posted April 07, 2015 07:56 AM            

I can start of by saying that the Vertex is a fated point. The vertex shows what fate will bring you, both by what is present in your OWN natal and by looking at your synastry with key people in your life. I already knew about the synastry part of the vertex. I have an article on it. I have seen it play out. For example, if one person is a spiritual messenger to another, the spiritual messenger’s Neptune may be an exact conjunction to the other person’s Vertex. I have seen this in my own life. Find your Vertex on Astro.com. Then, start checking synastries and see what you bring to people and they to you.

The Anti-vertex point in your own chart shows more of YOUR contribution to your life and your fate, in that sense. This is what makes the Anti-vertex more like your ASC than the vertex. The Anti-vertex is YOUR contribution to fate. The vertex is OTHER people’s and life’s contribution to your fate.

Let me give some examples. I want to say that I am a beginner with the Anti-vertex and the vertex’s role in the natal chart, so please add anything to the Comment Section and know that I am writing from the vantage point of a newbie.

One woman had Nessus and Child conjunct the Vertex. She had Venus and Union conjunct the Anti-Vertex. That was one of the reasons that she contacted me for a chart reading. She was afraid that Nessus conjunct the Vertex would make her an abusive person. I did not know how to deal with this issue, so started researching this subject and that is how I came to write this article. My conclusion was that Nessus conjunct the Vertex would make abuse come to HER, rather than she being the abuser. Child conjunct the vertex may make for abused children coming to her. Strangely enough, this is her passion in life i.e to be an oasis for abused children. Again, Astrology hits it on the mark.

From her Venus conjunct Union conjunct the Anti-vertex, my conclusion was that she brought love and the desire for a permanent union to her world. This was the case.

With the vertex and anti-vertex, new vistas of the chart have opened for me. As in all Astrological things, I need your help to tell me how things work in your chart. I await your comments.

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posted April 07, 2015 09:42 AM            

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posted April 07, 2015 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Ooops, Anti-Vx conjunct Nessus by <3 degrees. Orb too big?

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I think 2 degrees is the accepted degree but google it and see what they say, L.

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posted April 07, 2015 05:17 PM            

What a trip that was!!!
Why, oh why, didn't I know astrology back then???

How would that play out according to your theory?

posted April 07, 2015 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Here's one for you, Ami...
My anti-vertex is conjunct my own Part of Marriage.
This degree is also conjunct my EXhusband's Sun and Nessus conjunction.

What a trip that was!!!
Why, oh why, didn't I know astrology back then???

How would that play out according to your theory?

I suppose I am to marry someone about 7 years older or 7 years younger (Saturn cycle) to be happy in marriage. If I marry someone around 4 years or so difference in age ( whatever the return of Nessus is) , I may still have marital trouble.

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I don't use Part of marriage.

With him, you just picked a bad chart.

It does not bode for this happening again, if you watch the charts lol

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posted April 07, 2015 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Anybody know what significance the rulers of these two points have?

My vertex in Aries, 7th.
Obviously then anti vertex in Libra, 1st.
(Mars and Venus, both 12th Virgo)

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I can answer this- my cousin has this and it seems to play out pretty accurate for him. Ignore the comment below yours, that makes no sense- the houses and signs of the vertex dictate the themes and energy at play.

So, I would assume Aries/Libra could indicate issues between personal will and sharing (i.e., being in relationships that are meaningful vs. not compromising who are you are/being forced to stand up for yourself).

posted April 07, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Here's one for you, Ami...
My anti-vertex is conjunct my own Part of Marriage.
This degree is also conjunct my EXhusband's Sun and Nessus conjunction.

What a trip that was!!!
Why, oh why, didn't I know astrology back then???

How would that play out according to your theory?

I suppose I am to marry someone about 7 years older or 7 years younger (Saturn cycle) to be happy in marriage. If I marry someone around 4 years or so difference in age ( whatever the return of Nessus is) , I may still have marital trouble.

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Nessus is just an asteroid, and I wouldn't worry too much about it. You can have Nessus hit a personal planet, but it doesn't always (and usually doesn't) turn out to be some form of abuse. I just think it is important to live life and fall in love with who you want to, regardless of whether they are 7 years younger or older, or 4 years or so. Don't let that asteroid dictate your life, it certainly won't make or break a love story solely on its own.

posted April 07, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I can answer this- my cousin has this and it seems to play out pretty accurate for him. Ignore the comment below yours, that makes no sense- the houses and signs of the vertex dictate the themes and energy at play.

So, I would assume Aries/Libra could indicate issues between personal will and sharing (i.e., being in relationships that are meaningful vs. not compromising who are you are/being forced to stand up for yourself).

In the seventh/first house axis, sudden realizations could affect significant relationships (seventh house) through experiences of projecting ourselves out to the world (first house). Relationships I would assume have had an important impact on life, creating fairness and balance within these relationships to resolve any conflicting issues.

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posted April 08, 2015 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Ok, thanks for answering, Ami

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You are welcome, my Friend! xx

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posted April 08, 2015 09:10 AM            

I have my Vertex exact conjunct my South Node at 5 degrees Taurus(in the 7th house) and my Anti-Vertex conjunct my North Node at 5 Degrees Scorpio (in the 1st house)

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posted April 08, 2015 01:10 PM            

Vertex is in Cancer and makes conjunction to Sun.
Anti-vertex? Oh my gosh... this asteroid is quite ugly... Not as much as Nessus but still. Well, it's Nemesis. I'm wondering how to interpret it. Apparently, I'm Nemesis to a lot of people in my life...I'm not like that on purpose. A lot of people just don't like me for some reason...As if Pluto on ASC was not enough, I have Nemesis on my Anti-vertex... sheesh...

posted April 08, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
Thank you Ami! I was curious how would Vertex/Anti-vertex play out in NATAL, since we have so much info on Vertex/Anti-vertex role in synastry. Hmmm... let's look at this...

Vertex is in Cancer and makes conjunction to Sun.
Anti-vertex? Oh my gosh... this asteroid is quite ugly... Not as much as Nessus but still. Well, it's Nemesis. I'm wondering how to interpret it. Apparently, I'm Nemesis to a lot of people in my life...I'm not like that on purpose. A lot of people just don't like me for some reason...As if Pluto on ASC was not enough, I have Nemesis on my Anti-vertex... sheesh...

Anyway, thank you Ami! This was another opportunity to learn something about myself

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You are welcome, V!

I don't think that you USE the vertex like you use other things in terms of sign, house ruler, maybe even the house

I think it is a POINT, a fated point.

What touches that fated point gives us info.

I don't think you use aspects to it, either, although I could be wrong.

It has a small orb--2 degrees.

What touches it from OTHERS is shown by the Vertex

How WE touch others is shown by the Anti vertex.

I don't think you can do more with it, but I could be wrong.

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posted April 08, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
Thank you Ami! I was curious how would Vertex/Anti-vertex play out in NATAL, since we have so much info on Vertex/Anti-vertex role in synastry. Hmmm... let's look at this...

Vertex is in Cancer and makes conjunction to Sun.
Anti-vertex? Oh my gosh... this asteroid is quite ugly... Not as much as Nessus but still. Well, it's Nemesis. I'm wondering how to interpret it. Apparently, I'm Nemesis to a lot of people in my life...I'm not like that on purpose. A lot of people just don't like me for some reason...As if Pluto on ASC was not enough, I have Nemesis on my Anti-vertex... sheesh...

Anyway, thank you Ami! This was another opportunity to learn something about myself

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I would say Nemesis on your anti vertex would be something you would have to deal with.

If you find yourself feeling this energy in life, know that it is not your fault!

That is my message with Astrology. I won't deny hard things but it is not the person's fault.

If they don't FACE them, how can they deal with them.

The people who won't face things ACT them out and this is more dangerous than the people who have courage to FACE their own darkness

I have Jung conj the Sun and you know what he said

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posted April 08, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I would say Nemesis on your anti vertex would be something you would have to deal with.

If you find yourself feeling this energy in life, know that it is not your fault!

That is my message with Astrology. I won't deny hard things but it is not the person's fault.

If they don't FACE them, how can they deal with them.

The people who won't face things ACT them out and this is more dangerous than the people who have courage to FACE their own darkness

I have Jung conj the Sun and you know what he said

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posted April 08, 2015 02:59 PM            

EXACTLY

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posted April 08, 2015 09:40 PM            

Let me explain.

The ANTIVERTEX, as you said, Ami, takes from us our contribution to it, meaning that our perception, goals, dreams, and intention shapes it. We can bring what we think we want into the picture, which very well MAY help us on to a better path -- but it may not be at ALL what we initially thought it was.

For that reason, ANTIVERTEX can seem like an immensely wonderful thing with which we can become disenchanted -- and quickly.

The lesson, I think, is to take responsibility for what we are contributing to this experience. What of it can we change or improve? We have a surprising amount of control where it comes to the ANTIVERTEX, and sometimes the greatest lesson is to remember that, and use it.

I've studied the VERTICES axis for the better part of 25 years. This has been my experience with it in hundreds of charts over that time, including my own, or immediately second hand.

posted April 08, 2015 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
... For example I hate how some people keep trying so hard to make healer out of Nessus and attach noble characteristics to him. Nessus is a rapist and abuser, plain ad simple...

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Not in evolved individuals, Vixen. Then he can be transcendent and a very powerful agent of change. Even with DEJANIRA. Unfortunately, evolution ain't easy, and the masses tend to exhibit more of the negative characteristics of a point. Really, it's up to the individual how it's expressed.

posted April 08, 2015 10:08 PM            

I think there is an Astrologer for everyone. I read some websites and I would never go to those Astrologers. Some people would never come to me. People have to find the right fit. I think that is key. I don't want someone to come to me who does not appreciate my particular expression of Astrology. They need to find the person who is right for them.

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