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Topic: Talking over people / Being talked over
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SaturnFan
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posted April 09, 2015 10:30 AM
  
I'm curious what elements of a person's chart can show a continuous inclination to constantly interrupt people in conversations, or the other extreme - constantly being interrupted.While one behaviour is active and one passive (i.e. you cannot control how other people communicate), I believe it all boils down to an unconscious struggle with finding your own voice/truth. So a person would either talk over people just to be heard, because they don't feel anyone is really listening; Or their lack of confidence will subconsciously trigger other people to keep interrupting them mid-sentence. I've witnessed quite a few conversations between 2 people of both extremes, and it is a very sad affair. From an astrological perspective, what placements or aspects in a chart can show such behaviour? I considered Mercury, but can't really find anything significant by checking the charts of people I know. IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted April 09, 2015 10:55 AM
I think it's the hard aspect, particularly square between Mercury (communication) and Saturn. I had this and it seems that the conversation didn't flow with bad timing. Quite frustrating really. I guess we were both eager to speak and I knew this so I had to make a concious effort to not to speak and wait till the other person has fisnished.IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 11:29 AM
My mom doesn't mean to be rude. She's a sweet woman. I don't think she realizes what she does.
But she's an interrupter and she's loud. Libra rising
Aries sun
Aries moon
Aries mercury (all conjunct within about 1 degree)
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goddessofthemoon
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posted April 09, 2015 11:40 AM
My mom is really loud and always wants the attention to her on her. When people are talking, she will interrupt and not even care about what the topic is, she'll just bud in and completely start talking about something else.Aries Sun
Leo Moon
Libra Asc
Mercury Aries
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DeepFreeze
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posted April 09, 2015 11:42 AM
^^^
Yes!! IP: Logged |
aleenaxo
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posted April 09, 2015 12:35 PM
From experience, I think it's the Mars/Aries influence because it relates to impatience. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted April 09, 2015 12:48 PM
I'm guilty of this, though I don't mean to be. And at times I can be a great listener. But sometimes, the thoughts just have to come out of the mouth before I forget, and sometimes its just a bad sense of "did they stop talking or only pause?"So... Sun in Gemini Merc in Gemini focus of a Tsquare to both Saturn and Uranus. (and half a dozen other aspects and conditions) Mars unaspected for what that's worth, though its in Taurus/7th Someone mentioned Leo moon (which I have) too. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted April 09, 2015 01:26 PM
I try not not do this. I tend to talk over people who I believe are "trailing off to being uninteresting" or assume that I know what a person is going to say- leading me to complete the sentence for them etc.I was made aware of this by my Libra SO when he asked "why do you have to turn everything and make it about you?" He asked it in a joking manner. But I really thought about it and it clicked; I really do tend to make everything about me. And I just illustrated this point with a pointless story that was about ME  Mercury-Aries.
Mercury as the focus of a T-square.
Mercury-Mars(which I have) can also do this. As someone mentioned, its all about being impatient. Just wait your turn ...damne!!!
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Kannon McAfee
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posted April 09, 2015 02:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I'm curious what elements of a person's chart can show a continuous inclination to constantly interrupt people in conversations, or the other extreme - constantly being interrupted.While one behaviour is active and one passive (i.e. you cannot control how other people communicate), I believe it all boils down to an unconscious struggle with finding your own voice/truth. So a person would either talk over people just to be heard, because they don't feel anyone is really listening; Or their lack of confidence will subconsciously trigger other people to keep interrupting them mid-sentence. I've witnessed quite a few conversations between 2 people of both extremes, and it is a very sad affair. From an astrological perspective, what placements or aspects in a chart can show such behaviour? I considered Mercury, but can't really find anything significant by checking the charts of people I know.
Don't confuse yourself. Focus on one or the other: As to Interrupters You need to also look in the declinations. Look for parallels and contra-parallels there. Flat wheel charts often have only half the major aspect factors. An emphasis in air and/or Mercury in angular aspect(s) with Sun/Mars/Jupiter/Uranus. Also, strongly Aries/Martial types of infamous buttinksies. ------------------
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BellaFenice
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posted April 09, 2015 07:03 PM
Infamous buttinksies lmao.  My grandmother, god rest her soul, was always like this. But man, just trying to get a word in with her was a challenge alone. Cancer Sun
Leo Mercury trine Mars in Aries
Leo Mercury trine Moon in Sag
Mars trine Moon
Gem ASC (I think?) She was quite firey for a Cancer Sun IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted April 09, 2015 07:53 PM
a retrograde Mercury squaring Mars and Pluto
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aquaguy91
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posted April 09, 2015 08:35 PM
I always feel like people have no problem interrupting me and it p*sses me off. I think it makes me really angry because I'm a good listener and try to hear what everyone is saying. To me it's a matter of respect.... Interrupting people is rude and disrespectful. I've been known to shout or do something dramatic like slam my fist down on the table when someone interrupts me. It really really p*sses me off... So yeah don't interrupt me.... 3rd house moon and mars.IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted April 09, 2015 08:57 PM
I'm very quiet, and often interrupted.Aries Sun Aries Mercury Aries Mars all in the 4th house Sagittarius Ascendant Saturn in the third.. points to problems with communication. My Mercury conjuncts my Sun, squares my Jupiter and widely (9 degrees) squares my Neptune.
My mom is loud and interrupts everyone..
Cancer Sun (in the 12th) Cancer Mercury (in the 11th) Mars in Virgo (in the 2nd) Her Mercury conjuncts her Venus (Gemini), squares her Mars, conjuncts her Uranus, squares her Neptune (9 degrees). My Step-dad can get loud. Cancer Sun, Leo Mercury. My Cancer sun, Leo Moon/Mercury friend is very loud, too.
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Odette
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posted April 09, 2015 09:19 PM
I think Aries often interupts out of impatience, specially Aries Mercury, but other Aries placements like Sun and Mars could still go there lol I've done it sometimes, but I try very hard not to do it habitually. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted April 09, 2015 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I always feel like people have no problem interrupting me and it p*sses me off. I think it makes me really angry because I'm a good listener and try to hear what everyone is saying. To me it's a matter of respect.... Interrupting people is rude and disrespectful. I've been known to shout or do something dramatic like slam my fist down on the table when someone interrupts me. It really really p*sses me off... So yeah don't interrupt me.... 3rd house moon and mars.
Hahaha lol
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aquaguy91
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posted April 09, 2015 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Hahaha lol
*Hides*  eep:
Odette can't even hear people when they speak thanks to pisces mercury. She is in La-La land. Haha IP: Logged |
SaturnFan
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posted April 10, 2015 02:58 AM
Great responses, thank you very much everyone!I just checked the charts of 4 people I know, who keep interrupting others, and found strong correlation with what you are saying, in particular Aries placements and strong aspects to Mars. All of them have a personal planet in Aries, and all have other significant Fire placements (i.e. ACs, Stelliums etc.)! IP: Logged |
mcmlxix
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posted April 11, 2015 05:53 PM
I don't talk over people as much as I interrupt them. I think it's because I think they're done talking, or oh how I wish they were done talking. I've noticed this about myself recently, that I like dynamic conversations with lots of back and forth. Conversations with people who go into monologues drive me nuts. I also tend not to like sustained conversations, yack, yack, yack, preferring to drop in and out instead. Sometimes when someone goes on and on, I wonder, can't they see me fidgeting, being distracted by shiny objects, or eyes glazing over?Perhaps it's my Mercury conjunct Jupiter and Uranus, but I'd think the Libra placement would temper things. Then there's the Mars in Sag.
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SaturnFan
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posted April 11, 2015 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by mcmlxix:
or oh how I wish they were done talking.
Haha
Yes I hear you, some people need an audience, not an actual conversation - they enter a monologue and only need you to nod. If you're not an 'interrupter' they make you wish you were! IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted April 11, 2015 07:44 PM
i'm guilty of talking over people and have often wondered why I do it! it's like i ask them a question and then i pre-empt the answer by guessing while they're thinking of the answer. so its an impatience thing.
sun conjunct merc in gem
leo mars
scorp asc - martian??dunno...but hopefully i dont annoy people THAT much lol IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted April 11, 2015 11:42 PM
My mother is a talker-over. Needs to be the center of attention at all times, and if she isn't, she will find a way to become it!Aries Rising
Aries Sun
Leo Moon
Aries Mercury
Taurus Venus (conjunct ASC)
Gemini Mars ------------------
Sun -> Aries
Moon -> Sagittarius
Ascendant -> Virgo IP: Logged |
Eirlys
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posted April 12, 2015 02:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I'm curious what elements of a person's chart can show a continuous inclination to constantly interrupt people in conversations, or the other extreme - constantly being interrupted.While one behaviour is active and one passive (i.e. you cannot control how other people communicate), I believe it all boils down to an unconscious struggle with finding your own voice/truth. So a person would either talk over people just to be heard, because they don't feel anyone is really listening; Or their lack of confidence will subconsciously trigger other people to keep interrupting them mid-sentence. I've witnessed quite a few conversations between 2 people of both extremes, and it is a very sad affair. From an astrological perspective, what placements or aspects in a chart can show such behaviour? I considered Mercury, but can't really find anything significant by checking the charts of people I know.
What about Mercury in a sign that intercepts a House? No outlet, thus the tendency to be interrupted. ------------------
It's my Pisces Moon. ☆☾ IP: Logged |
SaturnFan
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posted April 13, 2015 05:04 AM
Hey EmGem and nove731 - thanks for your responses, there's definitely a strong trend with Aries and Leo, plus Mars influence!Eirlys, quote:
Originally posted by Eirlys:
What about Mercury in a sign that intercepts a House?No outlet, thus the tendency to be interrupted.
Wow, great catch! I just checked this for someone who gets talked over and interrupted all the time, and what do you know:  Plus, Mercury is also retrograde. Thanks for your insight! IP: Logged |
Geeky
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posted April 13, 2015 07:04 PM
I tend to do this and I know it's crappy but it's so difficult to stop. I get SO BORED waiting for my turn but I am at least cognizant of the problem now. Sometimes I jump in because I think the other person is done (or should wrap it up already) & I worry I will forget whatever brilliant thing I am planning to say if I have to wait. I tend to be very forgetful and when I do forget what I was going to say, I get really flustered. So I think these are the culprits in my case: Mercury in H1
Mercury in a Fire sign (Leo)
Mercury conjunct my Asc (also Leo)
Stellium in H3 ------------------
“Most people would rather be sheep than stand on their own with antlers on.” IP: Logged |
SaturnFan
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posted April 14, 2015 04:36 AM
Hi Geeky,Thank you for sharing - it definitely seems like Fire placements are the main culprit
At least when you interrupt people, you do it because you are enthusiastic about what you want to say. I've seen people do it solely because they are not interested in hearing anyone else but themselves - so with you, it's not due to lack of respect, and I'm sure this come across in conversation with people even when you interrupt them IP: Logged |
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