posted July 02, 2015 07:10 PM            

Interesting question. I also have a pretty Saturnine birth chart, and although I grew up in a very conservative family and began voting at age 18 for conservatives (GOP in USA), I have gradually become educated in the totally opposite direction.

Kannon,, Have you always lived in the northwestern part of the nation?
If not. Then on what planetary line did you travel when you moved?
I wonder how much real geography plays a part, not the politics of a region but the energy of a place.
If I consider how many of my paternal ancestors lived in Missouri and Arkansas and Kentucky, versus offshoots who continued West there is a difference in the descendants ideology by location versus those who stay central.
Such a thing a ley lines come to mind in depicting energies of the earth itself or just the difficulty of life in a particular
region, hard ground to farm of say the Ozarks
or the extreme cold of the Dakotas seem to come to mind.
Your thought please:

posted July 02, 2015 07:43 PM            

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"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"

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Someone pointed this out to me when I said I had neither a heart nor a brain because according to a libertarian quiz (which has changed drastically since I last took it but is divided between left/right and libertarian/authoritarian) I was on the far libertarian right in my youth but gradually shifted left every other year or so until I was on the moderate left (but still libertarian, though not as much as before) end of the scale. I was told don't worry about it, Churchill never said it.

posted July 02, 2015 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Churchill didn't say that about being a liberal or conservative. Here:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed

Someone pointed this out to me when I said I had neither a heart nor a brain because according to a libertarian quiz (which has changed drastically since I last took it but is divided between left/right and libertarian/authoritarian) I was on the far libertarian right in my youth but gradually shifted left every other year or so until I was on the moderate left (but still libertarian, though not as much as before) end of the scale. I was told don't worry about it, Churchill never said it.

Though in some ways (not included in that quiz I just mentioned) I've become a tad more conservative as well. The standard political labels just don't fit me well at all.

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I have read your argument before, However it will not stop millions from attributing it to him.
Labels do not fit, because we were not meant to where labels or be put in neat little groups, simply don't exist.
I have never wanted to spend time arguing about politics so I learned not to be offended by what someone thought of some event or me,lol. Life's too short.

posted July 02, 2015 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see this in the chart. It is a matter of personal values. I am an earth void and very conservative!

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