posted April 10, 2015 10:30 AM            

Above, I created a list of all of the attributes that came to mind when describing a person who is mainly plutonian in nature or has a lot of pluto or Scorpio in their charts.

Based off personal experiences, social media, personal relationships, etc. people nowadays just aren't into commitment, marriage, emotional depth, etc.

It's all about money, material things, and living in the moment. It's not surprising that as parents continue to get younger and younger as the generations go by, more and more Uranus/Aquarius is showing up in the charts of many people.

How do you think this has affected all of us Plutonian/Scorpio individiuals?

How do you adjust day to day?

What are some things you do to cope with the lack of depth surrounding you?

Are you being fulfilled in your relationships despite such a huge need for freedom and detachment from your partners?

Do you even experience these thoughts, feelings?

I should probably be clear with my question or my topic:

My question is, all of you who are plutonian/scorpio or even pisces or cancer, how do you deal with generation that doesn't share the same emotional depth or intensity as you?

It might sound crazy or a lot simpler than what I'm making of it, but I'm just really curious to know how others view the world at large and how you view yourself in it taking into account your emotions, mindset, etc.

I chose water signs because I believe we tend to have the hardest times in relationships amongst other signs because we take everything so seriously and to heart while a Sagittarius or an Aquarius probably didn't even think twice about the same situation.

I'm noticing more and more from my past and even now that the happiest women who are successful in their relationships (no real karma, most men won't mind being in a relationship with, high school cheerleader, etc) are either fire or air-dominated. Earth too, but very much less so than the other two.

Could there be some truth behind that observation? Or am I just trying to generalize again?

I know aspects, personal planets, house placements, etc modifies all of this so if we could discuss all demensions of it. Anyone with a lot of pluto aspects, neptune aspects, etc.

Also, the title may be a little off.. from my understanding, we're currently in the Aquarian age of technological advancement, free-thinking, and unconventional norms.

posted April 10, 2015 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
What technically makes someone Plutonian? I think we need clarity there.
Some say that if they have several aspects to pluto, or lots of Scorpio.
Several sites that I've read on say that it's whatever planet rules your Asc is what you are.
Some say if there is a planet conjunct your asc from the first house, then you are that.

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Anything involving pluto/scorpio and other water signs, placements. At least that's what I meant. If the one of the two planets in aspect, isn't pluto, then it doesn't count for my question.

I want to focus on strictly water signs, placements with a focus on Pluto/Scorpio.

Why?

posted April 10, 2015 10:57 AM            

My personal realisation is that this intensity, when directed towards other people in the form of (most often romantic) projection, can be very damaging. But when directed to other forms of passion, it is even complimentary to our current Uranian age. I, for example, started getting involved in human rights and doing volunteer work, and ever since I've been at much greater peace with myself and my relationships. I still have the same values as before (i.e. I'm far from having an "Uranian" ideal for a romantic relationship, I'm still very Plutonic in this area ), but I no longer worry, obsess or suffer because of it.

My AC is in Aquarius, and Uranus, apart from being my chart ruler, also makes other very powerful aspects in my chart, so this explains why I drifted in the humanitarian area, but the basics apply for any other areas of passion. As long as the intensity is directed towards the person's own talents, or a cause the person feels strongly about, then it can bring nothing but joy, I think. And this way, the intensity is not concentrated solely on romantic relationships

posted April 10, 2015 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I resonate deeply with everything you said. While I'm a Cap Sun, my Scorpio Pluto is very strong in my chart - it sits opposite my Moon and squares my Venus and AC, and I have Mars in Scorpio as well. I've always been very intense about relationships (I've very rarely shown it though, mainly for the reasons you described in your post) - not just romantic relationships, but also family relations, friendships, even work relationships.

My personal realisation is that this intensity, when directed towards other people in the form of (most often romantic) projection, can be very damaging. But when directed to other forms of passion, it is even complimentary to our current Uranian age. I, for example, started getting involved in human rights and doing volunteer work, and ever since I've been at much greater peace with myself and my relationships. I still have the same values as before (i.e. I'm far from having an "Uranian" ideal for a romantic relationship, I'm still very Plutonic in this area ), but I no longer worry, obsess or suffer because of it.

My AC is in Aquarius, and Uranus, apart from being my chart ruler, also makes other very powerful aspects in my chart, so this explains why I drifted in the humanitarian area, but the basics apply for any other areas of passion. As long as the intensity is directed towards the person's own talents, or a cause the person feels strongly about, then it can bring nothing but joy, I think. And this way, the intensity is not concentrated solely on romantic relationships

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Wow, amazing. I love hearing others' stories on how they learned to harness all of that intensity.

Are your romantic relationships emotionally satisfying despits this redirection?

How did you learn to conceal your intensity?

I find it unfair and even cruel that we have to suffer and repress our emotions just because others aren't confortable with the inner depths of human experience.

Maybe I'm wrong. Meh.

posted April 10, 2015 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Someone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in libra will be less intense than soneone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in Scorpio. It's a sifferent depth which is why I want to strictly focus on Pluto.

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But Pluto in Scorpio is a generational placement. So many of us have Pluto in Scorpio just as many have Pluto in Virgo, Libra etc. Scorpio is not only ruled by Pluto, it is ruled by Mars and co-ruled by Pluto. How do you figure someone would be less intense because their Pluto isn't in Scorpio? Are you saying that all of us in the Pluto in Scorpio generation are intense? Because that's far from the truth.

posted April 10, 2015 11:21 AM            

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Someone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in libra will be less intense than soneone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in Scorpio.

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posted April 10, 2015 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]Someone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in libra will be less intense than soneone with venus in aquarius conjunct pluto in Scorpio.

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posted April 10, 2015 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
DeepFreeze you are Plutonian. Your Pluto is conjunct your Asc and in the 1st house.

But Pluto in Scorpio is a generational placement. So many of us have Pluto in Scorpio just as many have Pluto in Virgo, Libra etc. Scorpio is not only ruled by Pluto, it is ruled by Mars and co-ruled by Pluto. How do you figure someone would be less intense because their Pluto isn't in Scorpio? Are you saying that all of us in the Pluto in Scorpio generation are intense? Because that's far from the truth.

Plutonian to me is someone with Pluto in their 1st and/or conjunct their Asc. Just like Venusian is someone with Venus in their first and so on. You can have a ton of Scorpio but that just it, a ton of Scorpio. That doesn't make you anymore Plutonian considering Scorpio is ruled by two planets.

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Pluto is generational yes, but if it makes no aspects to personal planets, then this question is obviously not for you unless it's in the 1st house as you said.

posted April 10, 2015 11:33 AM            

That's pretty much it.

posted April 10, 2015 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Yanmorg, do you have any Uranus personal aspects?

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I'm glad you asked.. guilty as charged.

Moon in libra (5th house) square Uranus in Capricorn (8th house).

Sun in Scorpio (6th house) sextile Uranus.

Mercury in Scorpio retrograde Quintile Uranus (0.27 degrees)

Mars (7th house cusp) in Sagittarius semi-square Uranus (2.09 degrees).

Mars is also conjunct Pluto in Scorpio (6th house).

Aries is my 12th house ruler which probably adds a watery Neptunian undertone to it as well.

posted April 10, 2015 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I simply keep to myself and the people that I love. I don't engage in things that I don't care about and only pay enough attention to be reasonably informed. (Trends, etc) I don't follow celebs whatsoever.
If it meant that I would be alone (I'm not obviously) then I would be alone.
I stay true to myself. I don't need anyone's approval to be who I am.

That's pretty much it.

Pluto in Libra conjunct asc in first.
Uranus in Scorpio conjunct nn and trine moon.
I actually think that my Leo Sun square Jupiter contributes to this thinking also.

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I do this as well, but I find it very limiting.

I feel we need that interaction just to gain that insight.

The only issue is, I always happen to get scarred in the process.

posted April 10, 2015 11:46 AM            

Are your Sun and Mercury conjunct Pluto? Where's Venus?

posted April 10, 2015 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

Pluto is generational yes, but if it makes no aspects to personal planets, then this question is obviously not for you unless it's in the 1st house as you said.

& I don't believe that having a ton of Scorpio doesn't equate to being Plutonian. Also, Pluto is its natural ruler. And quite honestly, I don't even include Mars as even a co-ruler. I'll leave that to it's natural home with Aries.

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You might want to add that in your post then or you'll have lots of confused people not sure of what you're asking and how to correctly answer.

posted April 10, 2015 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Air 5th house Moon square Uranus. It's interesting that you still ended up disliking the nature of this planet

Are your Sun and Mercury conjunct Pluto? Where's Venus?

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Aunt Anomalia, I do believe my Uranus aspects allows me to simply be aware of Uranian energy so I wouldn'f completely go insane. If I had no uranus aspects, i would probably be a nervous wreck trying to handle all of that fixed energy.

posted April 10, 2015 11:50 AM            

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Pluto it's natural ruler? Eh, okay. You can't be selective. Mars is its ruler while Pluto is its co-ruler. I think that's clear in any interpretation you read on Scorpio. Some signs do have two rulers ya know lol. Anyways, sorry for derailing there. Just try to help whenever I see confusion or the sharing of incorrect information.

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posted April 10, 2015 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Pluto is the official Scorpio ruler in modern western astrology. If someone honors traditional astrology, then they can use Mars as the co-ruler.

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posted April 10, 2015 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Depth
Intensity
Passion
Psychological analysis
Investigative
Attachment
Cling
Emotions
Hypersensitive

Above, I created a list of all of the attributes that came to mind when describing a person who is mainly plutonian in nature or has a lot of pluto or Scorpio in their charts.

Based off personal experiences, social media, personal relationships, etc. people nowadays just aren't into commitment, marriage, emotional depth, etc.

It's all about money, material things, and living in the moment. It's not surprising that as parents continue to get younger and younger as the generations go by, more and more Uranus/Aquarius is showing up in the charts of many people.

How do you think this has affected all of us Plutonian/Scorpio individiuals?

How do you adjust day to day?

What are some things you do to cope with the lack of depth surrounding you?

Are you being fulfilled in your relationships despite such a huge need for freedom and detachment from your partners?

Do you even experience these thoughts, feelings?

I should probably be clear with my question or my topic:

My question is, all of you who are plutonian/scorpio or even pisces or cancer, how do you deal with generation that doesn't share the same emotional depth or intensity as you?

It might sound crazy or a lot simpler than what I'm making of it, but I'm just really curious to know how others view the world at large and how you view yourself in it taking into account your emotions, mindset, etc.

I chose water signs because I believe we tend to have the hardest times in relationships amongst other signs because we take everything so seriously and to heart while a Sagittarius or an Aquarius probably didn't even think twice about the same situation.

I'm noticing more and more from my past and even now that the happiest women who are successful in their relationships (no real karma, most men won't mind being in a relationship with, high school cheerleader, etc) are either fire or air-dominated. Earth too, but very much less so than the other two.

Could there be some truth behind that observation? Or am I just trying to generalize again?

I know aspects, personal planets, house placements, etc modifies all of this so if we could discuss all demensions of it. Anyone with a lot of pluto aspects, neptune aspects, etc.

Also, the title may be a little off.. from my understanding, we're currently in the Aquarian age of technological advancement, free-thinking, and unconventional norms.

[b] Earth signs can probably relate to a certain extent too, but I find those individuals to posess stronger resiliency than us water signs. [/B]

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i'm quite plutonian, it's a close second after my saturnand to be honest sometimes i feel like everyone around me is walking around with rose tinted glasses and it can sometimes break my heart to watch when they get hurt and have to take the glasses off. i don't know why but i feel quite protective and maternal to those who have those rose tinted glasses. i think it's because to me it's a luxury and kindness i was never provided. but day to day i keep my mouth shut otherwise i get ostracised for being 'too sensitive, too negative, a bummer' by the people around me that then to be fire and air signs so it's best to just be there to offer comfort when it all falls apart

because it's so hard for me to find other plutonians that are on the same wavelength as i am - when i do find someone that sees and is affected by the world the same way i am, i hold on with both both hands and legs because it's just so rare for me

posted April 10, 2015 12:04 PM            

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Mars is its ruler while Pluto is its co-ruler.

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To me a co-ruler is like a vice president.

posted April 10, 2015 12:23 PM            

There's a subtle war between myself and society all the time. I am an Aquarius - Sun sign is a singleton. My drive in life is to be humane. Bottom line. But the Uranian Age is so very liberal and "light" in contrast to my heavy water/earth chart.

The execution rarely goes right and it enrages me often. I express my concerns about injustices with vigor and passion and it goes right over people's heads! Mars/Saturn [Scorpio] conjunction in 11H. It's like for exp. ME: "Hey, did you see the news article about another teenager committing suicide on account of being bullied? We HAVE to be more vocal in the community to rally against bullying." -SHE: "That's true, so sad" Then 2 days later I'm still serious about getting this cause jump-started, while she's more concerned with talking about last night's episode of Scandal!

So yes there are blockages coupled with the drive and aggression nestled right into the House of Aquarius Again, this in square to my Sun. So I'm always intense and hypersensitive about the clash I have always had with others, pushing a cause or planning a simple group gathering!

I am "too serious" for the Aquarian age as weird as that sounds to me. Feeling like a fish out of water. I'm almost sure that if I were a more airy or fiery chart, many would be more receptive to a cause I push. But uhhhhh...all this intensity obviously throws heaviness on what the Aquarian Age is all about. Duh....

posted April 10, 2015 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
My personal realization is that this intensity, when directed towards other people in the form of (most often romantic) projection, can be very damaging. But when directed to other forms of passion, it is even complimentary to our current Uranian age. I, for example, started getting involved in human rights and doing volunteer work, and ever since I've been at much greater peace with myself and my relationships. I still have the same values as before (i.e. I'm far from having an "Uranian" ideal for a romantic relationship, I'm still very Plutonic in this area ), but I no longer worry, obsess or suffer because of it.

My AC is in Aquarius, and Uranus, apart from being my chart ruler, also makes other very powerful aspects in my chart, so this explains why I drifted in the humanitarian area, but the basics apply for any other areas of passion. As long as the intensity is directed towards the person's own talents, or a cause the person feels strongly about, then it can bring nothing but joy, I think. And this way, the intensity is not concentrated solely on romantic relationships

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SaturnFan, I've had the same realization and experience. I am a Sun-Pluto and Moon-Uranus, but I also have Aquarius on the 7H cusp with Uranus in the 11H and have become more Aquarian over time. I like thinking more in terms of the collective. There's a freedom in this.

I've also found that having a cause or a larger orientation speaks to an outer planet in the 7H also. I think it's too much for one person to carry the archetypal energy (projection) of an outer planet for another person. I don't think that works very well because we're meant to make that energy conscious and integrate it in order to be whole.