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bananaz
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posted April 15, 2015 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone,

I've been studying now since January. I've been looking everywhere for a place to learn and have real conversations about astrology. I joined groups on FB, but noticed they were either filled with sun sign bashing and talks of which signs are best in bed or they were heavily influenced by the admins religious/ political views so I left. The last one I left the admin literally told this girl not to start her business on a new moon because it's bad to use transits for personal gain. I was like...really? That's ridiculous. Anyway (and I apologize for the rant) LG seems like a great place to ask questions, but I just wonder about the professionals out there. Where did you learn? How did you get where you are? Books? Online? Classes? I'm very curious.

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posted April 15, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Experience and a lot of research. A lot of charts. And a pinch of insight.

Exactitude in places and times for both natal and event charts will further you along. Study the basic bones ten times over. Become familiar with each planet on its own, each sign, each house. And then do the astrological equivalent of mathematics. a + b = ? Then test it.

Above all, ask questions all the time. Of others, of yourself, your peers, and those more experienced. We are all students, just as we are all gurus. Together we are a community, and together we breathe life into this beautiful thing called (real) Astrology.

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posted April 15, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will say, honestly. I HAD to learn. I came on LL and I would look at the people who could read charts and I HAD to learn. I would not stop until I could make a 2D chart into a 3D person.

I think one has to have this kind of motivation. It is a language. It has terms and one must become fluent with the terms--signs, houses, aspects etc

House Rulers is pivotal. I have a 27 lesson course on them because they are a pivotal point from going to beginner to intermediate imo

You have to do charts over and over and over and let people tell you their stories.

You have to really love it to do all this imo

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posted April 15, 2015 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might I add, this is a personal journey, and a unique process to you. You will find what works best for you, and it will be nothing at all like what everyone else does. Astrologer A may say "this", while Astrologer B may say "that", but it boils down to what You feel is correct. That's where experience comes into play.

At its heart, astrology is merely a tool to illuminate and gain insight into the human soul and psyche. Nothing is ever black and white. It seems difficult precisely because every aspect is good and every aspect is bad. You alone will find that flicker of insight, and learn how to foster and hone it. Trust yourself, and never adhere to iron rules.

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posted April 15, 2015 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a professional, but I'm pretty versed in astrology (though I'm still learning). It's not that hard to learn astrology as long as you find the right places. For me, this is the only astro forum I've joined because I find the site easier to navigate than most forums and most of the people here are here to learn just as much as me. Most of my knowledge of astrology comes online from sites and youtube videos.

My favorite youtube astrologer is Alyssa Sharpe. She's very straight to the point and we all can relate to her not being able to understand big words. She makes astrology easy to follow, so I do recommend her videos. Another one would be Lada Duncheva. She goes into detail with mostly everything in her videos--signs, cusps, houses, etc. I think she might even have videos on vedic astrology. I've also read books before, but they're all pretty basic. The best one I read for basic astrology is Learning Astrology: An Astrology Book for Beginners by Damian Sharp.

If you're looking for a website that will teach you all the basics, I recommend http://astrolibrary.org/lessons/. This was really where I first started learning the basics of the natal chart.

And might I add, you made a good decision choosing LL. I agree that this is the best place to ask any astrology questions. The people are really friendly and supportive especially the professionals here. Plus, everybody's opinion is accepted unless they are hurtful in some way.

Hope this helps

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bananaz
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posted April 15, 2015 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone! Your responses definitely help. It's weird, but I fell into astrology the moment Neptune was conjunct with my sun, to the exact degree (I found this out later). And I just feel this need to learn more and more, but it's hard getting my hands on updated info and talking to the right people.


Blindwriter- That makes sense. I understand each astrologer is going to be different, and knowing that helps a little.

Ami Anne- I know exactly what you mean

Solar Leo Queen- I'll def check out that book! And the astrolibrary! Thank you! I love both Alyssa and Lady Duncheva.

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posted April 15, 2015 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Together we are a community, and together we breathe life into this beautiful thing called (real) Astrology.

Well said. my Friend

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posted April 15, 2015 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Hi everyone,

I've been studying now since January. I've been looking everywhere for a place to learn and have real conversations about astrology. I joined groups on FB, but noticed they were either filled with sun sign bashing and talks of which signs are best in bed or they were heavily influenced by the admins religious/ political views so I left. The last one I left the admin literally told this girl not to start her business on a new moon because it's bad to use transits for personal gain. I was like...really? That's ridiculous. Anyway (and I apologize for the rant) LG seems like a great place to ask questions, but I just wonder about the professionals out there. Where did you learn? How did you get where you are? Books? Online? Classes? I'm very curious.


Hey there!

I learned quite a bit by studying the lessons on the following site: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm Everything is broken down into plain English. It really helps!

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bananaz
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posted April 15, 2015 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astra- I just bookmarked his site. Thank you!

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posted April 15, 2015 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I researched it, though in the beginning I did have some tutoring (but the focus of the tutoring was on using astrology in magic rather than as analysis of one's self or other people, nevertheless it still used standard astrological lore). Finally, I practiced it, including with skeptical friends (and even they were somewhat impressed, and I'd been worried about one because her signs were so contradictory, though they typically found a way to "explain it away" but others asked me for more insights).

I got out of practice but have slowly been getting into it again (I had to sell all my astrology books back in 2011 to fund a trip as well, though I've managed to get a few back) and even have a workbook that I keep meaning to use as a refresher (and will explore asteroids more which I didn't bother to learn about when I first studied it). There are still a few aspects that confuse me, however, even to this day. And I struggle with the temptations to attempt FB stalking people I used to know to attempt to learn more about them astrologically (I just feel that it would somehow explode in my face if I did, especially as I'd probably have to contact a few to get what I needed, plus I don't have FB anyway and it would probably be harder than I think so I instead look for "samples" in the future than in the past though that requires more patience).

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posted April 15, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably can't give you advice you don't already know so I'll just give you this reminder - patience and time.

Keep at it and things will stick and you will learn.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 15, 2015 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find there are intuitive astrologers and intellectual astrologers. Different people like different ones.

My fave Astrologer is Howard sasportas. He got behind the eyes of the signs.

Reading him was like reading poetry, to me.

I had such a mind meld with him.

I wanted to write to him to tell him how much he meant to me and I found that he had passed away.

I cannot read the people who come to Astrology from the head.

It does not touch me and I cannot learn.

One guy who used to come on here was amazing.

I was in awe of how he seemed to know the signs, aspects etc as if they were his friends--intimately.

Sasportas is like this, too

He had one example of explaining the Mars signs in terms of how they would go to a buffet table and get a dessert.

It was brilliant

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posted April 15, 2015 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I find there are intuitive astrologers and intellectual astrologers. Different people like different ones.



Good point. I'm a little odd. I've learned astrology intuitively but I prefer reading intellectual astrologers.

I never really had a systematic way to my astrology. I just kinda wait for that "download" to happen, that random moment where I notice something or realize something.

So my practice is intuitive for myself but my astrologer preference is intellectual.

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posted April 15, 2015 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koho:
Good point. I'm a little odd. I've learned astrology intuitively but I prefer reading intellectual astrologers.

I never really had a systematic way to my astrology. I just kinda wait for that "download" to happen, that random moment where I notice something or realize something.

So my practice is intuitive for myself but my astrologer preference is intellectual.


I'm kind of free-for-all. I greatly value intellectual processes that have been run through the wringer. I can place more confidence in those kind of interpretations. But it's insightful at times to let loose and run stream of consciousness, if nothing else but for entertaining yourself. Objective analysis at a later point is where the real meat is usually hiding.

But I was reminded of this ditty I had fun with a long time ago. The challenge was to humanize MARS, to ascertain his quirks.

quote:

So it goes down a lil like this:

5R MERCURY is bored and his great pal URANUS is best at finding things to do. Upon seeing that MERCURY is also 8R, an idea strikes URANUS. "I know, how about boomchica-bowwow?" Looking around, he spies the giant MC sign. "And in a public, possibly easily exposed place!"

MERCURY idolizes big-bro 1R URANUS and finds this a fabulous idea. So they tag-team, and borrowing the silky smooth persuasion they learned from Scorpio School, they sweet talk MARS, who quickly has his interest piqued.

"Oh, that sounds sexy! I'm up for some of that!" 9R VENUS meanwhile is a lil squirmy, and wonders if that's such a good idea.

"I dunno MARS, I kinda like personal things," as VENUS too is a student of Scorpio School.

"Aww, c'mon, it'll be a learning experience!" he retorts, and she nods, as truly, that doesn't sound so bad. After all, why turn down worldly experiences?

SUN, the 7R from Sagittarius School, pitches in with a beaming smile, "Awesome, that sounds like fun! We can bond and have an adventure at the same time! Right teach'?!"

JUPITER nods in pride. He's never been one to turn down a party where he lives - in the 8H. "Absolutely, my star student! PARTY TIME!!" And promptly gets elbowed in the side by SATURN.

"What nonsense is this?" See, 12R SATURN has strict upbringing and cries foul on the idea. SATURN is particularly upset that MARS would deviate from the carefully cultured Capricorn School rules and restrictions, and must always keep an eye on this trouble child. So he takes to reminding MARS of what a tremendously terrible idea this would be. It helps SATURN has the keys to the gates of the 12H. "You do not want to do that."

Needless to say, it is a spartan teaching. Thusly reminded, MARS sulks and turns inward.

Noticing the sudden quiet, MOON looks up from her riveting chess game with PALLAS. "Hey, wait a minute - what just happened?" and glances curiously at SUN.

SUN just shrugs. "Still think it would've been fun."

Amused by the chaos they created, MERCURY thinks this epic event should be chronicalized. URANUS, who has since become bored of the first idea is in easy agreement. Something new and shiny, right?


Of course it was merely for fun (for what it's worth, in this story, MOON would be the niggling wife of SATURN, who could thaw out his rigor, provided her empathy was properly tapped). I find more insight by looking at thing like duads, sabians, declinations,and progressions, though. Examining every nook and cranny of a single planet is usually more rewarding and educational than simple narrative.

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posted April 15, 2015 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A ton of reading, running charts and talking to others astrologers....I taught a class that taught ppl how to read their own charts and honestly that taught me the very most because I got to see the ppl and their chart in action.
As your in the process of teaching them what the placements their placements mean and how they display themselves in the person and their life , you get to see them acting out their chart. Some were quick learners, others were not, some very impatient and bossy, some were already aware as if they had already been taught. All were playing out their charts and I got the privilege of watching them while being fully aware of their entire chart placements ....very interesting!

Have to say hands on is always the best!

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posted April 16, 2015 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
A ton of reading, running charts and talking to others astrologers....I taught a class that taught ppl how to read their own charts and honestly that taught me the very most because I got to see the ppl and their chart in action.
As your in the process of teaching them what the placements their placements mean and how they display themselves in the person and their life , you get to see them acting out their chart. Some were quick learners, others were not, some very impatient and bossy, some were already aware as if they had already been taught. All were playing out their charts and I got the privilege of watching them while being fully aware of their entire chart placements ....very interesting!

Have to say hands on is always the best!


I find chart reading extremely difficult unless the person is there, confirming what things mean, especially since different aspects could mean different things, depending on the person/ chart. I kind of figure it out if the person says, "I have _____ going on in my life" and then I'm like "ah ha so this is what _____means for you"

I wish I could just look at a chart without even meeting the person and understand more than a few basic things.

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posted April 16, 2015 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blindwriter- VERY cute story. I like the concept of humanizing the planets.

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I second the suggestion to look up Astrolada (Lada Duncheva) on YouTube.

If you have access to your local library, check out all of the astrology books. I have gone through SO MANY but my favorites for actual learning (and not just reading descriptions) are...

The Twelve Houses by Howard Sasportas (foreword by Liz Greene)

Astrology Decoded: A Step-by-Step Guide to Learning Astrology by Sue Merlyn Farebrother

I have a few more library picks being transferred in and once I get them, I will try to remember to report back.

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Oh also, look up Debra Silverman. She is now offering courses (first one free) and working on a book set to come out March 2016. I find her enthusiasm so much fun.

Lastly, here are some good links for learning:

1 - http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/new_to_astro/new.html

2 - http://theastrologydictionary.com/a/

3 - http://www.skyscript.co.uk/books.html

BTW, I've been interested in astrology since I was about 9-10 years old and studying it intently (while working my "day job") for about six years. I finally feel like I have a good handle on it. An expert? Not yet, but getting there eventually.

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posted April 16, 2015 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am self-taught. Experiential observation and conscious awareness does help.

First go general; Start with the Sun/Moon and see what you find all around you.

I noticed that my Gemini colleague may very well have a Taurus Moon/Asc when I saw a packet of chips on his desk and a cupboard full of candy/treats and all sorts of tasty delights.

And it turned out that he does have a Taurus Moon.

I saw that my Cancer father was not the typical child-rearing involved parent as suggested by many sites.

I suspected that he probably has afflictions to his Moon(the ruler of his Sun)- which prevents him from being the nurturing parent that Cancer is infamous for.

Lo and behold, my Dad has austere Saturn sitting on his natal Moon Cap(ruler of Sun) by close aspect(5 Degrees).

My ex now-turned good friend Gemini Sun is the usual talkative,flighty Gemini Sun.

But he also has an incredible, almost obsessive work ethic that reminiscent of a more earthy position. Mad respect for his "job" for the average Gemini.

He has workaholic Virgo on his Moon and Asc position.

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I second Alyssa Sharpe. She is what got me started, I was looking up my saturn return and there she was, I watched every video she had and came away with a new understanding of astrology. I credit her entirely for opening my eyes to this fascinating world. After that I started reading everything available online, especially cafeastrology. Eventually I stumbled here, to LL, and it's been invaluable for learning more deeply the asteroids, aspects and particularly synastry and asking random questions. The search function is brilliant. I dont think Ive ever had a question I didnt first search for here and found 3+ threads with insightful and thought provoking conversation. My best advice is to find people who fascinate you, whether it be celebrities, historical figures or people in your life, and start taking apart their birth charts bit by bit, and putting together a bigger picture as you do so. This part is more intuition, which I believe we are all capable of if we want to be. There isnt a historical figure whose birth time is know that I havent tried to tackle, at this point. Dictators, Queens, and yes, also celebrities. It's helps to read their biographies along with their charts. Youll be amazed how easily you begin to spot the indicators in their charts for known major life events. The most fascinating one for me recently was Amanda Knox's chart. Not only did it convince me she is innocent, but also WHY it almost had to happen that she would be framed in a huge scandal, in her life, exactly of that nature -- and also how it could have been prevented, her way out. Oprah in fascinating in how she has utilized the 'way out' of difficult aspects in her chart. Its easy to use people you dont personally know, but whose stories are well documented. It removes familiarity bias when youre still learning to do that, and really exemplifies how to turn a 2d representation into a 3d experiencing being. You can then move on to individuals who can give feedback, when youre feeling more confident. Also, books of course! Again, the search function here. There are so many great posts recommending amazing books. Ive got so many to get through!

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posted April 16, 2015 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I find chart reading extremely difficult unless the person is there, confirming what things mean, especially since different aspects could mean different things, depending on the person/ chart. I kind of figure it out if the person says, "I have _____ going on in my life" and then I'm like "ah ha so this is what _____means for you"

I wish I could just look at a chart without even meeting the person and understand more than a few basic things.


Eventually you'll get there it just takes time. It all comes together but that won't happen immediately.
Research, research, research....that's the very best advice. Just read, talk, ask questions and pay attention. Don't expect yourself to get it....I honestly think the best astrologers don't think they feel astrology. So let your subconscious absorb the info and then wait for it to start sending feelings that turn into words back to you.
Don't try to hard or think to much because that will prolong your learning because your stressing yourself out.
You wouldn't expect yourself to get physics in a matter of months or a year....your need years to fully grasp astrology there is just so much to learn.

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bananaz,

Overall, astrology is a challenge to learn because it is cosmic in proportion. To truly learn and master it as an art and practice we have to elevate ourselves to it, rather than simplifying and dumbing it down to our level.

This is my 20th year of study. I am an autodidact -- self-taught. I have taken not a single lesson or course of study. I have paid no author, no astrology teacher a single cent.

To learn and learn it well first requires the dedication to actually learn it in-depth instead of just taking cook-book courses full of keywords and reductionism.

Don't rely on popularizer authors to learn astrology. Authors like Linda Goodman are good for adding coloration and enriching your understanding of signs and human nature against the backdrop of astrology, but should not be confused with actual study of astrology.

Courses and books I can recommend:

- The Rosicrucian course.
- The Only Way to Learn Astrology series by Joan McEvers and Marion March.
- The Magi Society materials. Just don't take them as some final word gospel.
- Better yet, John Willner's books/materials relating to declinations. Much more solid, but tends to be for more advanced students. Learn your basics for a few years first.
- Anything by Robert Hand. I recommend starting with [url=http://books.google.com/books/about/Horoscope_Symbols.html?id=ZPhRV8aFQqcC]Horoscope Symbols[/b]. I don't agree with all Hand's assertions, especially his more recent notions of whole signs, but he has probably added more insight and useful, practical material to the field of astrology than any other author I can name. His book [url=http://books.google.com/books/about/Planets_in_Transit.html?id=84elPwAACAAJ]Planets in Transit[/b] is a classic that may not be surpassed for generations. It can be used for more than just interpreting transits. It is an overall learning tool.

Other recommendations:

- Be sure that whatever source you learn from has a spiritual basis or clear humanistic orientation. Steer clear of stuff that smells superstitious or unable to empower people. This means you might gain a bit from authors like Evangeline Adams, but only to a limited degree. Honesty and integrity are important.
- The Edgar Cayce material -- only once you've advanced enough to cut through the arcane language and poor understanding of his querents and those facilitating his trance readings. The books the A.R.E. has published are little gems of insights, but not courses of study.

I understand that not everyone is able to be self-taught in this way.

Goals:

- Aim for a well-rounded knowledge of signs, planets even throughout. Be honest with yourself about gaps in your understanding rather than asserting and arguing merely for your preferred author/school of astrology and its take on things.
- Ease with the whole sky reality of astrology. The sky is not flat and a flat wheel chart cannot represent the sky. Understand there will be limits to your ability if you do not learn declinations, the north/south positions of the zodiac and movements of the planets. We already have enough flat sky astrologers. It is good to actually go outside and look at the sky and be observe how the sky and planets actually move.

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posted April 16, 2015 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you have to find the teacher that resonates with you.

Then, you have to do and do and do charts.

Go to the Personal Readings Forum and jump in.

I did this for a year for hours every day.

I made wonderful friends and had a wonderful time.

Some I talk to still

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posted April 16, 2015 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for erickaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Hi everyone,

I've been studying now since January. I've been looking everywhere for a place to learn and have real conversations about astrology. I joined groups on FB, but noticed they were either filled with sun sign bashing and talks of which signs are best in bed or they were heavily influenced by the admins religious/ political views so I left. The last one I left the admin literally told this girl not to start her business on a new moon because it's bad to use transits for personal gain. I was like...really? That's ridiculous. Anyway (and I apologize for the rant) LG seems like a great place to ask questions, but I just wonder about the professionals out there. Where did you learn? How did you get where you are? Books? Online? Classes? I'm very curious.



I started with astrology through books I was given by a friend.
Learning from books is the best way. I like Robert Hand. I also read Donna Cunningham's blog too. I am an amateur though.
You can tell the ones who only study astrology through mainstream websites.

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