posted April 08, 2015 10:07 PM            

And like you, I am at the same time apprehensive to express my true wants/needs/feelings and sometimes would rather keep them to myself in fear of possible rejection. It's a constant struggle with how and when to be vulnerable. And sometimes you can make an unfortunate mistake and try to be vulnerable with the wrong person. I've done that many times in my past, hoping with certain people that I could open up to them, and instead faced rejection. And then as I got older and wiser, I "learned" from my past experiences and eventually became more secretive and more nervous to share with others. My SO can get very frustrated with me (though he is one of the kindest and most understanding people you could ever meet) and has a hard time reading me a lot. And I feel bad because it can truly be such a difficult task for me to open up sometimes.\

posted April 08, 2015 10:08 PM              

I see the 12th as things that we have no desire to share with the outside world.
Not that we fear anything about them but that unlike most others we actually handle things better internally, in the background, alone.

posted April 08, 2015 10:12 PM            

The 12th House FOGS things. It is very hard to have one's emotions in fog.

If you are feeling this, it is your chart and not your fault.

The question is how to get out of it?

I have some ways but the climb up from this is hard.

One cannot say it is not.

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posted April 08, 2015 10:30 PM            

Yellowelevator, I do have confusion and it's seems esp in the past very poor judgment with whom to share my feelings with. This bad judgment has left me fearful to open up wondering is my judgement better now or am I just going to hurt myself again?

DP, very true regarding just not wanting to share...it's just so much work especially when I can and do handle it better on my own. Bringing others in usually only makes it worse. But I get sick of feeling so alone some alone to.

posted April 08, 2015 10:39 PM            

It is energy, Gabby. For me, it takes the self blame out of it and the guilt. A difficult energy is just what it is!!

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posted April 08, 2015 10:41 PM            

For you, you have one of the hardest things in the chart and that is the Unaspected Moon. When we put this in the 12th, we have something that most people would never have to deal with.

Hence, it is not being a "baby" or "weak" to struggle.

It is the energy of the unmothered child ( unaspected moon)and the energy of feeling you CAN"T tell people what you feel and how you feel( Moon in the 12th).

It is not you or your fault. It is the chart.

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posted April 08, 2015 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Ami, your always so great at understanding these 12tg house issues! Thank you!

It is energy, Gabby. For me, it takes the self blame out of it and the guilt. A difficult energy is just what it is!!

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It's stressful because I'm not even sure if I am expressing my feelings or if I'm not expressing my am I doing that because it's for the best...??
Ugh I just don't know?? Transit Chiron opposed my moon is stressing me out, I think?

Even though Neptune doesn't technically square my Moon, it's out of aspect by a degree it's the only or closest aspect I have to my Moon...that doesn't help anything!!

posted April 08, 2015 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Gabby

For you, you have one of the hardest things in the chart and that is the Unaspected Moon. When we put this in the 12th, we have something that most people would never have to deal with.

Hence, it is not being a "baby" or "weak" to struggle.

It is the energy of the unmothered child ( unaspected moon)and the energy of feeling you CAN"T tell people what you feel and how you feel( Moon in the 12th).

It is not you or your fault. It is the chart.

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You know Ami...I just don't get how to express emotions in a way that is an asset to my life. It feels emotions are just a way for others to hurt you.

posted April 08, 2015 10:46 PM            

The Unaspected Moon is something that relates to the saying" A Mountain of Sorrow, a Valley of tears"

This is simply a person who was not nurtured,who was not mothered and this goes deep.

Think of the sensitivity of Michael jackson. He had one Moon aspect but he exemplifies this placement to me

THEN, you have it in the 12th and your feelings are fogged.

It is not your fault.

These are energies xxxxx

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posted April 08, 2015 10:48 PM            

It is your chart, Gabby. It is the Unaspected Moon in the 12th.

There are no easy answers or you would have found them cuz you are super intelligent.

Just know, that it is how you were made and we don't know why, while we are on the earth.

I don't give platitudes because I hate them

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posted April 08, 2015 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]You know Ami...I just don't get how to express emotions in a way that is an asset to life. It feels emotions are just a way for others to hurt you.

It is your chart, Gabby. It is the Unaspected Moon in the 12th.

There are no easy answers or you would have found them cuz you are super intelligent.

Just know, that it is how you were made and we don't know why, while we are on the earth.

I don't give platitudes because I hate them

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posted April 08, 2015 10:55 PM            

The 12th House pushes one's heart inward and emotions get suppressed and fogged and the person feels confused and self doubting.

It is the chart energy, not anyone's fault.

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posted April 08, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know this, Gabby. It is not your fault.The Unaspected Moon is as sensitive as an itchy wooly sweater on bare skin. They feel sooo much and they can't help that.

The 12th House pushes one's heart inward and emotions get suppressed and fogged and the person feels confused and self doubting.

It is the chart energy, not anyone's fault.

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posted April 09, 2015 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm very kryptic when I express my emotions, I tell ppl what I need I'm ways that leave them with a challenge to figure me out. If they watch and listen they can figure it out but I can't make it easy, it's like a way I test ppl to see how much they really care. Maybe that's my Pluto/Venus conjunction, Venus is exact semi-sextile my moon?
I wish I could though tell ppl easily without fear.... I'm tired of being scared of expressing my needs.

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posted April 09, 2015 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by heartsandheels:
12h moon feels like a blind spot to me. Definitely makes me appear cryptic. It's hard to tell what I'm feeling or responding too so I get frustrated and I guess I come off as moody/mad. But that's not true. And as far as rejection goes, I cried a couple days ago in front of a few people which I never feel comfortable doing and was told I was only doing it for attention. It was upsetting but I think that's the thing with this placement...it causes indecisiveness. But if you know where your feelings are coming from you'll be secure enough to express them. Because it's important that other people can't validate your feelings for you. (My English sucks, sorry.)

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Your English is amazing. I wish I could speak a second language like this

You explained it very well. Thank you

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posted April 09, 2015 08:39 AM            

I was thinking about this, last night. Each chart is the blueprint of each person. How else could a person give me the simple birth info and I am able to form a 3D image of them with which they are astounded. I am not saying *I* am so great. It is Astrology.

I think God gave us the chart so we would not be alone and adrift in this difficult world that seems so hard to understand.

The chart is our compass.

As far as our struggles, they are in black and white.

The same goes for our gifts.

If we had a person that drove crazy( or made us crazy) that can been seen in all the detail, by the synastry.

God did not leave us bereft, with no answers.

However, the WHYS are unknown

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posted April 09, 2015 11:38 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm very kryptic when I express my emotions, I tell ppl what I need I'm ways that leave them with a challenge to figure me out. If they watch and listen they can figure it out but I can't make it easy, it's like a way I test ppl to see how much they really care. Maybe that's my Pluto/Venus conjunction, Venus is exact semi-sextile my moon?
I wish I could though tell ppl easily without fear.... I'm tired of being scared of expressing my needs.

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Speaking from experience. I think for you the best people to open up to are others with personal 12th placements and/or with personal Pisces in their chart. They just "get" each other. They can identify with you and understand through intuition all of the things that you are not expressing.
Empathy is strong when these people connect.

posted April 09, 2015 12:18 PM              

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Speaking from experience. I think for you the best people to open up to are others with personal 12th placements and/or with personal Pisces in their chart. They just "get" each other. They can identify with you and understand through intuition all of the things that you are not expressing.
Empathy is strong when these people connect.

That's been my personal experience.

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Agreed one hundred percent! He and my Scorpio best friend are the only people that know the deepest parts of me. Know the real me.

To answer your question, we're hard to read. I don't have a problem expressing my feelings, in fact according to DeepFreeze I'm really emotional LOL! My problem is caring enough to talk about them when I'd rather hear someone else talk about theirs. I'd rather be the helper than to receive help. Make sense?

posted April 09, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Not exactly. (But I'm not 12th MOON)
For me it's kind of a matter of having the strength to handle everything internally.
I don't feel it as fear but as a lack of desire to express it.
So for example, Venus in 12th which is one of three that I have.
I've never felt fear of falling in love or being rejected once in love. I just often feel little to no need to share it with others (details of my love life).

I see the 12th as things that we have no desire to share with the outside world.
Not that we fear anything about them but that unlike most others we actually handle things better internally, in the background, alone.

That's how I experience my 12th, mostly.

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posted April 09, 2015 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Speaking from experience. I think for you the best people to open up to are others with personal 12th placements and/or with personal Pisces in their chart. They just "get" each other. They can identify with you and understand through intuition all of the things that you are not expressing.
Empathy is strong when these people connect.

That's been my personal experience.

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