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astra7
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posted April 14, 2015 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am surrounded by obsessive, controlling and manipulative, passive-agressive males right now and all I want to do is hide. I feel physically sick sensing their energy too. They are not my friends or lovers. Two are neighbors and it's not as simple as I could walk away from them though I try my best to avoid them. The problem has always been there but tPluto squaring my Sun, the effect have ramped up! What am I supposed to do? I am prepared to hide for months and years till this aspect moves away from me. Advise please.

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posted April 14, 2015 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll never be empowered until you learn to appropriately position and assert yourself and pick your battles -- if any.

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posted April 14, 2015 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
You'll never be empowered until you learn to appropriately position and assert yourself and pick your battles -- if any.



Pick my battles? In another words, nothing other than head on war then.

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posted April 14, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, they will continue doing the same thing as long as you stay quiet. You need to be brave to show your position to them... I know that sometimes war is needed. I had a war with my mother not tooo long ago, now she respects me. Maybe these guys will respect you from the battle on?

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posted April 14, 2015 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEA, sometimes all people understand is being beaten down

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posted April 14, 2015 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know having a dreaded Mars in Libra, I hate confrontation. I'd have to resort to a help of magick which is one form of powers to remedy power struggle. I see it this way, some have muscles and battle on physically, others have mental power and they use that for their battle. I'm googling for banishing spells now.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
You know having a dreaded Mars in Libra, I hate confrontation. I'd have to resort to a help of magick which is one form of powers to remedy power struggle. I see it this way, some have muscles and battle on physically, others have mental power and they use that for their battle.


I have Mars in cancer but if you don't stand up, you will be walked on.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I have Mars in cancer but if you don't stand up, you will be walked on.




Thanks Ami Anne. I understand what you are saying. I really hate power trip...you know. I don't need to show anybody I have power or have needs to flex my power. *sigh*

You know I started a thread the other day about one of the neighbors inviting himself into my home (horrible synastry with multiple Pluto squares). Immediately after he left, a blackbird visited where I was standing and started to eat a snail in a shell. First I was intrigued that a bird comes so near while a person is standing there. Then I thought...this is an omen. Pray, Victim.
I don't want to play the victim role but that's how the blackbird was showing me. I will never open my door to him.

If he really chase me, comes on strong, I will tell him that I don't feel comfortable people coming into my home since another neighbor tried to kill me.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole walk is really hard. You don't want to be a hard azz.

You don't want to be walked on.

It is pure and simple--a struggle

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posted April 14, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel physically sick.

OK, I will sleep on this and may be...just may be a bright idea might come. mnnn or may be I will read Persephone's story and see what she inspires me. I am definitely in underworld now.

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posted April 14, 2015 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by astra7:
I feel physically sick.

OK, I will sleep on this and may be...just may be a bright idea might come. mnnn or may be I will read Persephone's story and see what she inspires me. I am definitely in underworld now.



I get sick, too, but little by little, I get better.

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posted April 14, 2015 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Ami Anne (((Hugs)))
Since it's Pluto, I know I am in for a longhaul.

Funny, I know how to get rid of entities but not human I guess it's time I learned. LOL My nPluto in 8th H by the way.

Right I am off to buy black candles. New moon is 4 days away.... will start my spell then.

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posted April 14, 2015 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto wants you to become conscious of your personal power. It will create external events and circumstances, which you'll experience as repressive, restrictive and outside of your control, so you will be forced to look for strength within rather than in the external world.
You being "surrounded by obsessive, controlling and manipulative, passive-agressive males", will inevitably lead you to continously think "Who does he think he is, trying to manipulate me?", "Why would he even presume he has any power over me?", "Why would I allow myself to be dictated by someone's passive-aggressive attitude?", which will lead to feeling of helplessness, then anger, even rage, until you finally realise there is nobody on this world who has any power over you, unless you allow it. Once you become conscious of this fact, these external events/ individuals will disappear from your life. It's not about them, it's about you.
I've always been a person to quickly engage with people who represent something I stand against - while it's fine for the moment, it never helps the issue in the long-term. Either the same person, or a different person with the same traits will pop up again very soon, so it's easy to find yourself in a loop. Once you internalise what they're here to show you about yourself, they just stop appearing in your life - speaking from personal experience

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posted April 14, 2015 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi astra7!!

I have a MArs in Libra in the 12th house... I do hate too, but I learned that soemtimes, for you to build peace, you need to do war...

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Originally posted by astra7:
You know having a dreaded Mars in Libra, I hate confrontation. I'd have to resort to a help of magick which is one form of powers to remedy power struggle. I see it this way, some have muscles and battle on physically, others have mental power and they use that for their battle. I'm googling for banishing spells now.

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posted April 14, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astra

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posted April 14, 2015 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Astra7


Ami Anne and SaturnFan are so right.


You know, you have the right to not answer your

door, if you don't want to.

Same goes for the phone.

It's there for YOUR convenience, no one else's.

If you do answer the door, step outside and close

it behind you.

When you're done (not him; you), kindly excuse yourself

because you must be going.


I had a salesperson trying to work me over at the mall

the other day- she wouldn't stop talking.

I finally put my hand on her shoulder and said

I am so sorry, but I'm in a hurry and I need to go.

Thank you for your time.

And I left.


You can do it.

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posted April 14, 2015 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big thumbs up for you SaturnFan, how great to read these words you write.

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posted April 14, 2015 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all Thank you everyone for your support.
I tell you what, this is probably the hardest aspect I've encountered. It makes Saturn (chart ruler) transit child's play honestly. I've got a quite strong Pluto though since it makes many aspects.

Can you believe it? I've been walking around looking for black candles and none that is suitable for in my local area. Will have to try other places tomorrow.

tUranus on my Sun is also making me very rebellious. Playing Aerosmith LIVE loud since my neighbor upstairs complained that I play my music loud to his landlord who is the passive-agressor. But my loud music only comes out of my laptop speakerrrr *rolleyes* There is absolutely no sound insulation and I'm fed up listening to their conversation, arguments, sex etc.... That's it. I had enough. This is WAR!

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Pluto wants you to become conscious of your personal power. It will create external events and circumstances, which you'll experience as repressive, restrictive and outside of your control, so you will be forced to look for strength within rather than in the external world.

Yes, that makes sense.

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You being "surrounded by obsessive, controlling and manipulative, passive-agressive males", will inevitably lead you to continously think "Who does he think he is, trying to manipulate me?", "Why would he even presume he has any power over me?", "Why would I allow myself to be dictated by someone's passive-aggressive attitude?", which will lead to feeling of helplessness, then anger, even rage, until you finally realise there is nobody on this world who has any power over you, unless you allow it. Once you become conscious of this fact, these external events/ individuals will disappear from your life. It's not about them, it's about you.
I've always been a person to quickly engage with people who represent something I stand against - while it's fine for the moment, it never helps the issue in the long-term. Either the same person, or a different person with the same traits will pop up again very soon, so it's easy to find yourself in a loop. Once you internalise what they're here to show you about yourself, they just stop appearing in your life - speaking from personal experience

I don't think "Who does he think he is, trying to manipulate me?", I don't question this either because I know he is a psychopath. -> "Why would he even presume he has any power over me?" "Why would I allow myself to be dictated by someone's passive-aggressive attitude?"<-- Exactly. He took away properties which I told him not to and replaced it with something else and forcing us to use this. I refuse to use it, why would I have to obey!?!!! I know he doesn't have power over me. I am working out my plan get back at him. I know the b*tard doesn't own me.

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Hi astra7!!

I have a MArs in Libra in the 12th house... I do hate too, but I learned that soemtimes, for you to build peace, you need to do war...



Thanks for the encouragement! I thought everyone was going to say, don't go to WAR....etc lol I think only remedy is to do the opposite of what our nMars behaves.

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
@Astra7


Ami Anne and SaturnFan are so right.


You know, you have the right to not answer your

door, if you don't want to.

Same goes for the phone.

It's there for YOUR convenience, no one else's.

If you do answer the door, step outside and close

it behind you.

When you're done (not him; you), kindly excuse yourself

because you must be going.


I had a salesperson trying to work me over at the mall

the other day- she wouldn't stop talking.

I finally put my hand on her shoulder and said

I am so sorry, but I'm in a hurry and I need to go.

Thank you for your time.

And I left.


You can do it.

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Thanks for beliving in me.
It's true about phone etc.... it's for my convenience. I stopped using phone anyway. I get far too many stalkers e.g. neighbor, ex, family lol


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posted April 15, 2015 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Pluto wants you to become conscious of your personal power. It will create external events and circumstances, which you'll experience as repressive, restrictive and outside of your control, so you will be forced to look for strength within rather than in the external world.
You being "surrounded by obsessive, controlling and manipulative, passive-agressive males", will inevitably lead you to continously think "Who does he think he is, trying to manipulate me?", "Why would he even presume he has any power over me?", "Why would I allow myself to be dictated by someone's passive-aggressive attitude?", which will lead to feeling of helplessness, then anger, even rage, until you finally realise there is nobody on this world who has any power over you, unless you allow it. Once you become conscious of this fact, these external events/ individuals will disappear from your life. It's not about them, it's about you.
I've always been a person to quickly engage with people who represent something I stand against - while it's fine for the moment, it never helps the issue in the long-term. Either the same person, or a different person with the same traits will pop up again very soon, so it's easy to find yourself in a loop. Once you internalise what they're here to show you about yourself, they just stop appearing in your life - speaking from personal experience

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posted April 15, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, got the right kind of candles finally.
I've decided whole lot of different magick on him. He'll be my guineapig. :evil:

Just got a letter from an official and even though he is clearly in wrong, they've approved him! He always win and I thought it's gotta be magick he is doing so I did a horary. Low and behold.....

I am erupting now.

ETA: I tell you what, I was looking for old rusty nails in a cupboard and look what I found. Nine rusty nails place right next to my meter. That's it mate!

If you have any suggestion to what I should do from this person from placing harmful spells around my home...do let me know.

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posted April 15, 2015 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by astra7:
ETA: I tell you what, I was looking for old rusty nails in a cupboard and look what I found. Nine rusty nails place right next to my meter. That's it mate!

If you have any suggestion to what I should do from this person from placing harmful spells around my home...do let me know.


I'm confused.

Is that a sign of cursing your home?

The nails, I mean.

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posted April 15, 2015 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is moving out an option at all? This sounds like an irrevocably toxic situation.

Since currently Pluto is squaring your Sun (=ego), you're experiencing pressure on your ego and sense of pride and self preservation, so your act of self-defense in this situation is to fight fire with fire. Not saying this isn't the right approach, any self-defence is better than no self-defence - but, it might be best to take a step back before you entangle yourself more, and see whether you have other options in front of you.

I strongly recommend this article, it feels like it's written specifically for the kind of situation you're in.

Meeting the Pluto Archetype

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posted April 15, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SaturnFan,
I just want to thank you for the article and your post. I've been running around trying to gether ingredients and you know...when you want it, it's never there and I've been walking around all day so I'm tired now but I would like to reply properly when I get a chance to chill out. This is just a quick one.

Whever I go, I am bumping into people as if my path is blocked. Things fall down in my house...everything is disaster. I bet my neighbor buried god knows what in the garden and the garden doesn't even belong to him!! The tenant is leaving so there is no point in him doing gardening but I reckon he is frantically burying stuff before new tenants moves in! I do feel better for throwing out nine nails but he's ramped it up.

Eirlys,
Nine nails apparently used to cause harm and devastation. So there is no mistaking he wants to harm me. This is all along what I felt all those years but of course it had to come to this for me to unearth his action now. He's done one too many! Thanks for Pluto for bringing up hidden. It's no sweet story here but I'm sure he means well.

Since reading the book art of war and suggested, I won't dwell on this lost game (re: the letter I got today). I'll do better. I am a warrior.

The thing is...I don't think there is bigger version of me though. I am just me BUT when you connect with the source or gaia, you will get a whole lot better than what you can think! They give you wisdom. I don't have to be bigger. You just need to tap into the information.

quote:
"It is only when a traveler has reached his goal that he is justified in discarding his maps. During the journey, he takes advantage of any convenient short cut.”
--Sri Yukteswar

^^^ Yay baby!!
The thing is...I wouldn't have even contemplated on using magick if he was just a controlling b*tard. I would have resisted in 'normal' way but now I know he is using, I can't let him have upper hand or underhanded way. Wait for it, I am coming.

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posted April 16, 2015 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Is moving out an option at all? This sounds like an irrevocably toxic situation.

Since currently Pluto is squaring your Sun (=ego), you're experiencing pressure on your ego and sense of pride and self preservation, so your act of self-defense in this situation is to fight fire with fire. Not saying this isn't the right approach, any self-defence is better than no self-defence - but, it might be best to take a step back before you entangle yourself more, and see whether you have other options in front of you.

I strongly recommend this article, it feels like it's written specifically for the kind of situation you're in.

Meeting the Pluto Archetype



Hi SaturnFan,
Moving is not an option unfortunately.
So do you think I should do nothing and slowly die? If that's the wise things to do that's what I have to do. If he wants, if pluto wants me to die, I will die. Probably better than here and I'll die of happiness.

This morning I've been sick, my cellphone is not working, one of the email is not working. He really likes to make a hell of my life. I've done nothing to him though in magick. He just can't leave me alone. His spell that was placed couple of days ago is really working on me.

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posted April 16, 2015 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by astra7:

Hi SaturnFan,
Moving is not an option unfortunately.
So do you think I should do nothing and slowly die? If that's the wise things to do that's what I have to do. If he wants, if pluto wants me to die, I will die. Probably better than here and I'll die of happiness.

This morning I've been sick, my cellphone is not working, one of the email is not working. He really likes to make a hell of my life. I've done nothing to him though in magick. He just can't leave me alone. His spell that was placed couple of days ago is really working on me.


Hey astra7,

If moving out is not an option, then Pluto wants you to deal with this specific situation directly before it allows you to move on, I'd guess.
Pluto might want your ego to die, as in perceptions you have about yourself, only for a new, stronger ego to emerge afterwards. This might be exactly what you're experiencing now, the helplessness and suffocation is making your ego feel powerless, so it reacts by declaring war. It seems like the 'purpose' of this whole horrible situation, considering your Pluto-Sun square, is for you to let go of some old ideas and thoughts about yourself, and discover new ones, thus building a stronger identity. You've been tolerating/ living in this situation for years, and now that it has reached its culmination, you're forced to deal with it and eventually exit it with greater awareness of what you will and will not tolerate in the future.

Astrology aside, I don't think doing nothing is an option. But I'm also worried that if you start a war of casting spells on each other, you might suffer more while this situation plays out. Can you perform some kind of 'cleaning' ritual in your home? This seems perfectly aligned with what we discussed briefly in the New Moon thread. If his spell was powerful enough to impact you in this way, then you are powerful enough to chase it away from your home. In fact, you overpowering what you perceive as a spell/ influence from another person, might be exactly what Pluto wants from you. You are experiencing this guy exercising some sort of power over you, and you see it manifesting in the material world, including your physical body. I truly believe the lesson from this situation is that nobody has this kind of power over you.

Is it possible to ensure that neither of these individuals enters your home in the future? I sincerely hope the landlord doesn't have keys and the habit of inviting himself in when he pleases.

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