comes from and from whom? And what does it have to do with the topic at hand (are they a Scorpio?)
Just trying to understand.

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Which makes me think..."Is there point in their scrupulous tests?"

The thing is, "the point" isn't necessarily what the Scorpio is after. What we're after is - "knowledge" that we can/cannot trust you, and how you deal with conflict/challenges (and our needs).

I believe most Scorpios/Scorpio influenced people don't "test" others 100% consciously or by mere "manipulation", although that is very often part of it. The urge to "test" comes from a very genuine, feeling-based place - the fear of Other and what Other can do to us, how they can hurt us (betrayal, lies, non-committal attitude, etc).

If the Scorpio isn't too unhealthy, such "testing" will mainly happen if we feel slighted or in danger - we will then provoke a reaction, consciously or not, waiting to see how you deal with whatever we "put you through" (could be something like becoming cold/distant for "seemingly no reason" or acting mean/rude - keep in mind those ways aren't very mature and any mature Scorpio would quickly confront the other person directly about the issue, although initially the coldness/distance is almost always inevitable, that's how we deal with things - by "amputating" our own pain, and showing you our shell. Being vulnerable is difficult, especially in the presence of someone).

The reason relationships can fail for Scorpios is our lack of explicit communication. Water signs in general can be difficult when it comes to actually sorting things out in a clear way. We tend to shut down when hurt and then act out instead of talking about the reason why we're hurt (said reasons can of course be exaggerated in our minds; we have a tendency to assume a lot of things without having a confirmation, that's the shadow side of Scorpio energy (more info here ).

Of course there are the kinds of Scorpios that test and manipulate people just for the hell of it, for kicks and giggles; feeling "powerful" by playing mind games, but that's definitely not the type of behavior an emotionally fulfilled Scorpio would engage in.

Hope this helps some.

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posted April 12, 2015 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The thing is, "the point" isn't necessarily what the Scorpio is after. What we're after is - "knowledge" that we can/cannot trust you, and how you deal with conflict/challenges (and our needs).

I believe most Scorpios/Scorpio influenced people don't "test" others 100% consciously or by mere "manipulation", although that is very often part of it. The urge to "test" comes from a very genuine, feeling-based place - the fear of Other and what Other can do to us, how they can hurt us (betrayal, lies, non-committal attitude, etc).

If the Scorpio isn't too unhealthy, such "testing" will mainly happen if we feel slighted or in danger - we will then provoke a reaction, consciously or not, waiting to see how you deal with whatever we "put you through" (could be something like becoming cold/distant for "seemingly no reason" or acting mean/rude - keep in mind those ways aren't very mature and any mature Scorpio would quickly confront the other person directly about the issue, although initially the coldness/distance is almost always inevitable, that's how we deal with things - by "amputating" our own pain, and showing you our shell. Being vulnerable is difficult, especially in the presence of someone).

The reason relationships can fail for Scorpios is our lack of explicit communication. Water signs in general can be difficult when it comes to actually sorting things out in a clear way. We tend to shut down when hurt and then act out instead of talking about the reason why we're hurt (said reasons can of course be exaggerated in our minds; we have a tendency to assume a lot of things without having a confirmation, that's the shadow side of Scorpio energy (more info here ).

Of course there are the kinds of Scorpios that test and manipulate people just for the hell of it, for kicks and giggles; feeling "powerful" by playing mind games, but that's definitely not the type of behavior an emotionally fulfilled Scorpio would engage in.

Hope this helps some.


Doux Rêve... You are right but to me on possibly why we or anybody test and I am really glad you are so in tune with shadow / negative traits.

It creates bleak picture.There has to be sign which isn't understood and dangerous.
Too sad ! Honestly...maybe because all Sag in me. It just feels no wonder people are scared of Scorpios and articles like this nowhere help them. I have seen same traits in Capricorn with Scorpio ninth house.

Scorpio test...lol...ooh...ooh...so scary...!!!

Nothing scares me more than scared people.
You spent entire time just reassuring and convincing them.Yuck !

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posted April 13, 2015 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The thing is, "the point" isn't necessarily what the Scorpio is after. What we're after is - "knowledge" that we can/cannot trust you, and how you deal with conflict/challenges (and our needs).

I believe most Scorpios/Scorpio influenced people don't "test" others 100% consciously or by mere "manipulation", although that is very often part of it. The urge to "test" comes from a very genuine, feeling-based place - the fear of Other and what Other can do to us, how they can hurt us (betrayal, lies, non-committal attitude, etc).

If the Scorpio isn't too unhealthy, such "testing" will mainly happen if we feel slighted or in danger - we will then provoke a reaction, consciously or not, waiting to see how you deal with whatever we "put you through" (could be something like becoming cold/distant for "seemingly no reason" or acting mean/rude - keep in mind those ways aren't very mature and any mature Scorpio would quickly confront the other person directly about the issue, although initially the coldness/distance is almost always inevitable, that's how we deal with things - by "amputating" our own pain, and showing you our shell. Being vulnerable is difficult, especially in the presence of someone).

The reason relationships can fail for Scorpios is our lack of explicit communication. Water signs in general can be difficult when it comes to actually sorting things out in a clear way. We tend to shut down when hurt and then act out instead of talking about the reason why we're hurt (said reasons can of course be exaggerated in our minds; we have a tendency to assume a lot of things without having a confirmation, that's the shadow side of Scorpio energy (more info here ).

Of course there are the kinds of Scorpios that test and manipulate people just for the hell of it, for kicks and giggles; feeling "powerful" by playing mind games, but that's definitely not the type of behavior an emotionally fulfilled Scorpio would engage in.

Hope this helps some.


Agreed.

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posted April 13, 2015 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Can you extrapolate on this, please?
I'm not sure where the obsession comes from and from whom? And what does it have to do with the topic at hand (are they a Scorpio?)
Just trying to understand.

Yes, she is a scorpio.
Obsession/manipulation/control issues come from her (ex) partner. Not looking after the family financially, taken her possession etc.
Her story was just an example to start off the thread since I am talking about Scorpio relationships. I know of others but there's no point in listing many.

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The thing is, "the point" isn't necessarily what the Scorpio is after. What we're after is - "knowledge" that we can/cannot trust you, and how you deal with conflict/challenges (and our needs).

I believe most Scorpios/Scorpio influenced people don't "test" others 100% consciously or by mere "manipulation", although that is very often part of it. The urge to "test" comes from a very genuine, feeling-based place - the fear of Other and what Other can do to us, how they can hurt us (betrayal, lies, non-committal attitude, etc).

If the Scorpio isn't too unhealthy, such "testing" will mainly happen if we feel slighted or in danger - we will then provoke a reaction, consciously or not, waiting to see how you deal with whatever we "put you through" (could be something like becoming cold/distant for "seemingly no reason" or acting mean/rude - keep in mind those ways aren't very mature and any mature Scorpio would quickly confront the other person directly about the issue, although initially the coldness/distance is almost always inevitable, that's how we deal with things - by "amputating" our own pain, and showing you our shell. Being vulnerable is difficult, especially in the presence of someone).

The reason relationships can fail for Scorpios is our lack of explicit communication. Water signs in general can be difficult when it comes to actually sorting things out in a clear way. We tend to shut down when hurt and then act out instead of talking about the reason why we're hurt (said reasons can of course be exaggerated in our minds; we have a tendency to assume a lot of things without having a confirmation, that's the shadow side of Scorpio energy (more info here ).

Of course there are the kinds of Scorpios that test and manipulate people just for the hell of it, for kicks and giggles; feeling "powerful" by playing mind games, but that's definitely not the type of behavior an emotionally fulfilled Scorpio would engage in.

Hope this helps some.


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