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DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, the 12th doesn't involve fear. It can, certainly, or introversion as we typically think of it.
Maybe I don't have this right but to me it's energy that still gets expressed once we learn it and accept it. By that I mean accepting that we are different in this way and that it's not abnormal, to us. That's the biggest hurdle imo - realizing that we're not crazy or weird. There is an outlet, but that outlet isn't something that others can see or get to witness. Only those closest to us, sometimes not even then.

It (this energy) is somehow expelled inside of us through imagination. Either manifesting this energy directly into our imagination or drifting off in our own little worlds that recharges our batteries. I can't even explain how this works.
My mars is there and while I CAN be assertive, and even aggressive. One time I was FURIOUSLY angry but it didn't come out as anger. There was nothing that I could do and I didn't want to burden others. I didn't want to express it in one big show or felt it necessary to have someone connect with me about how angry I felt. It felt like that would have been wasted effort. I went home, I very peacefully played horseshoes and before long, the anger was gone and never came back!
I can't even explain where it goes to. I have no idea. All I know is if I retreat to be alone and lose myself in something else, that's the most natural way for me to deal with it. It's the most effective way for me.
It's not that I have a problem with expressing things to others, it's simply that I know that they won't truly be able to give me what I need. They can't help. I know this, so I don't bother. Often, I don't want empathy, or advice. (Sometimes I do! Or just need someone to listen only) I want to escape into my world and I know things will be better. It's like we live in some abstract painting. Who knows what the heck is truly going on in it, or where things (energy) go when they get lost in there, but they go somewhere and we know that we need it and that we love it!


Gabby, you may feel that others don't understand because to you, with intuition, you may on some levels assume people can "intuit" the rest of your feelings. In reality, they may not fully understand or get the full picture. While we can't discount Virgo and it's influence, it may help you to organize and ground your emotions, but still, parts of the message may get lost. I do this a lot. I assume people can pick up the details if I give the basics but it's not true. It often takes a much more thorough explanation than we realize. To you, complex emotions may seem and feel much more simple to you. Others may see them as very complex.
You're probably a LOT harder on yourself than you need to be, brutal sometimes with your criticism of yourself, yet, few if any likely have any clue of this whatsoever.

I just pulled that out my @ss. Hopefully it's relatable.

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posted April 09, 2015 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for your responses, I'm reading them all throughly and appreciate your help sooo much!!


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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
Wow, this is literally me too. I'm glad to know someone understands how incredibly hard and scary it can be. I was called cryptic one time by someone who barely even knows me, lol. I agreed, non-verbally of course.

I appreciate someone else understanding!
For me...I'm so cryptic ppl don't even realize I'm being cryptic!! Lol
I guess that's actually called not communicating! Ugh!!


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Originally posted by heartsandheels:
12h moon feels like a blind spot to me. Definitely makes me appear cryptic. It's hard to tell what I'm feeling or responding too so I get frustrated and I guess I come off as moody/mad. But that's not true. And as far as rejection goes, I cried a couple days ago in front of a few people which I never feel comfortable doing and was told I was only doing it for attention. It was upsetting but I think that's the thing with this placement...it causes indecisiveness. But if you know where your feelings are coming from you'll be secure enough to express them. Because it's important that other people can't validate your feelings for you. (My English sucks, sorry.)

I guess it my virgo moon but if a person isn't in my everyday life, i don't even want ppl to see me as moody, or any kind of up and down emotionally at all....even that feels like a vulnerablity that I can't put out there. To cry in front of ppl, ugh....for the rest of my life I would feel like they saw me as weak, stupid and pathetic. Like id lost any ability to be respected by them permanently. I can get mad in front of ppl but I feel like there is no recovering from an outbursts of emotions after I do it, I must walk away and never return because I've burned my bridges and cannot be respected by them ever again.
Ppl in my very close circle it's different but still I must have complete control over my emotions or I spend a great deal of time beating myself up.

Your English is perfect!! I wily not have even known it's was not your 1st language.

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posted April 09, 2015 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesKat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Im the same way Gabby, I have my walls up so high sometimes. I have ben rejected quite a lot, I didn't learn to hide my feelings until after being rejected a lot.

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posted April 09, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the89freespirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the best way I feel you can clear up the confusion of your 12th House planets.

Just say, "Everyone is (planet's qualities), including myself." We cannot be too much of one or the other with the 12th: either claiming everyone is like that planet and we're not or claiming that we're this planet and no one understands. The first outlook deludes you, the second overwhelms/victimizes you, and both are products of the ego, in some way, which is a no-no with the 12th. So, we have to see these planets as being everyone.

Like Mars in the 12th. "Everyone gets angry and has passions and needs to assert themselves, including me." With Jupiter in the 12th, "Everyone has good fortune smile down on them and wants something bigger and better, including me." I really do think planets in the 12th are like all human beings speaking through one person. So, that's why they can be so overwhelming and chaotic, as well as so psychic and compassionate.

So, Gabby, with Moon in the 12th, I'd say your mantra could be, "Everyone has feelings and gets hurt and needs to be taken care of, including me." When you feel so emotionally misunderstood, remember that there's always someone in the world feeling the EXACT same way. This can heal you and allow you to accept your own feelings, as well as be very healing toward others' (as I'm sure you are). Anytime you're struggling with your feelings, remember that they are not particular to you at all. They're universal. So, you're never, ever truly alone.

But, planets in the 12th aren't about personal recognition. It's not about the individual. It's really my theory that you don't need to put them all out in the open and that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. They can only be fully expressed out in the world in situations that have nothing to do with you, like artistic work or humanitarian work or just uplifting/counseling your fellow man.

So, Gabby, I don't think you're supposed to go around flaunting your 12th House Moon. Take solace in that it's okay for it to not always be "seen" and that you can still find healthy, useful ways to channel it/acknowledge it that keeps you from being repressed. There's a major yet subtle difference between private about these energies and repressing them/ignoring them.

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posted April 09, 2015 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Speaking from experience. I think for you the best people to open up to are others with personal 12th placements and/or with personal Pisces in their chart. They just "get" each other. They can identify with you and understand through intuition all of the things that you are not expressing.
Empathy is strong when these people connect.

That's been my personal experience.


I love the empathy of pisces but they feel so weak and flighty it's hard to trust them, maybe I just need to change my perspective on them and expect less.

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Agreed one hundred percent! He and my Scorpio best friend are the only people that know the deepest parts of me. Know the real me.

To answer your question, we're hard to read. I don't have a problem expressing my feelings, in fact according to DeepFreeze I'm really emotional LOL! My problem is caring enough to talk about them when I'd rather hear someone else talk about theirs. I'd rather be the helper than to receive help. Make sense?

I feel and think pretty powerfully and most of the time it feels that only so many can relate to what I'm thinking or feeling. So I'd rather talk with those certain people. I'm secretive when it comes to my thoughts and feelings because they're mine and therefore exclusive to only me. Some things just aren't worth sharing to me. I'd rather keep them protected by not saying anything about them. I have things under control and don't feel right when anyone worries about me. It just feels wrong. I feel too people-oriented sometimes or that I care about others more than I should. Rejection is a fear of mine.


I agree so much! I so far from unemotional actually I feel I'm very emotional and a huge thinker, they are probably equal for me.
Its expressing those emotions that is my nemesis! Lol...as I posted that I remembered that my asteroid Nemesis is on my Neptune in my 3rd house...hmmm, Neptune rules 12th, Neptune in my 3rd house of thinking...that's my Nemesis!

DF... I'll read your thread on pisces Moon!!

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posted April 09, 2015 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Here's the best way I feel you can clear up the confusion of your 12th House planets.

Just say, "Everyone is (planet's qualities), including myself." We cannot be too much of one or the other with the 12th: either claiming everyone is like that planet and we're not or claiming that we're this planet and no one understands. The first outlook deludes you, the second overwhelms/victimizes you, and both are products of the ego, in some way, which is a no-no with the 12th. So, we have to see these planets as being everyone.

Like Mars in the 12th. "Everyone gets angry and has passions and needs to assert themselves, including me." With Jupiter in the 12th, "Everyone has good fortune smile down on them and wants something bigger and better, including me." I really do think planets in the 12th are like all human beings speaking through one person. So, that's why they can be so overwhelming and chaotic, as well as so psychic and compassionate.

So, Gabby, with Moon in the 12th, I'd say your mantra could be, "Everyone has feelings and gets hurt and needs to be taken care of, including me." When you feel so emotionally misunderstood, remember that there's always someone in the world feeling the EXACT same way. This can heal you and allow you to accept your own feelings, as well as be very healing toward others' (as I'm sure you are). Anytime you're struggling with your feelings, remember that they are not particular to you at all. They're universal. So, you're never, ever truly alone.

But, planets in the 12th aren't about personal recognition. It's not about the individual. It's really my theory that you don't need to put them all out in the open and that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. They can only be fully expressed out in the world in situations that have nothing to do with you, like artistic work or humanitarian work or just uplifting/counseling your fellow man.

So, Gabby, I don't think you're supposed to go around flaunting your 12th House Moon. Take solace in that it's okay for it to not always be "seen" and that you can still find healthy, useful ways to channel it/acknowledge it that keeps you from being repressed. There's a major yet subtle difference between private about these energies and repressing them/ignoring them.



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I have kaali conjunct Neptune in third house.
Not sure what exactly that means though. Hahaha

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posted April 09, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
To me, the 12th doesn't involve fear. It can, certainly, or introversion as we typically think of it.
Maybe I don't have this right but to me it's energy that still gets expressed once we learn it and accept it. By that I mean accepting that we are different in this way and that it's not abnormal, to us. That's the biggest hurdle imo - realizing that we're not crazy or weird. There is an outlet, but that outlet isn't something that others can see or get to witness. Only those closest to us, sometimes not even then.

It (this energy) is somehow expelled inside of us through imagination. Either manifesting this energy directly into our imagination or drifting off in our own little worlds that recharges our batteries. I can't even explain how this works.
My mars is there and while I CAN be assertive, and even aggressive. One time I was FURIOUSLY angry but it didn't come out as anger. There was nothing that I could do and I didn't want to burden others. I didn't want to express it in one big show or felt it necessary to have someone connect with me about how angry I felt. It felt like that would have been wasted effort. I went home, I very peacefully played horseshoes and before long, the anger was gone and never came back!
I can't even explain where it goes to. I have no idea. All I know is if I retreat to be alone and lose myself in something else, that's the most natural way for me to deal with it. It's the most effective way for me.
It's not that I have a problem with expressing things to others, it's simply that I know that they won't truly be able to give me what I need. They can't help. I know this, so I don't bother. Often, I don't want empathy, or advice. (Sometimes I do! Or just need someone to listen only) I want to escape into my world and I know things will be better. It's like we live in some abstract painting. Who knows what the heck is truly going on in it, or where things (energy) go when they get lost in there, but they go somewhere and we know that we need it and that we love it!


Gabby, you may feel that others don't understand because to you, with intuition, you may on some levels assume people can "intuit" the rest of your feelings. In reality, they may not fully understand or get the full picture. While we can't discount Virgo and it's influence, it may help you to organize and ground your emotions, but still, parts of the message may get lost. I do this a lot. I assume people can pick up the details if I give the basics but it's not true. It often takes a much more thorough explanation than we realize. To you, complex emotions may seem and feel much more simple to you. Others may see them as very complex.
You're probably a LOT harder on yourself than you need to be, brutal sometimes with your criticism of yourself, yet, few if any likely have any clue of this whatsoever.

I just pulled that out my @ss. Hopefully it's relatable.


Your explanation is awesome DF!
I do feel crazy n weird compared to others...it seems so effortless to ppl and natural to express their feelings. I'm kind of jealous, they don't seem to have the guilt or shame I do when I express my feelings.

Yes alone time is the only way I can recharge, if I don't get it I go deeper and deeper into a hole.
I completely get what your saying about the energy just dissipating by itself if I can just get the chance to veg out by myself. Very true!!

Your right I probably do assume others intuit my feelings because theirs speak to me louder than any words said.
I catch myself knowing ppl so deeply without a word and then start speaking to them with the information I have and i don't get why they stare at me and feel like they are falling in love(lol) so quickly because I understand them so deeply.
I actually forget how much I pick up by feelings alone and what they a actually speak to me about.

I've been working in feeling ppls home life just by standing next to them. I can feel the holes in their heart, I can tell if they are missing the dad energy or the mom energy, or if it was there but cold. I try to find a way to get around to asking them about it and I'm completely blown away that so far I have not been wrong. It's seems so simple and effortless like I don't even have to try the information is just there for me to pick up or ignore. Most of my life I doubted that what I felt was anything more than my thoughts on the possibility of what their life was like due to the way they dressed or carried themselves. I never asked or tried to validate what I felt regarding them. If I found out I was right if assume it was logical deductions...but I'm realizing it's not, I do feel their emotional pain or voids in their aura and also their emotional fulfillments.
I wish ppl could feel that about me to.

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posted April 09, 2015 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AriesKat:
Yes Im the same way Gabby, I have my walls up so high sometimes. I have ben rejected quite a lot, I didn't learn to hide my feelings until after being rejected a lot.

Rejection just makes it so much worse, it amplifies the need to keep our emotions to ourselves.

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posted April 09, 2015 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Here's the best way I feel you can clear up the confusion of your 12th House planets.

Just say, "Everyone is (planet's qualities), including myself." We cannot be too much of one or the other with the 12th: either claiming everyone is like that planet and we're not or claiming that we're this planet and no one understands. The first outlook deludes you, the second overwhelms/victimizes you, and both are products of the ego, in some way, which is a no-no with the 12th. So, we have to see these planets as being everyone.

Like Mars in the 12th. "Everyone gets angry and has passions and needs to assert themselves, including me." With Jupiter in the 12th, "Everyone has good fortune smile down on them and wants something bigger and better, including me." I really do think planets in the 12th are like all human beings speaking through one person. So, that's why they can be so overwhelming and chaotic, as well as so psychic and compassionate.

So, Gabby, with Moon in the 12th, I'd say your mantra could be, "Everyone has feelings and gets hurt and needs to be taken care of, including me." When you feel so emotionally misunderstood, remember that there's always someone in the world feeling the EXACT same way. This can heal you and allow you to accept your own feelings, as well as be very healing toward others' (as I'm sure you are). Anytime you're struggling with your feelings, remember that they are not particular to you at all. They're universal. So, you're never, ever truly alone.

But, planets in the 12th aren't about personal recognition. It's not about the individual. It's really my theory that you don't need to put them all out in the open and that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. They can only be fully expressed out in the world in situations that have nothing to do with you, like artistic work or humanitarian work or just uplifting/counseling your fellow man.

So, Gabby, I don't think you're supposed to go around flaunting your 12th House Moon. Take solace in that it's okay for it to not always be "seen" and that you can still find healthy, useful ways to channel it/acknowledge it that keeps you from being repressed. There's a major yet subtle difference between private about these energies and repressing them/ignoring them.


That makes so much sense, thank you! I love the thought of the mantra, I need to think more about that because it helps!!

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posted April 09, 2015 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I have kaali conjunct Neptune in third house.
Not sure what exactly that means though. Hahaha


I think Neptune in 3rd is a lot like 12th house placements...it clouds up your "thinking" or mental connection to reality, just like the 12th house clouds up your connection to reality regarding the planets in that house.
Also 3rd house Neptune gives deep intuition and psychic abilities by connecting your mind to the other side and the unseen energies on earth.

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posted April 26, 2015 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellygirl7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My S/O has a 12th house Moon in Gemini. Its incredibly for him to communicate his emotions. Even with my 12th house Pluto and my Scorpio Asc, I find that it can be difficult (and irritating) to try to understand him.

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I can totally relate to this Gabby. I don't have a 12th house moon but I have trouble expressing my emotions because the problem is that I can't distinguish between what i'm feeling and thinking half the time. It's like "should i be feeling this?" and I end up getting so twisted feeling like i need a lobotomy! Half the time I feel like a child who can't sort out her own feelings. And then I find it hard to tell people exactly what im feeling because i don't know myself exactly what i'm feeling. And they end up getting so frustrated with me. Which makes me feel completely misunderstood. Sometimes I'll act out in a rebellious way just to be heard - uranus conjunct ASC.

its been a real struggle and i've been working on it for a long time. I do have moon/mars/saturn conjunct so it could be that. My virgo moon quintiles mercury which should really show that i am brilliant at expressing my feelings ha! and maybe i would be if i knew what they were. i wonder what part of a chart would cause this..?!

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posted April 27, 2015 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmGem:
I can totally relate to this Gabby. I don't have a 12th house moon but I have trouble expressing my emotions because the problem is that I can't distinguish between what i'm feeling and thinking half the time. It's like "should i be feeling this?" and I end up getting so twisted feeling like i need a lobotomy! Half the time I feel like a child who can't sort out her own feelings. And then I find it hard to tell people exactly what im feeling because i don't know myself exactly what i'm feeling. And they end up getting so frustrated with me. Which makes me feel completely misunderstood. Sometimes I'll act out in a rebellious way just to be heard - uranus conjunct ASC.

its been a real struggle and i've been working on it for a long time. I do have moon/mars/saturn conjunct so it could be that. My virgo moon quintiles mercury which should really show that i am brilliant at expressing my feelings ha! and maybe i would be if i knew what they were. i wonder what part of a chart would cause this..?!


Moon Saturn defnitely could cause a simular issue with feeling free to emotionally express yourself, Saturn restricts whatever it touches, Moon/Saturn would testify your emotions, Saturn/Mars/Moon would restict your ability to act on those emotions.

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