posted May 31, 2015 04:20 PM            

... "The Shadow" contains those parts of ourselves

we've chosen to "give away." We've chosen to give away

these parts, because these parts didn't fit into our

ego concept of "who we are" and/or "who we should be."

-zodiac.com

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The author notes this, as well:

'When an inner situation is not made conscious, it

happens outside as fate.'

- Carl Jung

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For me, it's fairly easy to say I don't embody the characteristics

of the sign on my DSC-- I have no planets in that sign (and I do

think I unconsciously seek them out).

But that isn't true for everyone.

Do you feel this is true of your 7th House/Descendant-- that the

characteristics of its sign are part of your Shadow side?

Do you seek them out in the Other?

-thanks!

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posted May 31, 2015 05:41 PM            

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posted May 31, 2015 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Great Thread, E! Did you know there is a Jung asteroids. I have it conj my Sun. What about you

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Thanks

And I did not.. it trines my NNode @ 1°

Much nicer than the Pluto squares.

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posted May 31, 2015 07:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Shadow? Not mine. I have Sun conjunct DSC ruler.

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I hear you.. and that's why I wondered if it could

be true for everyone-- esp those with Sun or moon

in the 7th House.

So you naturally identify with people who have the

character traits associated with your DSC.

BUT... everyone has a Shadow side--

Jung also said

'Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied

in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser

it is.... if it is repressed and isolated from consciousness,

it never gets corrected.'
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So the question is, if all can be accounted for in the chart,

'where is yours (shadow, projections)?' and how would that be

determined?

I'm speaking generally, of course.

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posted May 31, 2015 10:29 PM            

That said, I've formed close attachments to more than on Aquarius (my 7H). One was very confrontational (more as teen mischief than anger, though he was a true idealist) with law enforcement while I practiced the art of invisibility (but then he had parental support whereas I was technically a runaway, though I had a place to stay by then). Another was an alcoholic and prone to depression which is something I never want to be (reminds me of my mother). Another is a bit mousy and takes a lot that she shouldn't which I'd never want to do (and I've stood up for her more than once, though sometimes she stopped me from doing so, perhaps I'm HER shadow side, not that my sun is her 7H the way hers is mine).

And interesting enough, the last Aquarius I mentioned (who is also the deepest shade of black skin in case that matters to my subconscious) shows up in multiple dreams which isn't unusual given that we're such close friends. Yet one of the strangest was when I was tired of recurring rage fits against a person (the one and only time it's been a problem) so I decided I must simply work through it by experiencing it utterly rather than just waiting for it to burn itself out, and I did. While doing that I had a dream in which my Aquarius friend was actually encouraging me to extremely violent actions (which she'd never do in real life), so upon awakening I realized that was my shadow side speaking in the form of my best friend.

posted May 31, 2015 11:43 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mamawolf:
I believe I embody Scorpio (8H stellium). Ive dated guys with both Scorpio and Taurus placements and I truly like both.

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I can see why, with that stellium.

The only thing in my 8th is lilith. :/

(You're Taurus rising, correct?)

quote:

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Originally posted by mamawolf:
For the first time, Im seeing a guy that's just as much a mystery as me..idk I like it haha

there can only be one >_>

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I know

Is he also fixed energy?

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posted June 02, 2015 11:13 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
It doesn't seem so, but maybe it's because I've been doing conscious shadow work since I was 17. And the Mars-Uranus conjunction in stellium sextile to a Pluto in a stellium on the Scorpio cusp may have made a shadow side somewhat unnecessary.

That said, I've formed close attachments to more than on Aquarius (my 7H). One was very confrontational (more as teen mischief than anger, though he was a true idealist) with law enforcement while I practiced the art of invisibility (but then he had parental support whereas I was technically a runaway, though I had a place to stay by then). Another was an alcoholic and prone to depression which is something I never want to be (reminds me of my mother). Another is a bit mousy and takes a lot that she shouldn't which I'd never want to do (and I've stood up for her more than once, though sometimes she stopped me from doing so, perhaps I'm HER shadow side, not that my sun is her 7H the way hers is mine).

And interesting enough, the last Aquarius I mentioned (who is also the deepest shade of black skin in case that matters to my subconscious) shows up in multiple dreams which isn't unusual given that we're such close friends. Yet one of the strangest was when I was tired of recurring rage fits against a person (the one and only time it's been a problem) so I decided I must simply work through it by experiencing it utterly rather than just waiting for it to burn itself out, and I did. While doing that I had a dream in which my Aquarius friend was actually encouraging me to extremely violent actions (which she'd never do in real life), so upon awakening I realized that was my shadow side speaking in the form of my best friend.

Though my all-time favorite (and hers as I told her about it) was she and I riding the back of a dragon to the moon which we knew would transform us while an even bigger dragon chased us from behind, gaining, and intent on killing us all (which is transformation), and we were both okay with it.

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That's a fabulous dream

But (wow) how did you end up doing shadow work at 17?

I imagine circumstances may have brought you there (?), but at that age,

I was aching to get better acquainted with that side of myself.

(I think) I thought it was the authentic version of Me, as opposed

to a facet-- who knows. :/

posted June 02, 2015 11:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
[b]Regarding our Shadow and the 7th House

... "The Shadow" contains those parts of ourselves

we've chosen to "give away." We've chosen to give away

these parts, because these parts didn't fit into our

ego concept of "who we are" and/or "who we should be."

-zodiac.com

-

The author notes this, as well:

'When an inner situation is not made conscious, it

happens outside as fate.'

- Carl Jung

------

For me, it's fairly easy to say I don't embody the characteristics

of the sign on my DSC-- I have no planets in that sign (and I do

think I unconsciously seek them out).

But that isn't true for everyone.

Do you feel this is true of your 7th House/Descendant-- that the

characteristics of its sign are part of your Shadow side?

Do you seek them out in the Other?

-thanks!

[/B]

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Consider perhaps sign pairs, not twelve
signs but six pairs.Something I was taught.
I have Neptune 15 degrees into h1 but in h2 sign, so in progression Neptune spent years close. Sun Virgo means Earth in Pisces, many people thought I was the strangest Pisces not knowing my sign, and those who knew said not like Virgo at all/
After all the earth is only center to the
moon.
The meridian and horizon line are each an
axis, right?

posted June 03, 2015 02:32 AM            

Right.

Go on... all considered.

posted June 03, 2015 03:11 AM            

quote:

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Do you feel this is true of your 7th House/Descendant-- that the

characteristics of its sign are part of your Shadow side?

Do you seek them out in the Other?

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posted June 03, 2015 08:55 AM            

I have no planet there and my 7th cusp is Neptune. I'm.not sure if neptune is my shadow? And actually I just don't know exactly what/where is it.

posted June 03, 2015 01:47 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
But (wow) how did you end up doing shadow work at 17?

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I was living with occultists who were teaching me (and also introduced me to the books of Linda Goodman, btw) and doing shadow work is important because of the power of the subconscious in magic (among other things). IOW, I had to be lucid and doing shadow work was one of the methods to help me become so.

They also wanted to help me with my vivid and frequent nightmares as well which they thought my doing shadow work would help with. And one of them was part of a Dianic group that I interacted with and they believed all women were taught to repress their own inner power (and thus buried into their shadow) and that group felt it was simply required for any female to wield true power (of any sort be it personal, magical, political, etc) was to embrace (not to be confused with "surrender to") all that she learned to repress in herself.

posted June 03, 2015 02:12 PM            

By definition , the DSC and 7th House is where you seek for the others person

I have no planet there and my 7th cusp is Neptune. I'm.not sure if neptune is my shadow? And actually I just don't know exactly what/where is it.

But I do get involved with many Neptunian trait in my current and previous relationships.

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Like you, my understanding of the definition of the 7th is that

it is the House of the Other, whether in partnerships or marriage...

but that it is also the House of open enemies.

Why?

Quoting Rebecca Eigen for at least one good reason:

Because it can just as easily turn around and become a nightmare.

Just as quickly as a relationship begins, it can end. The original

love can turn to hate. When relationships end that violently, you know

that neither partner was able to get past his or her own unconscious

projections. Unless they are both willing to do some inner work, they

will just go on to find other partners and it will repeat over and over

and over again and a pattern of victim consciousness continues.

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Still learning here, too.. but it makes sense to me.

posted June 03, 2015 02:14 PM            

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posted June 03, 2015 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow I never understood the open enemies part but that makes sense, E!

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Neither did I.

Still don't, really -- but it's getting a bit clearer, the more I read.

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** Appreciate everyone's replies, so far.

posted June 03, 2015 11:55 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think it's only where you feel like a victim - and there are times when the person actually has been a victim to/of something or someone. Projections of people's intentions in general, are something that I've noticed.

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I think the quote is saying that not facing your

Shadow allows you to continue to believe you are being

'done unto' by the Other-- rather than seeing that the

common denominator in the issue that keeps popping up

is You.

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quote:

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Originally posted by teasel:
I remember the day I realized that my sister was throwing out any insult that might stick, and one she frequently used was one that would hurt *her* and didn't apply to me. [/B]

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Ha! I know it isn't really funny, but it kind of is,

when people show their hand by assuming that everyone

has the same fears that they do.

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I don't know *exactly* how this all applies to the 7th--

or Astrology in general-- so much as I'm very curious

about Jung's take on the matter, as it applies, here.

Thanks for your reply

posted June 06, 2015 01:16 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I was living with occultists who were teaching me (and also introduced me to the books of Linda Goodman, btw) and doing shadow work is important because of the power of the subconscious in magic (among other things). IOW, I had to be lucid and doing shadow work was one of the methods to help me become so.

They also wanted to help me with my vivid and frequent nightmares as well which they thought my doing shadow work would help with.
And one of them was part of a Dianic group that I interacted with and they believed all women were taught to repress their own inner power (and thus buried into their shadow) and that group felt it was simply required for any female to wield true power (of any sort be it personal, magical, political, etc) was to embrace (not to be confused with "surrender to") all that she learned to repress in herself.

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Thanks

posted June 07, 2015 08:39 AM            

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posted June 07, 2015 10:10 AM            

For example, I have moon square uranus natally despite being extremely Plutonian and Saturian so I naturally wanted to dismiss that Uranian part of me because it did not fit into the idealistic part of who I wanted to be (as you stated). So I inevitably attract unavailable, emotionally distant men ( which I do).