posted April 17, 2015 10:44 AM            

There are some people I know married but have no kids.

Two Taurus rising, one is a girl and the another is man,they both have Virgo cusp in 5th house.

One Aries rising has 5th house cusp is Leo.

One Gemini rising has 5th house cusp in Virgo.

It seems Taurus rising more likely have no kids.

posted April 17, 2015 12:55 PM            

I don't interpret Virgo as "barren." I know too many people with that sign on their Asc or as their Moon sign, etc, who have children. That's what we call an "old wive's tale" interpretation (Virgo = barren).

5th house contents sometimes seem to indicate things like number of children, but because the 5th house does not relate only to children, but to 'Love Given', risk taking (sport or enterprise), creative output, etc. So there is no way to get such specific information only from the sign that is over the cusp of the 5th house.

Besides, I have to point out what I always do, that most people's charts are not accurate enough for such house/cusp assessments and assumptions anyway.

posted April 18, 2015 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't interpret Virgo as "barren." I know too many people with that sign on their Asc or as their Moon sign, etc, who have children. That's what we call an "old wive's tale" interpretation (Virgo = barren).

5th house contents sometimes seem to indicate things like number of children, but because the 5th house does not relate only to children, but to 'Love Given', risk taking (sport or enterprise), creative output, etc. So there is no way to get such specific information only from the sign that is over the cusp of the 5th house.

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Thanks for your insights, Kannon McAfee. I don't say Virgo ASC/Moon tends to have no kids, but I mean 5th house ruler in Virgo, Gemini and Leo has more possibility with no kids.

Yes, 5th house doesn't only relate to kids, but also entertainment, joy, gambling, something involved creativity etc..

posted April 18, 2015 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
Have to agree^. Im as fifth house dominant as they come with leo asc trining sun-merc-moon-jupiter-uranus-neptune-SN in 5H sag, venus teetering at 29'55 in 4H. I couldnt care less about children, but too many people look at my chart and it's the first thing they see/mention -- it's what theyve been taught. The topic of children bores me to tears and is the surest way to get me to blank out, unfortunately. Im 31. this affinity to children has simply never manifested, and ... won't.

Sure, if your idea of creating involves having a child (which I think something else in th chart will dictate -- though Im not certain what), the fifth can indicate how you might approach that as it deals with your creations (or procreations, as it were). But the children-centric focus is definitely a bit of 'cart before the horse'. I highly doubt it can indicate anything so specific regarding children in particular.

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Thanks for sharing your idea too, AngaCrowley.

I am just curious about if 5th house ruler and its placement affects the number of kids .

The above examples I mentiones haven't had kids yet.

Taurus rising guy is over 51 years old, he loves kids very much but until now he has got none, he said his doctor said his sperms are not much active.

Taurus rising girl is 38 years old now, she love kids, but her husband, Gemini rising guy who is 40 years old doesn't want.

Aries rising guy is 46 years old, married once and divorced, he loves kids too but his partner doesn't want to have one.

So I think there might be placements in 5th house indicate if one person will have a kid or not and the number of kids.

For myself, even I am not a kid-lover, I got empty Capricorn 5th house. The 5th house ruler is in Virgo at 1st house.

posted April 18, 2015 09:56 AM            

Are you a big kid yourself? Maybe this is the source behind your aversion to children. Maybe you're too busy being one! Not to be offensive, of course. Being childlike can be a beautiful, inspiring thing. But, I'm just thinking that your life might be like one big, extended childhood. So, you don't have time to think about any other children. Am I getting warm?

I definitely think the 5th House has to do with children but, at the same time, any influence can go any which way. So, maybe a lot of childlike activities dominate your life and you just want to be free to do those things, without being tied down by kids yourself. I'm feeling like you're probably a big-time fun lover. Every moment is like a good time and so being a parent and having to "grow up" and be responsible for someone else makes you say, "Ughhhh."

Sagittarius in the 5th can actually have very hands-off attitude to children, in some cases. They might not want to be tied down by them and see them as possibly limiting them. They could possibly see them as too much of a responsibility. (On the flip side, they could also see them as beautiful ways to expand their horizons and learn more about the world) The fact that you've got such a powerful stellium in the 5th, including freedom-loving, detached Uranus, could reinforce that aversion.

Again, just stabs in the dark here. Does that sound accurate? To the OP, I don't ever think astrology could ever predict the number of kids you're going to have that's just too specific. But, it can also be a strong predictor of the KIND of kids you have, i.e. their personality/temperament. Often times, people's children will have traits of their planets in the 5th and/or sign on the 5th House cusp.

My father has Scorpio on the 5th House cusp with Neptune in the 5th. And my chart is hugely influenced by both Scorpio and Neptune. This is usually the way I interpret the 5th, particularly for people who are already parents.

posted April 18, 2015 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by mollywu:
I have read somehere which says, 5th house cusp is related to kids number. Gemini, Leo or Virgo's 5th house house cusp is barren sign, which water sign in this position can have more kids.

There are some people I know married but have no kids.

Two Taurus rising, one is a girl and the another is man,they both have Virgo cusp in 5th house.

One Aries rising has 5th house cusp is Leo.

One Gemini rising has 5th house cusp in Virgo.

It seems Taurus rising more likely have no kids.

How much true is it? Please share your 5th house cusp, placement and number of your kids if you have.

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Idk how much is true, but I'll share mine since

it applies.

Fifth House Leo sun, Taurus rising, and blissfully...

no kids.

However, the first ten years of my adult life were

spent (with a few exceptions) working with kids, which

may have something to do with it. lol

Natural affinity for them, and they know it.

posted April 18, 2015 03:21 PM            

I'm a gem rising, but 5th house cusp in libra. 5th house ruler is venus in Taurus. I also have Saturn in my 5th which some astrologers see as a sign of barrenness. I have Jupiter and Pluto (6 degrees conjunct) there as well, so three planets altogether. I found these placements to describe my children...

I have three kids! The 1st has Jupiter conjunct his AC, and a sag moon conjunct Pluto. The second has a sag sun conjunct Pluto with mercury, mars and Jupiter conjunct in sag. In typical Saturn fashion, my last is of course - pretty Saturn dominant. He has Jupiter conjunct his sun in aquarius, and moon, mars, mercury, and Pluto in Capricorn, all trine Saturn.

Heres a link to an article I found interesting on the subject:

https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/things-you-may-not-know-about-the-5th-house-and-children/

posted April 18, 2015 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Anga Crowley,

Are you a big kid yourself? Maybe this is the source behind your aversion to children. Maybe you're too busy being one! Not to be offensive, of course. Being childlike can be a beautiful, inspiring thing. But, I'm just thinking that your life might be like one big, extended childhood. So, you don't have time to think about any other children. Am I getting warm?

I definitely think the 5th House has to do with children but, at the same time, any influence can go any which way. So, maybe a lot of childlike activities dominate your life and you just want to be free to do those things, without being tied down by kids yourself. I'm feeling like you're probably a big-time fun lover. Every moment is like a good time and so being a parent and having to "grow up" and be responsible for someone else makes you say, "Ughhhh."

Sagittarius in the 5th can actually have very hands-off attitude to children, in some cases. They might not want to be tied down by them and see them as possibly limiting them. They could possibly see them as too much of a responsibility. (On the flip side, they could also see them as beautiful ways to expand their horizons and learn more about the world) The fact that you've got such a powerful stellium in the 5th, including freedom-loving, detached Uranus, could reinforce that aversion.

Again, just stabs in the dark here. Does that sound accurate? To the OP, I don't ever think astrology could ever predict the number of kids you're going to have that's just too specific. But, it can also be a strong predictor of the KIND of kids you have, i.e. their personality/temperament. Often times, people's children will have traits of their planets in the 5th and/or sign on the 5th House cusp.

My father has Scorpio on the 5th House cusp with Neptune in the 5th. And my chart is hugely influenced by both Scorpio and Neptune. This is usually the way I interpret the 5th, particularly for people who are already parents.

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posted April 18, 2015 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Capricorn 5th house, Saturn in da house. The number will always be 0.

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posted April 18, 2015 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Hi Molly!

I'm a gem rising, but 5th house cusp in libra. 5th house ruler is venus in Taurus. I also have Saturn in my 5th which some astrologers see as a sign of barrenness. I have Jupiter and Pluto (6 degrees conjunct) there as well, so three planets altogether. I found these placements to describe my children...

I have three kids! The 1st has Jupiter conjunct his AC, and a sag moon conjunct Pluto. The second has a sag sun conjunct Pluto with mercury, mars and Jupiter conjunct in sag. In typical Saturn fashion, my last is of course - pretty Saturn dominant. He has Jupiter conjunct his sun in aquarius, and moon, mars, mercury, and Pluto in Capricorn, all trine Saturn.

Heres a link to an article I found interesting on the subject:

https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/things-you-may-not-know-about-the-5th-house-and-children/

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posted April 19, 2015 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by mollywu:
If so, I would love that because I don't want to have kids. But my Saturn is in the first house, Capricorn is in my 5th house.

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If you really don't want children you won't have them no matter what's in your chart.

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Originally posted by Sagical:
Some people are not children people. There are groups out there that celebrate and embrace being childless. Nothing wrong with that. I know many who don't have children.

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posted April 19, 2015 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Sagical:
Some people are not children people. There are groups out there that celebrate and embrace being childless. Nothing wrong with that. I know many who don't have children.

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I understand that. This was the essential point I was trying to make in my post. Not that Anga really is a children person, deep down. But, just trying to make sense of why Anga has such a strong influence that traditionally links to a love of kids but doesn't display this trait. I wasn't trying to convince Anga otherwise. I don't like when people try to fit others into stereotypical descriptions.

posted April 19, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I have 4 planets + the NN in the 5th house and 2 planets in the 4th. I think it's important to examine the signs, the nature of the planets, their aspects and house rulers before expecting someone like me and Anga to have baby rabies.

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LOL

I cant even handle this. I call it baby rabies, too XD

posted April 19, 2015 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I understand that. This was the essential point I was trying to make in my post. Not that Anga really is a children person, deep down. But, just trying to make sense of why Anga has such a strong influence that traditionally links to a love of kids but doesn't display this trait. I wasn't trying to convince Anga otherwise. I don't like when people try to fit others into stereotypical descriptions.

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posted April 19, 2015 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
LOL

I cant even handle this. I call it baby rabies, too XD

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Soltze, how is your Moon aspected?

posted April 19, 2015 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:

I didnt think you were trying to convince me othrwise! But no, I cant say that Im a big kid, really. Im a cap sun, and I fit that pretty well , too. I dont know WHY it doesnt manifest as it's supposed to; all I can say, is that it doesnt. Im all creativity, though. Write, sculpt, paint, Im not happy unless Im creating something, even if it's moving somewhere new and creating a new 'life' (which I do, a lot. I left my home country of USA six years ago and 'accidentally' havent been back ). Also, new relationships. I love being a part of that process. But kids ... hmmm. I wont bend when it comes to conventional ideas about what it means to be a ~grown up, and that process (indoctrination) certainly starts at childhood, which is a damn shame -- but I cant call myself childlike, because frankly, Ive NEVER been childlike, not even as a child. So, no, that doesnt ring true for me. Not because I find it offensive, but because it's not apt.

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Ah, well, that explains it! I actually assumed for a second you were a Sagittarius Sun, so my mistake. Having the Sun in Capricorn allows what you're saying to really make sense.

Believe it or not, though, being creative IS childlike. That's why kids have so much creative energy and express it so freely. Now, your Capricorn Sun isn't exactly going to see it this way. But, don't confuse "childlike" with "childish." The latter means immaturity, in my eyes, while childlike just sort of embraces that highly creative state that comes very easily to kids. It doesn't even mean you have to act like a kid. It's just that you know how to access those states that come so easily to them.

And all of your creative projects are probably like your children. So, this satisfies you enough to where you don't see the need to have them. Creativity might feel a little bit more like work to you, with Sun in Cap, or something that's very purposeful. That's why you have a very adult outlook on it all. Are you supporting yourself at all off your art?

And I think this conversation is continued proof that all sorts of influences can manifest in all sorts of ways and that you can't demand that people conform to your preconceived notions of a placement.

Yet, at the same time, you can still always hear traces of that influence in that person. Saying you were always creative is the kicker for me. So, I wouldn't say that you're not affected by your 5th House stellium. You definitely are. You're just living out another manifestation of the 5th House, instead of "I love kids" one.

posted April 19, 2015 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Capricorn 5th house, Saturn in da house. The number will always be 0.

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posted April 19, 2015 09:35 PM            

We're going to have twins in a few months.