posted April 10, 2015 02:10 PM            

Pluto in Scorpio, in 11H
- trine Sun/Moon/Mercury in Pisces, in 3H

Uranus on Asc, in Sagittarius, in 1H
- semisquare Jupiter in Aquarius, in 2H (mutual reception going on here I think??)

I'm a very emotional, unusual, unpredictable, passionate, and intense person. When I was younger I didn't get why people weren't as compassionate and emotional as I was. I'm older now and I just accept everyone as they are. Everyone comes in a package, all good & bad. I learn and adopt myself to get along with each and everyone of them. Some ppl are just less emotional or SHOW less emotions..

I do my best to BE myself tho. I don't let what ppl say about me pull me down. They can talk about me all they want (I had to learn to be this way). I attract a lot of attentions everywhere I go anyway.... Lol I should say I leave impressions with ppl I interact with. I don't know if that's Pluto or Uranus influence, mixed with Sag Asc quality...

posted April 10, 2015 04:32 PM            

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My question is, all of you who are Plutonian/Scorpio or even Pisces or Cancer, how do you deal with generation that doesn't share the same emotional depth or intensity as you?....Yanmorg

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great question Yanmorg
The thing to remember is Uranus is exalted in Scorpio
This makes this combination surprisingly simpatico.

posted April 10, 2015 06:48 PM            

Sun, Mercury, Pluto in Scorpio. Pluto in the middle conjuncting both and opposite my Ascendant

Moon, Saturn, and Uranus in the 8th house all in tight conjunction. Neptune's trying to hang from the 9th in a loose conjunction. Neptune is also sextiled by Pluto.

I kinda just walk around thinking people need to examine and think things through better. Scorpio in Mercury has me digging into subjects deeply whether it is more reading or raw data before I make conclusions and opinions. I also have Jupiter in the 1st.. learning and studying is kinda my #1 thing. Unfortunately it makes me feel surrounded by people governed by unexamined, and fickle knowledge with fleeting attention spans.

So I know a lot more than people in my age group. My brain may not be the quickest or smartest but I study more than others. So I just see my peers do the things they do, hold the opinions they do as rather fickle, swayed, and manipulated by leadership and those with agendas rather than any close examination. I also view their opinions largely emotional as well.

I feel like I have a Scorpio in Mercury deep knowledge but I'm surrounded by Air Mercury fleetingness, and vastness of knowledge.

There are a few people in my age group that learn well, but it often forces me into the teacher's role. Sometimes I like to be taught so because of that I've developed friendships with older people. People 20 years older than me provide the most fascinating conversations, and can usually teach me something. Even if they're not as studious as me they have had a 20 year lead in knowledge so there's something I can learn. Better yet, older friends who have been studious their entire lives are my favorite people. I can text them at any moment about a subject I'm reading and they have already read it at some point in their lives.

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Also, as a rule, I've learned to avoid popular mainstream topics. When things become popular EVERYONE suddenly has a learned opinion.

I just wait for the emotional arguing to go away and in the meantime I look to data and multiple opinions to get the truth and ignore the noise of the popular group.

America mainstream news is always structured in the us vs them framing because it produces ratings, and allows for manipulation by leadership. I know this because I'm a dirty ******* and I've used us vs them dynamics to rile up people to stupid action before. It works, and it's constantly being used.

So when everyone's going "RAH RAH RAH" over an issue I know someone riled up general opinion for some selfish motive and it is better to not partake. Most social issues nowadays are solved in the periods where everyone isn't riled up.

My Scorpio Mercury weeps at this because it wishes everyone would look more deeply before action :\

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posted April 10, 2015 07:32 PM            

I am typically satisfied in my long term relationships because I set firm boundaries, but I do try to give as well, that is it's not "my way or the highway" but rather "how can this function so that it works for both/all of us so that we can all feel treated fairly?"

I don't feel psychic enough to know that my feelings are "more intense" than others, just because I'm more aware of my feelings than I am of others doesn't mean that therefore my feelings are more intense, only that my feelings are more intense to ME. But then I generally don't reveal all my feelings (or the intensity of them) to others (for various reasons both thoughtful and self-preserving) and assume others keep some of their cards close to their chest (and up their sleeve) as well (and I'm not easily fooled by people pretending to be doing/feeling great but notice many others are easily fooled by appearances and it causes plenty of people harm wondering why everyone else is having such a wonderful life while the misled observer is struggling and likely suffering and wondering why life is so terrible to him/herself when it appears great for most others).

One reason for thinking so is a guy I knew who usually didn't show much feelings (though he could at times, from the affectionate to the raging, but it was rare) and when he discovered his cat dead he spoke out in surprise. I heard the hurt in his voice despite his seeming to make a casual observation but he was calm and collected. He picked up his dead cat and took him down to the basement closing the door behind him. And even through the walls and closed door I heard the most mournful cry and sob of despair. When he came back up he looked totally normal and to this day I never let him know I heard him. Most would never know how intensely he felt (and he's not Scorpionic or Plutonian, btw).

Though I am shocked by the lack of impulse control so many regularly display. Personally, I measure people by their actions more than their feelings as there are so many feelings to have, often at the very same time (including loving and hating someone at the very same time with equal intensity--that's the worst, IMO, I wish one would cancel out the other but it doesn't work that way) that in the end it's their choices and how they act on those feelings. Feelings are typically mutable and change by the minute but the consequences are not, which is why my emotions are treated like kids and kept in the backseat of my brain (and are happier for it in the long run), though some will marvel that I seem to collected (I've been told I could drink hot water and spit out ice cubes) yet I cry at even something sad in a cartoon. But then I know self-control doesn't matter and that soon I'll be stepping out of the story so I just relax and the "kids come up to watch next me" so to speak and my emotions are more free.

As for a lot of love for celebrities and the like, I wonder how much of that is still high school? I wasn't concerned with who was in or out, popular or not (other than the practical matter of keeping myself from becoming a target, and even that wasn't to the same extent as others) while so many did and now celebrities get treated like the popular kids at school. As one song goes, "High school never ends." (Though it did for me as from my perspective as I have a lot more freedom than I did before to not have to put up with all that as much as I used to.)

As for dealing with it? Humor helps, though some complain at how cynical (like Twain or Mencken) my humor can be, or even "of the gallows." Sometimes I have to choose between laughing and crying (and someone once said life is a comedy to those who think and tragedy to those who feel) and I choose to laugh. And I also tend to approach life as an investigator, though with full knowledge that I'm also part of the experiment and have to investigate and observe myself as well.

posted April 10, 2015 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Based off personal experiences, social media, personal relationships, etc. people nowadays just aren't into commitment, marriage, emotional depth, etc.

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I believe one factor in this stems from where we are in the post modern era. The culture is in a state of profound flux, between the old structures that are breaking down and the new ones that haven't coalesced yet. The current Western world view is subversive of all world views. There's a deep sense of transience and insecurity, and at the same time, a greater openness to new ways of thinking. But, it's a difficult environment for sustaining relationships, collectively speaking.

And yet, there's a social revolution taking place. A way this is manifesting that comes to mind is polyamory. Polyamorous relationships as distinct from polygamy is not male centric and does involve commitment. It's a new kind of social structure and yes, it's Uranian.

posted April 10, 2015 07:58 PM            

SNODE in AQUARIUS
VERTEX in AQUARIUS
MOON conjunct URANUS (1º)
MERCURY conjunct URANUS (9º)
MERCURY parallel URANUS (0º) (also chartruler)

posted April 10, 2015 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
And yet, there's a social revolution taking place. A way this is manifesting that comes to mind is polyamory. Polyamorous relationships as distinct from polygamy is not male centric and does involve commitment. It's a new kind of social structure and yes, it's Uranian.

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Exactly.

The only type of nonmonogamy that was acceptable was polygamy. Polyandry was an expressly verboten concept. But in recent times, not only is polyamory being explored, but there's an entire subculture emerging which is directed towards polyandry. It's like a reawakening of the old feminine with a new face. Rather exciting, actually.

It's not the free-for-all sexual revolution of the '60s, but a revolution of intimacy, commitment, and what constitutes the aforementioned. We're beginning to question everything that's transpired up to this point, and are prepared to explore brand new directions in that collective investigation.

posted April 10, 2015 08:14 PM            

Growing up in Western culture where Uranus is a predominant influence and having Pluto in an angular house has had its challenges. When I was growing up, the thing to be was "cool." These were the people, at least those who were perceived to be that, who were admired and popular, the ones who were light hearted, at ease in social situations, and comfortable with banter. I went through a lot before I turned 18, I didn't feel at home on the planet, and this was a compelling reason I got into metaphysics and astrology when I was 15. My family emigrated to Brazil during a revolution in the country where I was born, and then later split up. My father and I came to the U.S. I was placed in a Catholic home for girls and grew up there. Being in a heavily Christian environment both at home and at school, and in the wider culture, was a foil for the first house Pluto, but I didn't really understand the dynamics involved until I studied Jungian psychology. There's a certain tension between Christianity, which is also a predominant influence in the West, and the Plutonic sensibility on the other. Pluto represents the split off shadow of Christianity and the darker and yet more potent aspects of the Divine Feminine. Jungian analyst, Sylvia Brinton Perera, writes about the demotion of the Great Goddess, her banishment to the Underworld, and the masculine divinities who took power in her place.

On a collective level, we're dealing with the aftermath and the consequences of this. Plutonic people, whether consciously or unconsciously, carry the energies of this planet that at the deepest level, are necessary for life and evolution, whether acknowledged or not.

I think what helped me most to first cope and then thrive, was understanding the significance, both individually and collectively, of Pluto in Western culture. Also, time and growing older have taught me not to take the cultural situation so personally.

I've also found other people who are like myself, particularly in the fields of astrology and depth psychology, and also people who are very serious about psychological and spiritual growth, particularly spiritual teachers. It's given me a ground to stand on internally, one that isn't based on external sources of validation and acceptance. So, I don't feel I have to suffer or repress my emotions.

posted April 10, 2015 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly.

The only type of nonmonogamy that was acceptable was polygamy. Polyandry was an expressly verboten concept. But in recent times, not only is polyamory being explored, but there's an entire subculture emerging which is directed towards polyandry. It's like a reawakening of the old feminine with a new face. Rather exciting, actually.

It's not the free-for-all sexual revolution of the '60s, but a revolution of intimacy, commitment, and what constitutes the aforementioned. We're beginning to question everything that's transpired up to this point, and are prepared to explore brand new directions in that collective investigation.

To me, that feels both very Plutonian AND Uranian.

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Very well said, Aubyanne!

posted April 10, 2015 09:36 PM            

Shallowness is the reason I don't like Mystic Medusa site very much. Please, Mystic Medusa fans here, don't take it as an attack, I'm just expressing my honest opinion. To me, that site is like Cosmopolitan of astrological websites. Their "How To Tell If Someone Has Scorpio Rising" actually made me laugh...So trivial...

I also live with relative who is EXTREMELY materialistic. And while I do realize that money is important, that person seems to think that money is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in the world and I'm VERY disgusted by that. Yep, they try to support me in my ambitions (I'm quite good at drawing and I'd like to become a great artist one day ), but don't understand higher values, art and self-expression, at least not enough to TRULY support me. Once they suggested to me they can talk with the director of our local gallery and get my creations to exhibitions. I tried very hard to contain myself, I was SO incredibly furious. They don't understand that I want my drawings to be in galleries because I'm a good artist whose drawings are unique and have depth, not because someone has arranged it for me!!!

posted April 11, 2015 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Wow, amazing. I love hearing others' stories on how they learned to harness all of that intensity.

Are your romantic relationships emotionally satisfying despits this redirection?

How did you learn to conceal your intensity?

I find it unfair and even cruel that we have to suffer and repress our emotions just because others aren't confortable with the inner depths of human experience.

Maybe I'm wrong. Meh.

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No, I don't see it as concealing anything, it's just re-balancing. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to focus their entire energy and mind onto another person, it leads to obsession and losing your identity. When you focus your deep intensity and passion onto other areas of life, you become a stronger and more balanced individual, so you enter relationships with the mentality of a "partner", rather than a "care-taker" or someone too dependant. Then people are usually deeply inspired and fascinated by your intensity, rather than feeling intimidated by it. Hopefully I'm making sense

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Originally posted by peony:
I like thinking more in terms of the collective. There's a freedom in this.

I've also found that having a cause or a larger orientation speaks to an outer planet in the 7H also. I think it's too much for one person to carry the archetypal energy (projection) of an outer planet for another person. I don't think that works very well because we're meant to make that energy conscious and integrate it in order to be whole.

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hi peony - well said, I couldn't agree more! Very interesting observation on outer planets in 7H, this makes perfect sense and it explained a lot about a person I know with a 7H Neptune. You're spot on as ever!