posted April 07, 2015 09:00 PM            

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posted April 07, 2015 09:18 PM            

~ Can Capricorn live without Cancer?
~ Can Mars live without Venus?
~ Can Sag live without Gemini?
~ Or Virgo without Pisces?

~ What does Saturn have to learn from Moon?
~ And what does Venus have to learn from Mars?
~ And what about Neptune and Mercury?
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This, would pretty much answer this question.

• Because 'Mutual advancement' is the Key of all oppositions.
- And I wouldn't take them as a 'negative' aspect.
/ There's certainly an unusual and unpredictable harmony in all of them.

( But since Saturn is in Saggittarius, I think I'll have to make it clear that... what I said above is a part (if not all) of my own perception.
- In simple words, my own opinion ) .
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~ Well, then, the question would be... how accurate my perception is...
( or has gotten? ) lol

posted April 07, 2015 09:30 PM            

Bruce Lee, for example, had a very challenging chart with plenty of oppositions, but he channeled that energy into something positive.

Squares aren't locked in/locked up either, that implies that you cannot reach or manifest this energy, which is proven false by people with difficult charts all the time. In fact, many famous leaders and personas have plenty of squares in their chart (i.e. Muhammad Ali). Squares provide lessons of personal growth through challenges and situations. Oppositions help one learn balancing two different types of energy, and who wouldn't want to be a more well-balanced individual.

posted April 07, 2015 09:54 PM            

Important: what planets are involved?

The square is unrelenting. It exerts a constant pressure or drive, varying in intensity by the planets involved and by how tight the aspects are. I think everyone could use some wider squares.

The opposition is a see-saw, tennis dynamic, the "I-thou" aspect. It plays out most in relationships, even the ones of our idea of ourselves vs the idea we have of others.

posted April 07, 2015 09:58 PM            

The same goes with the opposition.

The reason they say it's meaningful when you find someone who's chart flow is similar to yours is because that person will understand the challenges in a similar way as you. Ive dated guys who we had great synastry but their natal had a bunch of squares while I'm more of an opposition girl. We just didn't flow in a similar way. I now attribute that to our lives maybe teaching us similar things but in a very different way. We just didn't GET each other's way of doing things.

I have Pluto/Venus opposed Jupiter/Chiron in my chart
I only have 1 square Uranus/Saturn
In relationships the squares to my very personal planets, the more sensitive Sun/Moon/Merc/Venus...I can't take a tight square to these in synastry. Its to stressful and frustrating and just no fun.
I don't mind squares to my Saturn and Mars because I'm used to Saturn square. I like the stress energy to my Mars because I like intensity.

posted April 08, 2015 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The square and the opposition are just angles of geometry with different dynamics. Neither is better or worse than the other.

Important: what planets are involved?

The square is unrelenting. It exerts a constant pressure or drive, varying in intensity by the planets involved and by how tight the aspects are. I think everyone could use some wider squares.

The opposition is a see-saw, tennis dynamic, the "I-thou" aspect. It plays out most in relationships, even the ones of our idea of ourselves vs the idea we have of others.

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I never understood the opposition despite having a chart full of them

posted April 08, 2015 07:23 AM            

Trines and easy aspects can be just as challenging in terms of growth, but you will see less conflict. For instance it may be a challenge with trines to overcome laziness and it might be a challenge with sextiles to become focused. But there is still an easy flow of energy with these.

With Square vs Opposition, when you look at an Opposition there will always be a similar Polarity (both masculine or both feminine) so there is a similar dynamic to help with understanding and finding balance. The Square will not have this. The Square will have differing Polarities (masculine vs feminine, active vs passive), and we all know how one can dominate the other.

posted April 08, 2015 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by alyssa27:
i heard that squares are more about internal conflicts and oppositions more about external

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This is super interesting. I never heard this. I picture an opposition as a see-saw like if one is in a bad mood/good mood/bad mood/good mood. Or one could love to eat and eat too much and then not want to eat anything and starve.

It is an either/or syndrome or a "black and white" syndrome.

The square seems to be an energy that is fixed. I do not think it can be changed, personally.

I think one can work around it but it is fixed, as if one had a facial feature that was fixed.

For example, if one's lips were too small and one's eyes were beautiful, one would use lip liner to make one's lips bigger but the state of one's lips remains

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posted April 08, 2015 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by alyssa27:
amianne-i think that conjunctions and oppositions natal,transits and progressions produce more direct energy..yes the energy of the squares is fixed and is very difficult to get over these conflincts if not impossible but it can get more easy to handle them with effort and time..and i think that squares is worse than oppositions because for me the inner world is the most basic thing,all starts from inside..but that's just my opinion

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Great post. Thank you, A!

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posted April 08, 2015 12:09 PM              

The opposition is imbalance. It's constantly swinging from one side to the next. The expression of this aspect can be highly contradictory. "I'm not like that at all" and then behaving exactly like that, often without realizing it.

An opposition symbolizes possible projection while a square is more about possible internal blockages.

posted April 08, 2015 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I see the square as tension that needs to be worked out. It's sort of like a constant tightness in your jaw that needs to be released and relaxed. If not, it can cause a gradual inner build-up that leads to an explosion/implosion of some kind.

The opposition is imbalance. It's constantly swinging from one side to the next. The expression of this aspect can be highly contradictory. "I'm not like that at all" and then behaving exactly like that, often without realizing it.

An opposition symbolizes possible projection while a square is more about possible internal blockages.

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Great post, 89. Thanks!

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posted April 08, 2015 02:00 PM            

For example, if you have Moon in Cancer opposing Mercury in Cappy... You can be very emotional at times, but very rational at others. There is conflict between heart and mind, intuition and rationalism. But since it's opposition, it is easier to deal with it, so you can switch between soft-heartedness and intellect in the right times.

posted April 08, 2015 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
Personally I think that squares can be even worse than oppositions. It depends on planets and signs of course. With opposition you have swaying (sorry if I don't use proper words, English is not my first language) between two energies.

For example, if you have Moon in Cancer opposing Mercury in Cappy... You can be very emotional at times, but very rational at others. There is conflict between heart and mind, intuition and rationalism. But since it's opposition, it is easier to deal with it, so you can switch between soft-heartedness and intellect in the right times.

Now with square, this aspect has a lot of Martian energy. Struggle is constant and more serious. Two planets squaring each other are influencing other in "bad" way. Again, it depends on planets involved.
Someone with Venus square Neptune is constantly fighting with day-dreaming too much and often even with delusions. They may think that their crush loves them, when in reality, their crush couldn't care less about them. They may think their lover is best thing that happened to them, while their lover is horrible liar, con-man or overall mean person. This person is STUCK in this conflict since square has more energy than opposition and it's high probability that unfortunately, they will struggle with romantic illusions all their life.

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PERFECT description imo

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posted April 08, 2015 02:27 PM            

Houses are part of this, too.

Houses shows us HOW the dynamic plays out.

The above is the dynamic lol

What are the hosues?
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posted April 08, 2015 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

PERFECT description imo

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posted November 17, 2019 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That's very personal everyone will have a unique opinion because it depends on what your used to. Someone with more natal squares will feel the square is easier because they have already been dealing with that energy in their life, it won't seem like some new challenge they are not prepared for.

The same goes with the opposition.

The reason they say it's meaningful when you find someone who's chart flow is similar to yours is because that person will understand the challenges in a similar way as you. Ive dated guys who we had great synastry but their natal had a bunch of squares while I'm more of an opposition girl. We just didn't flow in a similar way. I now attribute that to our lives maybe teaching us similar things but in a very different way. We just didn't GET each other's way of doing things.

I have Pluto/Venus opposed Jupiter/Chiron in my chart
I only have 1 square Uranus/Saturn
In relationships the squares to my very personal planets, the more sensitive Sun/Moon/Merc/Venus...I can't take a tight square to these in synastry. Its to stressful and frustrating and just no fun.
I don't mind squares to my Saturn and Mars because I'm used to Saturn square. I like the stress energy to my Mars because I like intensity.

Oppositions to my personal planets, no sweat...I'm used to the balancing act and I like it, that's what I've been doing my whole life, it's all I know.

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Can anyone comment to further explore this -
I'm interested in this dynamic is synastry.. and will try (have tried) to explore over there also -

The way I feel it, is that, a square person wants to calm the tension. A person with oppositions can exist ok in the binary dynamic of their personality. And maybe why Gabby says here that the two people will not understand each other.

Essentially, the opposition person will be too much for the square person (who is is seeking to calm that tension).

I'm talking about in synastry if one person has only oppositions and the other person has only squares.

Further query -

when in synastry someone squares the opposition in someones chart (making a t-square between the combined synastry). Is it too tense for the person with the opposition to be squared? And too foreign to deal with? Or is it an interesting/unique/fun dynamic for them?

Compared with trines/sextiles which is likely nicer, and perhaps more likely to have longevity? Or is it too soft?

I suspect that beyond the traditional attractions etc that we all know in synastry, sometimes attraction and longevity of a relationships comes from someone providing relief to our tense aspects: eg: a square or an opposition receiving a sextile/trine from another person.

I think this is true in my own chart, where I have squares. But I have no oppositions so I am querying this to learn more about oppositions.

Is the square from someone else too much to an opposition is someone elses chart?

Does anyone have any experiences observations to share?

posted November 19, 2019 02:39 AM            

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