posted June 30, 2015 09:35 AM            

What in your view would indicate political preference (or political neutrality/disinterest for that matter) in a natal chart? I'm not necessarily talking about career politicians-though if you have an example of a politician feel free to use it to ilistrate your theory.

In general though, what would indicate whether someone has libertarian or Conservative Social views-and what would point to a more Free Market view on Economics, as aposed to a preference for intervention?

Personally I have a lot of Earth in my chart and a fairly strong Saturn, which you'd think would make me a conservative-though I am in fact pretty far to the left socially at least, though more of a Centrist Gladstonian economically and in terms of Foreign policy.

So, what do you think?

posted June 30, 2015 11:51 AM            

Thanks for the great responses!

I think it's interesting what Aquacheeka said about Mercury in a fixed sign-I've just been looking up the charts of political figures from the left and right-and one thing they nearly all seemed to have in common is Mercury in a fixed sign. So, maybe whatever your ideological preference, if your Mercury is in a fixed sign then the older you get, the more likely it is you'll stedfastly stick to your principles all the more.

Florence-you're correct re Marx-I've also looked up the birth info of the following (afraid I'm not able to post the charts though):

Theodor Adorno (of Frankfurt School notoriety), Tony Benn (famous UK politician who refused to join the House Of Lords despite having a hereditary peerage) and Michael Foot (leader of the Labour party during Margaret Thatcher's first term in office)-all of them have very prominent Torus placements. Also, Adorno and Benn both had a fairly tight Sun/Venus/Pallas conjunction, which is interesting to me as I have Venus conj Pallas (though the orb is about 3 Deg in my case).

posted June 30, 2015 12:22 PM            

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posted June 30, 2015 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see this in the chart. It is a matter of personal values. I am an earth void and very conservative!

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posted June 30, 2015 12:44 PM            

Donald Trump has Gemini Sun conjunct Uranus in the 10H, Saturn in the 11H and Sag Moon and he's conservative.
I have Aquarius Sun conjunct Mars in the 10H, Saturn in the 11H and Sag Moon and I'm leftist.

Since Pallas was mentioned, I have it exact opposite Taurus ASC.

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posted June 30, 2015 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see this in the chart. It is a matter of personal values. I am an earth void and very conservative!

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posted June 30, 2015 04:30 PM            

Fdr and Lincoln were left (politically tho Lincoln was a republican.... It was a different party then. I'm aware of history )

So any way, you'll see Aquarians and really all air signs varying as they can see different sides of the same coins.

Virgos are typically moderate right

posted June 30, 2015 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan, Reagan are conservative Aquarians.

Fdr and Lincoln were left (politically tho Lincoln was a republican.... It was a different party then. I'm aware of history )

So any way, you'll see Aquarians and really all air signs varying as they can see different sides of the same coins.

Virgos are typically moderate right

I saw Justice Ginsberg's chart with Scorpio moon trine Pluto and I thought that was delightful :laugh:

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Ayn Rand wasn't a Conservative.

posted June 30, 2015 06:50 PM            

One, Cancer sun and moon can create intense loyalty and that can affect ideology if it's relevant to their loyalties (family, religion, etc). And they also tend to be intensely patriotic. I knew one Cancer sun who went from being a bigot and conservative to a liberal who condemns bigotry in all its forms and yet he won't abide any criticism, let alone harm, done to the military (and he's condemned Republicans as much as Democrats for that). Heck, he used to be a rape crisis counselor who realizes that rape is a serious problem in the military and he even told me point blank not to enlist because of that, yet actually say anything about that publicly rather than privately and he'll have a meltdown because, you know, loyalty (he hates it and wants to see it changed and worked to do so while he was enlisted himself, mind you, but he can't bring himself to publicly shame the institution itself for it).

And I've gone through many changes which I think is my mutable Sag energy combined with the Libra with dash of Scorpio energies that constantly weigh things on my scales (if I had a lot more Scorpio, or even just born a couple of days later so my sun was Scorpio, I might be more fixed, but as it is I have just enough to not fear transformation). That said, I think Sags are much more mutable in their youth, after a certain age they become more fixed...but then maybe about everyone does and Sag does it less. My Libra Saturn is fairly standard today but when I was younger my Libra Saturn manifested in a much different way that would startle many astrologers--yet still true to form, once you understand the background and life experiences that shaped it as it was true to the spirit of the placement. (It's a long story and complicated to explain.)

posted June 30, 2015 07:20 PM            

Interesting question. I also have a pretty Saturnine birth chart, and although I grew up in a very conservative family and began voting at age 18 for conservatives (GOP in USA), I have gradually become educated in the totally opposite direction.

Sometimes there are pointers to potential ideology in charts of those that become politicians, but it really has to do with upbringing and what you do with it, how you learn from it.

posted June 30, 2015 08:51 PM            

The majority of political conflict is caused by financial conflict. It's mostly money-based, imo. Even then, congress is comprised of all rich guys anyway.

posted July 01, 2015 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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Most conservatives who promote her don't know her any better than most liberals who condemn her. I laughed so hard when a "tea party" politician who promoted Ayn Rand suddenly backtracked after decades of being her fan as he said he finally read her and realized how much she despised Christianity.

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To me, political conservative fm in the U.S. Or liberalism overall U.S. the orientation towards lesser government, the emphasis on individual responsibility. Religion is very different. Many politically liberal ppl are Christian and may find abortion wrong. Many politically conservative ppl might not be Christisn or religious at all. Although Chrustisnity has a history of associating with conservatives, political conservatives mid in itself not associated. The affinity towards Christianity has a lot to do with the Puritans and the founding of America.

posted July 01, 2015 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
To me, political conservative fm in the U.S. Or liberalism overall U.S. the orientation towards lesser government, the emphasis on individual responsibility. Religion is very different. Many politically liberal ppl are Christian and may find abortion wrong. Many politically conservative ppl might not be Christisn or religious at all. Although Chrustisnity has a history of associating with conservatives, political conservatives mid in itself not associated. The affinity towards Christianity has a lot to do with the Puritans and the founding of America.

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Here in the US most politicians are Christian, and the Christian Right (not to be confused with Christendom) is a major base for conservatives and the Republican Party. Most politicians who favor the right to choose an abortion are also Christian, though they usually don't take such a literal view of the Bible and aren't associated with the Christian Right. And when you speak of conservatives in the US the default position is "Christian Right" with exceptions being very rare (though many politicians who come off as zealots are just play acting and will ultimately do what their corporate sponsors pay them to do).

Ayn Rand's philosophy clashes with conservatives on a number of other issues, from corporate welfare to issues involving gays (AR said something along the lines that she thought it disgusting yet the government had no right to prohibit it), pornography, "sin taxes" (heck, just about taxes of any kind), the role of police and military clash with standard conservatives in many cases, as did her opposition to the death penalty (though for reasons very different from liberals, other than acknowledgement that the system was far from perfect and thus couldn't be fully trusted to be just), and Objectivists (keeping true to Ayn Rand in this regard) oppose what conservatives are trying to do to the schools (save slashing budgets), particularly attacks on science curriculum, and more importantly oppose the war on (some) drugs.

Technically speaking, most more familiar with Ayn Rand consider her to be "libertarian" (though the Objectivists are just one faction among the Libertarian Party, and Ayn Rand herself was scathing toward them) rather than conservative, though there are a lot of complexities there I'm not in the mood to explain (the kind that come about through so much BS and double talk which are inherent to virtually all politics on any and all sides as well as some other confusing aspects like libertarians considered the "crazy uncle" of conservatives who hold a lot less influence than the Christian Right but at the same time endlessly blamed for "stealing votes" from Republicans so that Democrats win--and Ron Paul who runs as Republican is actually more Libertarian than some Libertarian candidates as Bob Barr, it's a mess trying to make sense out of it).

Yet apparently some people who went to the Ivy Leagues (where they made valuable contacts, far more useful than the actual education) and come from wealthy families are under this delusion that they've pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps without any help from anyone and so somehow identify with Ayn Rand's heroes without actually bothering to read too much into her philosophy beyond what strokes their ego. I expect how much AR hated Communism (and hippies) with a passion probably made her a darling of the Right as well (even if AR took a dim view of our military policies advocating the invasion of other countries with notable exceptions).

And so you get conservative politicians praising Jesus in one breath and Ayn Rand in the next (when their philosophies couldn't be more different and Ayn Rand despised Jesus--granted, it seems to me that she despised about everyone, sometimes even her own followers ). That is to say you'll hear her name praised by many major conservative speakers and politicians, but they'll promote things very contradictory to her philosophy on a regular basis ('course they tend do the same with Jesus, too). And if Ayn Rand were alive today she'd refuse to associate with them (I expect Jesus wouldn't have much to do with them either ).

posted July 01, 2015 04:13 AM            

My natal chart is Fire and Earth dominant (with one more planetary placement in Fire than Earth), with only Venus in Gemini and Mars in Cancer.

I suppose what makes me the "political type" is:
Leo Sun in 5th House
Aries Saturn in 1st House Conjunct Ascendant
Sagittarius Pluto in 8th House Trine Ascendant
Capricorn Jupiter in 10th House Conjunct Midheaven
Virgo Mercury in 6th House Trine Midheaven
Aquarius Uranus Conjunct Capricorn Neptune in 11th House makes me idealistic/altruistic/humanitarian/a dreamer of Utopia, and compels me to want to serve others (through leadership).

posted July 01, 2015 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I'm 18 years old, and, among my friends, I'm considered the one that is most inclined towards politics. I have deep views/ideas when it comes to politics, and quite a few people have said they can see me as a politician.

My natal chart is Fire and Earth dominant (with one more planetary placement in Fire than Earth), with only Venus in Gemini and Mars in Cancer.

I suppose what makes me the "political type" is:
Leo Sun in 5th House
Aries Saturn in 1st House Conjunct Ascendant
Sagittarius Pluto in 8th House Trine Ascendant
Capricorn Jupiter in 10th House Conjunct Midheaven
Virgo Mercury in 6th House Trine Midheaven
Aquarius Uranus Conjunct Capricorn Neptune in 11th House makes me idealistic/altruistic/humanitarian/a dreamer of Utopia, and compels me to want to serve others (through leadership).

I don't identify as a libertarian/liberal or conservative, but most of my views/ideas lean towards the left.

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Interesting. I think it could also depend on the House Rulers for the 2nd House, 6th House and 10th House ("Money/Work Houses" and where the Ruling Planets are placed. I saw a video of an Astrologer giving someone a career reading and he used something called "The Train Method" to determine their career. Basically he would say "2nd House is Leo, which is Ruled by The Sun, which is in the 6th House" and then look at the Ruler of that House and find where that is (for example). You keep going until you can't go any further, even if it means that you get two Planets at the end. I thought it was very interesting. If you try it with your chart, I'm interested in seeing if it shows a Political Career.

I'm going to be a Politician, actually. My Natal Chart screams it and I've done it in Past Lives. I'm 17, but 18 on August 22nd. So I'm a Leo. I have a Leo Ascendant and my Sun is conjunct Regulus. My 2nd House is in Leo with my Sun in the 2nd House. I have a Capricorn 6th House, with Neptune in the 6th ("Natal 6th house Neptunians direct enormous resources of energy toward providing for others and direct celestial healing power through the synergy of the redeemer in the home of service"). I have Saturn in the 10th House Aries, conjunct my MC (just a little over a 1 degree orb) and the Moon (using a 4 degree orb), which is also in the 10th House Aries. I also have Mercury in Virgo in the 2nd House (which shows that communication is a heavy part of my career, which of course occurs in Politics). I could go on for a while, because there is lots of stuff there. It even shows up in my Numerology (11 Life Path). Anyways, even though Saturn plays a heavy role in my chart, I'm actually a hardcore Leftist. I would describe my views as being Progressive Liberal. In terms of Political Party support (in Canada), I'm voting NDP (I'm going to see if I can volunteer as well).

posted July 02, 2015 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I'm 18 years old, and, among my friends, I'm considered the one that is most inclined towards politics. I have deep views/ideas when it comes to politics, and quite a few people have said they can see me as a politician.

My natal chart is Fire and Earth dominant (with one more planetary placement in Fire than Earth), with only Venus in Gemini and Mars in Cancer.

I suppose what makes me the "political type" is:
Leo Sun in 5th House
Aries Saturn in 1st House Conjunct Ascendant
Sagittarius Pluto in 8th House Trine Ascendant
Capricorn Jupiter in 10th House Conjunct Midheaven
Virgo Mercury in 6th House Trine Midheaven
Aquarius Uranus Conjunct Capricorn Neptune in 11th House makes me idealistic/altruistic/humanitarian/a dreamer of Utopia, and compels me to want to serve others (through leadership).

I don't identify as a libertarian/liberal or conservative, but most of my views/ideas lean towards the left.

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I have looked at many a chart of 'Oh lets be nice and use the words Public Servant or the old one Statesmen' and yes you have one.
I was a long-haired pot smoking hippie
25 years ago in Austin,Tx thinking myself a liberal if I thought about it at all. When I refused a particular job because I said that is not ethical, they said , " OH you're a conservative," sort of disturbed me.

This entire thread reminds me of a Churchill quote, "If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain"

And it is absolutely the type of music a person will listen to and at what volume changes at a certain age, we do change chemically, so there has to be a correspondence in HOW we think as well.

I have Saturn and Jupiter in Cap so inevitable I suppose.

posted July 02, 2015 01:32 PM            

Among other things, Bruce Scofield writes about events and conditions during the Mars-return imprint-periods during early childhood development as holding possible clues to political leanings later in life.