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rabidtalker
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posted June 24, 2015 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rabidtalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I consider myself pretty intuitive, but I have trouble recognizing people who crave power (in a negative way). Is anyone aware of any tell tale signs of how this can translate from chart to behavior or vice versa?

I'm sure some will say look for scorpionic or capricorn placements, but I was hoping for something more specific such as squares, oppositions, etc. Sometimes these folks turn out pretty magnificent and not power hungry.

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posted June 24, 2015 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I've read is Pluto.
Perhaps hard aspect to a personal planet.

As far as my limited experience, it's been true.
A guy at work is Aries moon opposite Pluto, sun conjunct and he's well known for "throwing people under the bus" in order to look favorable to higher ups.

Another is moon conjunct Pluto, sun, Venus, mercury square Pluto and she's the same way.

I have it conjunct asc and my only power struggle is that I don't like being controlled or told what to do. Otherwise I don't care much to have any power over others.

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posted June 24, 2015 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unbearable person I know (power hungry) really sweet but only is sweet out of convenience, once they've gotten what they were looking for they are long gone.

Mars Conjunct Pluto
Jupiter Conjunct Venus both conjunct MC

Wouldn't surprise me if they were to step over their BFF on their way to the top they are very good a hiding it as well power hungry not even more so cause of the money but because they really have a HUGE ego...Thankfully I oversee this persons work...maybe there's some type of lesson (modesty) I can teach this person. And yes I mean in a mean way, I just cant stand this person..all my 3 planets in the 12th house altruism goes out the window with this person, they only make me see red, their motives are so transparent to me they disgust me...XD


This person is a Scorpio.

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CosmiqPhuz
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posted June 24, 2015 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmiqPhuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my experience, people with mars conjunct/square pluto. That is if they're less evolved.

I also knew some people with a lot of capricorn placements who were that way. Again, if they were less evolved.

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Geminiyoungster
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posted June 24, 2015 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct pluto or something in libra.
Moon/pluto, usually doesn't care about the power trips with higher ups. I've noticed that i'm always in competition.

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posted June 24, 2015 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
From my experience, people with mars conjunct/square pluto. That is if they're less evolved.

I also knew some people with a lot of capricorn placements who were that way. Again, if they were less evolved.



Yess, capricorns can be so damn ruthless when they want something.

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Geminiyoungster
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posted June 24, 2015 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DopGang:
What I've read is Pluto.
Perhaps hard aspect to a personal planet.

As far as my limited experience, it's been true.
A guy at work is Aries moon opposite Pluto, sun conjunct and he's well known for "throwing people under the bus" in order to look favorable to higher ups.

Another is moon conjunct Pluto, sun, Venus, mercury square Pluto and she's the same way.

I have it conjunct asc and my only power struggle is that I don't like being controlled or told what to do. Otherwise I don't care much to have any power over others.


I can see this because aries moons can have this me first attitude and nothing in between! I knew this one guy who didn't care about anything until it affected him, then that's when the temper would come out.

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CosmiqPhuz
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posted June 24, 2015 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmiqPhuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:

Yess, capricorns can be so damn ruthless when they want something.

Yep. The bad ones I knew didn't even feel bad about stabbing backs or betraying friends. As long as they get to where they want, they're fine with it.

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posted June 24, 2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for awakemer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sun square pluto, just run for the hills.

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rabidtalker
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posted June 24, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rabidtalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, so mainly it is square/opposition pluto.

I think I remember Arroyo writing something (in his relationships and life cycles book) about venus square pluto and how there was a specific use of personal magnetism in a ruthless way to gain objectives.

I think he wrote about mars-pluto squares too and with both of these planets and aspects there is a need to face and transform how you use your power. This could be the "evolved" talk mentioned earlier.

Interesting stuff. I wonder if anyone has any other aspects and stories they've seen and would like to share.

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posted June 24, 2015 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon opposition Pluto.
Sun opposition Pluto.

Sun square Pluto.
Moon square Pluto.
Mars square Pluto.

Strong Saturn Placements.
Strong 10th/6th house.

Aries Placements.
Leo Placements.

This is based off personal experience and Astrological research.

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Yanmorg
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posted June 24, 2015 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon opposition Pluto.
Sun opposition Pluto.

Sun square Pluto.
Moon square Pluto.
Mars square Pluto.

Strong Saturn Placements.
Strong 10th/6th house.

Aries Placements.
Leo Placements.

This is based off personal experience and Astrological research.

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Mars/Pluto Emperor
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posted October 25, 2015 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mars/Pluto Emperor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
From my experience, people with mars conjunct/square pluto. That is if they're less evolved.

I also knew some people with a lot of capricorn placements who were that way. Again, if they were less evolved.


True! Mars/Pluto unevolved Tend to have this ruthless yet Power-hungry and Driven attitude!

I know this because I have an Exact Square,and Mars in Pisces only makes me "Appear" sweet and charming,until I get you from behind,this is also probably my Capricorn Sun and Gemini MC talking lol

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charlie
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posted October 25, 2015 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not proud to say, but I can be ruthless. AT WORK. Not in private. I have a hard time accepting anything but "winning" and I tend to want to remove "objects" that don't follow suit.

I have a Cap Moon and a bunch of Pluto squares.

In progressed I have Mars, Pluto conj Asc.

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posted October 25, 2015 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mars/Pluto Emperor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Not proud to say, but I can be ruthless. AT WORK. Not in private. I have a hard time accepting anything but "winning" and I tend to want to remove "objects" that don't follow suit.

I have a Cap Moon and a bunch of Pluto squares.

In progressed I have Mars, Pluto conj Asc.


You have a very similar mindset at me! Personally I don't want to hurt my loved ones,but I sure as hell am ruthless when it comes to work. I get preety agressive when it comes to competition,and I have a 0 Tolerance for losing,I just feel powerless if I do.

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posted October 25, 2015 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An abundance of any of the cardinal signs

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 25, 2015 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rabidtalker:
I consider myself pretty intuitive, but I have trouble recognizing people who crave power (in a negative way). Is anyone aware of any tell tale signs of how this can translate from chart to behavior or vice versa?

I'm sure some will say look for scorpionic or capricorn placements, but I was hoping for something more specific such as squares, oppositions, etc. Sometimes these folks turn out pretty magnificent and not power hungry.


You cannot tell this for certain by looking at a birth chart, which is only a starting place for a person's development in this life. Yes, Pluto/Saturn, Scorpio/Capricorn do have such potentials, but so does Sun/Leo. Often important aspects by these planets are found in declination, but not in the circle/flat wheel chart.

Instead of relying on birth charts, this is something that can be observed by asking, "Does this person separate power from Love?"

If you observe that a person puts a high value on winning, talks about their 'enemies' or is otherwise very adversarial, aims at positions they think require respect rather than earning it from others ... then you've got a person who craves power (over others) to some degree.

Only when we completely fuse power with Love and understand true power comes from and through Love, do we overcome the beastial, unconscious survival instinct for any type of dominance.

Anyone can change their orientation at any time, but those who have achieved high office, high levels of influence over others, dominance, and wealth will not let go of this readily. They will fight for it, even kill for it. That is the dirty game of industry and banking, the Plutonian forces behind war.

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Desiring Shadows
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posted October 25, 2015 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although I do agree it's all relative

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Alma Sun
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posted October 25, 2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in Scorpio conjunct Pluto exact.

Moon in Taurus opp Pluto within 1 degree

I know someone with these aspects, and they are ruthless!

I've seen this person stab close friends in the back and taken credit for others work just to impress the higher ups.

That's the only thing that really stands out from her chart.

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