posted April 16, 2015 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hey astra7,

If moving out is not an option, then Pluto wants you to deal with this specific situation directly before it allows you to move on, I'd guess.
Pluto might want your ego to die, as in perceptions you have about yourself, only for a new, stronger ego to emerge afterwards. This might be exactly what you're experiencing now, the helplessness and suffocation is making your ego feel powerless, so it reacts by declaring war. It seems like the 'purpose' of this whole horrible situation, considering your Pluto-Sun square, is for you to let go of some old ideas and thoughts about yourself, and discover new ones, thus building a stronger identity. You've been tolerating/ living in this situation for years, and now that it has reached its culmination, you're forced to deal with it and eventually exit it with greater awareness of what you will and will not tolerate in the future.

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Astrology aside, I don't think doing nothing is an option. But I'm also worried that if you start a war of casting spells on each other, you might suffer more while this situation plays out. Can you perform some kind of 'cleaning' ritual in your home? This seems perfectly aligned with what we discussed briefly in the New Moon thread. If his spell was powerful enough to impact you in this way, then you are powerful enough to chase it away from your home. In fact, you overpowering what you perceive as a spell/ influence from another person, might be exactly what Pluto wants from you. You are experiencing this guy exercising some sort of power over you, and you see it manifesting in the material world, including your physical body. I truly believe the lesson from this situation is that nobody has this kind of power over you.

Is it possible to ensure that neither of these individuals enters your home in the future? I sincerely hope the landlord doesn't have keys and the habit of inviting himself in when he pleases.

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posted April 16, 2015 07:09 PM            

I think less trusting is probably good. The matter of the fact is, there are awful lot of people who are mean and nasty even though they are friendly and smiling...that is the cunning bit and I think Pluto showed you the true picture of our sad society.

I have tPluto trine nVenus inwaiting soon....yet another obsession. I can deal with MY own obsession and curve that but I can't control other people's obsession other than walk away and cut the tie completely in Scorpionic fashion.

posted April 17, 2015 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
graduated from Pluto transit

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Lovely way to put it And you'll be a graduate soon!

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Originally posted by astra7:
I guess the old belief is that I am powerless and this idea has ramped up 1000 times now with this transit. But I do know I also have power (without being too big headed), it just that I didn't exercise it before. I really hate the power trip stuff....

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You have a lot of negative ideas about power, which I think will be brought down with this transit. Power doesn't need to be all about the ego, or about harming people, or exercising it at the expense of others. Power can be self-reliance, self-confidence, trust in your own abilities, trust in yourself that you can survive adversity, not being easily shaken by people or events, staying true to your soul/ direction/ values. In relation to others, it can be power of negotiation, diplomacy, charisma, insight, etc. The most powerful individual I knew, was a manager/ mentor of mine, who used to be targeted all the time by people who wanted to discredit him and/or take his position (yes, the corporation I work in is that bad ), but he never engaged with them in their games and just did his own thing. He was immovable like a rock, without ever having to demonstrate power through a specific act in response to the manoeuvres people tried on him.
In your situation, I believe you will find a positive way to use your personal power, without feeling bad or guilty about it, and you'll carry this power with you for the rest of your life. But before you stop seeing power as something that comes in response to other people's power, and start seeing it as something which you carry all the time with you and just need to activate, I'm afraid you might struggle to resolve the situation with your neighbours.

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Originally posted by astra7:
With very little knowledge on magick and from brief skim reading on the internet, I too, was concerned about magick coming back at me. So I've seeking spell to reflect it back to the sender. This is a form of defence rather than an attack though some says this is still a sin but to hell with it. I am doomed if I do or if I don't! I'm reading up as much as possible...it's a tall order to do this spell as my first!! But timing seems right.... New Moon in a couple of days time and darkest moon seems to be the perfect timing for this kind of ritual.

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I have no experience in magic, I've only gone as far as throwing out gifts from people, who I've felt didn't mean well. If you feel so unsure about it, I'd advise against it - the best thing might be performing some kind of ritual to protect your home, rather than something directed towards these people.
But, this situation and transit is highly personal to you, and you're supposed to figure your way out of it, so you should do what you feel is best.

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Originally posted by astra7:
I don't know if you get the picture,it's difficult.

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posted April 17, 2015 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
You have a lot of negative ideas about power, which I think will be brought down with this transit. Power doesn't need to be all about the ego, or about harming people, or exercising it at the expense of others. Power can be self-reliance, self-confidence, trust in your own abilities, trust in yourself that you can survive adversity, not being easily shaken by people or events, staying true to your soul/ direction/ values. In relation to others, it can be power of negotiation, diplomacy, charisma, insight, etc. The most powerful individual I knew, was a manager/ mentor of mine, who used to be targeted all the time by people who wanted to discredit him and/or take his position (yes, the corporation I work in is that bad ), but he never engaged with them in their games and just did his own thing. He was immovable like a rock, without ever having to demonstrate power through a specific act in response to the manoeuvres people tried on him.
In your situation, I believe you will find a positive way to use your personal power, without feeling bad or guilty about it, and you'll carry this power with you for the rest of your life. But before you stop seeing power as something that comes in response to other people's power, and start seeing it as something which you carry all the time with you and just need to activate, I'm afraid you might struggle to resolve the situation with your neighbours.

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I do get it, and I empathise. I've had my own battles with neighbours, though nothing as nearly as invasive and hostile as with your situation, and it was nerve-wrecking so I can only imagine what it is for you. I sincerely wish you a lot of strength with this, hopefully you'll overcome it soon!!!

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posted April 17, 2015 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
I also have mars im libra, intrecepted. This means, of course, that ive got aries intercepted, as well. Its no more tham 2 degrees from pluto in scorp, and i feel that pluto is forever tinkering with it. Just here to offer a fist bump of support. This is all A+ advice. Assert yourself to these jerks. And then do something kind, to reclaim your true power

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posted April 19, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
You know I started a thread the other day about one of the neighbors inviting himself into my home (horrible synastry with multiple Pluto squares). Immediately after he left, a blackbird visited where I was standing and started to eat a snail in a shell. First I was intrigued that a bird comes so near while a person is standing there. Then I thought...this is an omen. Pray, Victim.
I don't want to play the victim role but that's how the blackbird was showing me. I will never open my door to him.

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I haven't read the whole thread but you can bolster your Mars with yoga practices to strengthen the third chakra. I'd also suggest wearing red.

posted April 19, 2015 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmi:
Hi Astra7,
Following up on our conversation from a different thread… As I wrote, I went through tr Pluto square Sun many years ago. It was a part of a series of multiple Pluto transits (to MC, Moon, ASC and Sun). I was in a private high school where people were very ambitious, very arrogant, egoistic, overly self-confident, and sometimes simply ruthless… I felt very weak, inferior, not compatible with the rest, and not as smart as others. In fact, it turned out that I got admitted to the best university in my country! And here goes the first positive effect of negative Pluto transits: From feeling inferior, I wanted to prove to myself that I can succeed, I managed, and found my own power and self-confidence.
Tr Pluto squared my Sun when started university in another city. I rented a flat with two girls with whom I went to the high school. I thought they were ok and I didn’t expect the problems. I signed a contract for one year. Well, the collocation was a nightmare and there were many situations in which I had to really stand up for myself. The good thing is that I found this power within me to do so, the negative one is that I stopped trusting people in general for a long time. I met other bad and mean people in my life, before and after that, but this was really tough….

I have the impression that after this series of Pluto transits I developed a tougher skin, I am much stronger, self-confident and I deal much better with nasty people and situations…It is NOT uncommon to meet ruthless or evil people during hard Pluto transits and I think the lesson is to stand up for yourself and become stronger…but not to sink to their level, and not to become as they are.

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posted April 19, 2015 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
astra7, if you are determined to do spells/ magic, do something that will protect you, but don't direct any of it towards other people. Just do a spell which would keep harmful energy outside of your home.

As for dealing with your neighbours and asserting yourself, there has to be another way. Especially if your SN points to history with magic, this is something you should moving away from.

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Madonna and child image came up on the protective side of candle but it's too late! If she was looking after me, all of this would not have come to this. So I'll do what I need to do. Tired of thinking, I can't do this, I can't do that!

tbh, I think his spell have also affected other residents in the house. Mainly health problem and danger to life. Anyway, he's a kind of person who does what he likes regardless of others who may be dragged into it and it's dangerous because he can't think of consequence.

posted April 19, 2015 02:56 PM            

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I haven't read the whole thread but you can bolster your Mars with yoga practices to strengthen the third chakra. I'd also suggest wearing red.

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posted April 19, 2015 04:29 PM            

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Pluto wants you to become conscious of your personal power. It will create external events and circumstances, which you'll experience as repressive, restrictive and outside of your control, so you will be forced to look for strength within rather than in the external world.
You being "surrounded by obsessive, controlling and manipulative, passive-agressive males", will inevitably lead you to continously think "Who does he think he is, trying to manipulate me?", "Why would he even presume he has any power over me?", "Why would I allow myself to be dictated by someone's passive-aggressive attitude?", which will lead to feeling of helplessness, then anger, even rage, until you finally realise there is nobody on this world who has any power over you, unless you allow it. Once you become conscious of this fact, these external events/ individuals will disappear from your life. It's not about them, it's about you.
I've always been a person to quickly engage with people who represent something I stand against - while it's fine for the moment, it never helps the issue in the long-term. Either the same person, or a different person with the same traits will pop up again very soon, so it's easy to find yourself in a loop. Once you internalise what they're here to show you about yourself, they just stop appearing in your life - speaking from personal experience

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WOWWW SATURNFAN... I have been going through a situation since feb'15. My "so-called" friends were manipulating me and controlling me emotionally. I confronted them and they accepted it and everything has been spiral up-down since then. These people still are playing with me daily. I used to ignore this earlier and ignored for 3 years but now I see what is actually going on. It's crystal clear. Since 1st confrontation i have confronted them 5 more times. But 2 days ago I confronted them and realized they haven't changed and will never change and it's just a life lesson before starting my career in an organization as they are still playing me and I decided not to let them affect me anymore. Afterall, it was my mistake that I ignored my suspicion about them. I don't trust their words or excuses anymore. I'am feeling really better since I decided not to let them affect me and learn from my mistakes and move on.

P.S. Your each word resonated with my situation that's why I had to reply in the thread. THANKS... Your reply here, confirmed the answer for my question I was asking GOD!

posted April 19, 2015 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Hum, are you sure its just Mars in Libra? Because I have my Mars in Cancer. But since I have Moon/Pluto in scorpio...well. You do not want to see me when I go in the dark side. I get very creative with my revenge. Albeit I don't do it anymore. Karma sucks and I got sick after being nasty to others. It's not my true nature.

I have been the victim of magical/spiritual attacks in my life. I have been hated and bullied. Yes, it's pretty horrible. But you need to strengthen yourself. Your light. Your protective aura.
Do positive work on yourself. Try to get of the stress and worry, address your failures.
When you do...no spells from your neighbour will touch you.

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posted April 19, 2015 05:13 PM            

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WOWWW SATURNFAN... I have been going through a situation since feb'15. My "so-called" friends were manipulating me and controlling me emotionally. I confronted them and they accepted it and everything has been spiral up-down since then. These people still are playing with me daily. I used to ignore this earlier and ignored for 3 years but now I see what is actually going on. It's crystal clear. Since 1st confrontation i have confronted them 5 more times. But 2 days ago I confronted them and realized they haven't changed and will never change and it's just a life lesson before starting my career in an organization as they are still playing me and I decided not to let them affect me anymore. Afterall, it was my mistake that I ignored my suspicion about them. I don't trust their words or excuses anymore. I'am feeling really better since I decided not to let them affect me and learn from my mistakes and move on.

P.S. Your each word resonated with my situation that's why I had to reply in the thread. THANKS... Your reply here, confirmed the answer for my question I was asking GOD!

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In my case, I decided not to confront what he's doing to me. 1) He will most likely to use it against me later on, spreading rumour to my other neighbors that I believe in magical power etc.... 2) If he wants to, he will carry on anyway. In another words, there is no point.