posted July 06, 2015 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Condoowit:
Faith, the layers of creepiness comment had me peeing my pants!

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Glad you laughed!

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Originally posted by Condoowit:
You're not creepy, you just have a retentive mind, which I admire, as mine resembles a sieve for most things.

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Mine's getting there. I'm guzzling Gingko Biloba tincture and still, the facts seem to be losing their adhesive.

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Originally posted by Condoowit:
Imagine Scorpio with Aquarius, hun. Not an easy combo for most of my life. I was reallllly tightly wound about a lot of things.

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You know, I can imagine it. My daughter is a Scorpio, her sun squares Uranus. It's hard.

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Originally posted by Condoowit:
I actually credit the Angelic Reiki attunements I got during the class I took last year with bringing me down quite a few notches. I am now almost normal. (Smiles)

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You always seemed normal to me. Seems you were able to pull off a "fake til you make it." And I know enough about Reiki to know that I need it. I completely and totally believe you. It does sound woo-woo, but I have experienced enough healing from a Reiki-trained friend to know, it works.

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Originally posted by Condoowit:
Thanks again for the wonderful education about Cappies. I am surrounded by them my entire life, so I know you're on point.

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Thanks so much. Sorry you have to be surrounded by us. LOL

Well, I love my fellow goats, but we all kinda bleat in the same way, and to outsiders it can sound weird.

posted July 06, 2015 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Faith, by far your post took my breath away with the clarity it granted me. I've never seen the differences between Aquarius/Capricorn so finely articulated before - everything you've said has given me so much to mull over that I couldn't give such breadth of knowledge a quick, thoughtless response!

"Maintain" was a really weird, hesitant choice of words on my part - instinctually what I truly wanted to say was "how can I keep a Capricorn around for the long term?" or "How can I better tailor my behavior to make a Capricorn comfortable?" - however it's the Uranian in me that wanted to neutralize the emotional component in those statements with the ambiguous "maintain"... now I see why I might have a tendency to hurt the Capricorns in my life. If something isn't rational, I feel as though they want authenticity. However, Aquarius thinks "how can I state how I feel in a way that sounds more like a universal, objective statement and can't be held against me later?" Therein lies the struggle I think!

This is a huge lesson for me in working on my communications skills.. thank you so much for taking the time to spell this out for me ♥

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Thank you, thank you for explaining!

I think I see the problem more clearly now. It's like the Capricorn knows you are keeping this question in there:

How can I better tailor my behavior to make a Capricorn comfortable?

And that question is so full of consideration and respect, it's like a balm to the Capricorn soul. And yet, you disabled the emotional quality in the question and asked a different question. Which is enough to make an intuitive, lovesick Cap rip his hair out and get really savage, begging and slamming doors and being a caveman, trying to get you to say is that you love him. Not objectively and self-protectively, but with a willingness to accommodate.

BUT. If you are genuinely and thoroughly objective, self-protective...and cannot part with those qualities without compromising your integrity and sense of yourself...?

You may just keep encountering cavemen Caps who keep trying to dismantle what they perceive as a shell, who try and stick amplifiers on your respect for them, who try and modulate you so as to extract the most appreciation possible.

Maybe!

I am only guessing and apologize if I am putting too much "solidity," too much Cappy concrete, on these conjectures. It's all just wondering.

But anyway, I think you're brilliant, honestly. It's been great talking with you.

posted July 06, 2015 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
To stay with me is a test of loyalty and honesty and not quitting when it gets tough. That's the real way to "maintain" a Cap.

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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
I much prefer private affection that isn't interrupted by others watching or people being uncomfortable.

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I've experienced that in one relationship, and the guy meant the world to me. Then again, the trickiness of trying to navigate the shyness we elicited in each other became a real ordeal over time.

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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
You can always win us over with practical things like, cleaning up, responsible finances, everything organized, with a massage on the temples to make us feel relaxed that we dont have to do EVERYTHING in order for a structure to put us at ease.

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Another reason Capricorn loves Virgo...

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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
The fact youre attracted to this is great... I cant be attracted to a Cappy because there are too many similarities

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Same here. Well my first boyfriend was a Capricorn and that was lovely, but since I've gotten older, I cannot see how I would ever get along with a Capricorn man. I see them as (shocker) too bossy.

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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
I will say though...he melted when I gave him massages...

Us Cappys LOVE massages on our backs, necks and temples. Thats a sure way to keep a Cap always seeking you out. Learn to make us relaxed and we will make a place for you in our hearts. Trust!

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Okay we have a consensus I think.

posted July 06, 2015 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by RogueReader:
Agreed on all accounts; especially the outline of Aquarian thought processes. I can completely relate and it's hard to understand and make understood how Aqua thinks. Although I'm not the OP, I'm super appreciative that people took creative risks and the time to chime in. Shoutout to Faith for the Aqua neon nail polish bit - I LOL'd; I loooooooove neons.

See, this is why I come to Lindaland. It's nice to just commiserate, gain insight, be compassionate, and truly help each other. Makes my Pisces Venus all warm and fuzzy inside <3

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Since you've joined, I have admired every single thing you have said.

This is just one more thing that I, and my egotistical Leo ASC, really like.

Thanks for being cool.

posted July 06, 2015 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Okay I will corroborate what you are saying here. My blunt and excitable 6 Sag Venus would have asked you out on a date just for that comment, if I were single and better looking. Honestly.

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Awww! Sag Venus is quite the romantic

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Originally posted by Faith:

But...what happens next? Why does it end?

Your Saturn square their Venus gets to be too much?

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The Venus @7° Sag from experience is in fact my ex wife, and she had Moon/Chiron/Venus T square completed by my Gem Merc, as her Venus completed my Saturn Uranus (and Pluto) Mercury T. I'd blame too much Saturn Chiron before Saturn Venus. But we completed each others grand crosses and have Moon opposite Saturn DW, so its like trying to escape a friggin' black hole.

Some of the others...

High school sweetheart had her Sun conjunct my SN, and my sun conjunct her NN. Believe it or not, I pushed her away so I wouldn't hold her back... (And no, I didn't know about Nodes in astrology yet)

Edit: in hind sight I probably felt she would have held me back too... I didn't want to become "Mrs. {Her Name}". But we shouldn't dwell too much on that part... the things we tell ourselves, right?

posted July 06, 2015 07:16 PM            

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I married a cap sun/venus in 1991 and still haven't managed to legally divorce him (Saturn anyone?)

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Mmm...true. I was explaining to my 5 year-old yesterday, that after we die, and after the bacteria eats everything up, the skeleton still exists for a long, long time. I didn't add, "And there's your lesson about Saturn, ruler of Capricorn and the teeth and bones." But I was thinking it. I mean, that says a lot right there.

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Awww! Sag Venus is quite the romantic

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Yeah!

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I'd blame too much Saturn Chiron before Saturn Venus. But we completed each others grand crosses and have Moon opposite Saturn DW, so its like trying to escape a friggin' black hole.

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Oh your Saturn conjunct her Chiron? That sounds hard. But right, the other stuff is binding; I've met enough grand crosses in synastry before. 'Hope you have plenty of comfort there in your black hole...I think a lot of people would choose that over nothing.

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
High school sweetheart had her Sun conjunct my SN, and my sun conjunct her NN. Believe it or not, I pushed her away so I wouldn't hold her back... (And no, I didn't know about Nodes in astrology yet)

Edit: in hind sight I probably felt she would have held me back too... I didn't want to become "Mrs. {Her Name}". But we shouldn't dwell too much on that part... the things we tell ourselves, right?

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Sun-SN is understandable, that you would eventually feel some antsiness. Sun-NN is usually the stronger glue, so it makes sense to me that you were the one who detached.

But true, all that remains when it's over is a script and some "what if's."

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Sometimes they prefer their inner pain over letting go of it for love.

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posted July 06, 2015 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
We all have Capricorn-Saturn influence somewhere in our charts. If you have a dominant influence the general principles will show up stronger. It is unconscious but when you understand the true nature of the Capricorn-Saturn principle you will know exactly how to "maintain" a Cap friend or lover.

Capricorn represents the Individual Survival Dynamic Reactor. It wants to survive but not at the expense of others so it reacts strongly against itself. This is why it tends to get depressed. It is ruled by Saturn and gets stuck in obsessive self-defeating patterns. It wants so much to rise above past habits (conscious and unconscious) and truly desires to help others climb the ladder of success along with them because it can be very lonely at the top.
Step 1: Help encourage a Cap and recognize its accomplishments and you will rise right along with them, at their side. They will stick to you with loyalty and dedication. They need to know you are on their side.

Material world brings a sense of security and foundation. More than anything Cap wants a firm foundation because they are destined for exponential growth. This is why they crave establishment, tradition, rules and regulations, control, material things. They need a firm foundation or everything they build will crumble before their eyes (you've all seen the cases of destruction-reconstruction in Capricorns - Nixon, Kevin Costner, etc. where they fumble and then rise to greatness)
Step 2: If you want your Cap relationship to grow you must think in terms of beginning it and sustaining it from a firm foundation. You won't get anywhere if you change the rules and expectations half way through so be clear and firm from the beginning so they know what to expect, and allow for evolution along the way.

The easiest way for any of us to have intimacy in a relationship is through physicality and sexuality. Capricorn is Earth and it reacts to its physical world. It is a passive leadership sign. Cap and all Earth signs are animal-automatic. They desire physicality and react to turn-ons. Cappy will desire a firm foundation of trust before emotional intimacy, spiritual or mental intimacy are displayed.
Step three: Create a physical intimacy that is open and trusting and allow your Cap to express physically and they will be happy for life. Do not shut them down when they feel ready to express physically, and they will be more likely to express emotionally and intellectually and you will have a relationship that will grow from deep trust into loyalty, respect and admiration.

Capricorns somewhat have a fear of the future and tend to hang on to the past. This is why Cap-Saturn represents physical ailments dealing with the bones/teeth and skin. Those areas of the body hold us up and together... our form, our physical foundation. Cappy needs to feel established before moving forward, so practical reachable goals are important.
Step four: Create a plan of action, step by step goals for your relationship and Cappy will hang around long enough to go the journey.
Pay attention to the physical health of your Cap partner in the areas of bones and skin and you will know if they are traveling in the right direction. You can help them release the past patterning that no longer serves them. Look at what needs to be released: past attitudes, past religious beliefs and philosophies, past routines, past hurts, past obsessions, relationships, jobs, possessions, etc. If you cannot help them you can at least understand them.

Step 5: remember that it is easier to maintain a Cap than to overhaul one, but either way, the results will be remarkable - it's a tough job, I know...

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THIS!!!!

posted July 06, 2015 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
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I tried to answer this, deleted my response. Tried again and deleted. Then I realized, you and I are having a communication problem. Then I realized this may figure into your whole pattern of confounding Capricorns and getting into struggles with us. Maybe?

So I'm going out on a limb here.

Here is what I am extrapolating from your post.

Basically, the no-brainer is, it looks like an issue of Aquarius/Uranus versus Capricorn/Saturn.

In my opinion, you asked this question in an Aquarius fashion. Basically you gave me some sparkly pieces of the picture, worded it beautifully, threw it out there ("Freedom! " is what Aquarius says) and you are apparently content to let the chips fall where they may. You will just take whatever advice comes.

Now to me, as a Capricorn sun, that's just confusing. I cannot infer, from your context, what you exactly mean by "maintain." Your usage is not standard here, you don't mean maintain a relationship in longevity terms, so I am at a dead end. I'm stuck on this word and what it means to you personally. So your whole question is shrouded in mystery, and everything you're saying beyond that doesn't fully compute.

So like I said, I imagine your Capricorn boyfriends being in this same position, stuck on a word with you, and trying to tell you, "You are confusing me." And beyond that, Capricorns can get bent out of shape at the whole outrage of confusion, since we like to feel smart, and furthermore, we like to encourage everyone to be efficient and clear (for their own good! of course.) It's the Cap template:

Help me to help you.

So this can be like an emergency they are trying to solve, while others regard it as a triviality at best. And the little gears are whirring in their minds as they try to formulate a solution such as: "You should clarify what you mean by 'maintain.' You need to be more clear." There is some bossiness because they believe so strongly that there is a "should" and a "need."

And you, as an obviously articulate person, are going to bristle at that, and probably throw back something like, "You need to be less *controlling.*" Slam down the phone and start painting your nails neon. (I love Aquarius moons! )

Perhaps both of you have missed the point.

With that guesswork in mind, my tips for future success would be:

1) Understand that communication is vital for Capricorn, as we regard it as the means by which we establish concrete facts and get tangible results. It's all about Saturn/structure. So bear with us if we nitpick, it's not always petty one-upsmanship.

2) Consider telling your Capricorn men that your communication can be artistic sometimes, may not always make perfect sense to them but is still valid and you need for them to be respectful as they explore your meanings. Assure them that there is a method to the madness and not everything is their business to "fix."

3) If occasionally you make the extra effort to speak in a language they completely understand, I think they will repay you with a lot of respect, and all the other secret jewels locked up in the icebox of a Capricorn heart. Maybe.

4) And when all else fails, proceed exactly as you have been. The eject button is a useful button.

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posted July 07, 2015 01:15 AM            

I have Mars conjunct Neptune in Cap.
Saturn sextile ASC.
Moon conjunct MC.
Cap over my 4th House.

posted July 07, 2015 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
This a great thread! I'm really enjoying the read here.

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posted July 07, 2015 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
caps respond favorably to a lot of praise and appreciation. It's ok to choke them while praising though.... (kidding, kidding)

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... funny, I found myself wanting to do the same whilst fighting with my ex cappy!

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
We all have Capricorn-Saturn influence somewhere in our charts. If you have a dominant influence the general principles will show up stronger. It is unconscious but when you understand the true nature of the Capricorn-Saturn principle you will know exactly how to "maintain" a Cap friend or lover.

Capricorn represents the Individual Survival Dynamic Reactor. It wants to survive but not at the expense of others so it reacts strongly against itself. This is why it tends to get depressed. It is ruled by Saturn and gets stuck in obsessive self-defeating patterns. It wants so much to rise above past habits (conscious and unconscious) and truly desires to help others climb the ladder of success along with them because it can be very lonely at the top.
Step 1: Help encourage a Cap and recognize its accomplishments and you will rise right along with them, at their side. They will stick to you with loyalty and dedication. They need to know you are on their side.

Material world brings a sense of security and foundation. More than anything Cap wants a firm foundation because they are destined for exponential growth. This is why they crave establishment, tradition, rules and regulations, control, material things. They need a firm foundation or everything they build will crumble before their eyes (you've all seen the cases of destruction-reconstruction in Capricorns - Nixon, Kevin Costner, etc. where they fumble and then rise to greatness)
Step 2: If you want your Cap relationship to grow you must think in terms of beginning it and sustaining it from a firm foundation. You won't get anywhere if you change the rules and expectations half way through so be clear and firm from the beginning so they know what to expect, and allow for evolution along the way.

The easiest way for any of us to have intimacy in a relationship is through physicality and sexuality. Capricorn is Earth and it reacts to its physical world. It is a passive leadership sign. Cap and all Earth signs are animal-automatic. They desire physicality and react to turn-ons. Cappy will desire a firm foundation of trust before emotional intimacy, spiritual or mental intimacy are displayed.
Step three: Create a physical intimacy that is open and trusting and allow your Cap to express physically and they will be happy for life. Do not shut them down when they feel ready to express physically, and they will be more likely to express emotionally and intellectually and you will have a relationship that will grow from deep trust into loyalty, respect and admiration.

Capricorns somewhat have a fear of the future and tend to hang on to the past. This is why Cap-Saturn represents physical ailments dealing with the bones/teeth and skin. Those areas of the body hold us up and together... our form, our physical foundation. Cappy needs to feel established before moving forward, so practical reachable goals are important.
Step four: Create a plan of action, step by step goals for your relationship and Cappy will hang around long enough to go the journey.
Pay attention to the physical health of your Cap partner in the areas of bones and skin and you will know if they are traveling in the right direction. You can help them release the past patterning that no longer serves them. Look at what needs to be released: past attitudes, past religious beliefs and philosophies, past routines, past hurts, past obsessions, relationships, jobs, possessions, etc. If you cannot help them you can at least understand them.

Step 5: remember that it is easier to maintain a Cap than to overhaul one, but either way, the results will be remarkable - it's a tough job, I know...

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posted July 07, 2015 10:33 PM            

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I think, from experience, that Cap and Aries is an excellent match, as is Cancer and Aries but for different reasons.

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Aries knows how to kick Capricorn out of it's "woe is me" attitude like theunknown said:

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Most caps have the woe-is-me syndrome though so it's good to not cater to their needs all the time.

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Capricorn also loves to manage Aries and sort out their life just like Gemini Blues said:

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
They love to orchestrate. If you don't want them orchestrating your life, you're going to have to give them something else to orchestrate, like a social gathering, or your finances.

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posted July 08, 2015 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Since you've joined, I have admired every single thing you have said.

This is just one more thing that I, and my egotistical Leo ASC, really like.

Thanks for being cool.

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posted March 20, 2017 04:29 AM            

So, I am a female Cap, with a lot of Saturn influences on me, including my sun and Jupiter both being in my 12th house which, in my experience, feels like they are being dragged slightly through the Saturnian heaviness. But anyway.

Two of my three prior serious relationships (before the one I am in now, which is with a Pisces Sun/ Aqua Moon/ Venus in Taurus. I am a Cap Sun/ Libra Moon (aqua AC) and Venus in Pisces, so we are very compatible), were with Capricorn guys.

I'll definitely echo the "need to be the one in control" thing and also the "wounded ego" reaction. Both of those Caps were unbelievably manipulative. They needed full control over me, which was never going to happen. There was no way that was going to change with those two and I suspect both have settled down now with very submissive, girly types. In case you haven't guessed - I am not submissive. I can definitely be girly, but I do not bend to anyone's expectations of me.

So, I'll say that if you're dating a Cap and you are having trouble "maintaining" him, it is because he is just not the right Cap. Caps have a ton of issues. If we don't deal with the Saturn stuff, we get POUNDED during/ after our first Saturn rx. I often feel like I go through a Saturn Rx every other year, not just when it's actually returning in my chart. The people who have really handled that energy and learned from it are calm, grounded, reasonable, and no longer out trying to conquer the world with drugs and alcohol. But it's very hard to find those types.

I will say that if you've found a "good cap" or, a more mature, evolved one, the best way to "maintain" is to be a rock of calm and stability (but never being boring or lazy), and NEVER critical.

I would like to believe I've faced a lot of Saturn demons head on and am in a better era of my life. But when my boyfriend makes a remark - no matter how small - about something I've done "wrong", it triggers the worst in me and it's very hard for me to pass it off.

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You can't.

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This. I'm a heavy Capricorn and heavy Saturn person, any person trying to assert control over me that I don't want will have major issues with my goat horns.

posted November 16, 2017 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Whoa, what a trip it was to see this on the first page again. Blast from the past.

For anyone that needs a dose of hope this Venus RX: the person this post was about has been my boyfriend for the past 11 months now

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As someone who is dating someone with Capricorn for nearly all his personal planets, this forum is a ray of light. I can't express how thankful I am for all the amazing and helpful comments to this forum, including the Aquarius/Capricorn discussion (my dad is an Aquarius Sun, my mom is a Capricorn Sun...22 years married and still going strong, but miscommunication has always been the main issue in their marriage).

posted November 17, 2017 05:12 PM            

My Saturn is in contact with 6 of my planets. Moon, Mars, Chiron, Venus, Mercury and Uranus. Also it's in my IC, So all my fudging angles are being touched as well! Asc, Dsc, Mc. I was not paying attention at all to my Saturn. I thought all my "down to earthness" Came from my SUn and MErc in Taurus, and Virgo asc.

posted November 17, 2017 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

When they finally relax around you, their first reaction is to fall asleep. The body isn't used to being relaxed, you see...

They are susceptible to self doubt. Be their rock. Be their mirror. Let them see how beautiful they are through your eyes.

They love to orchestrate.

My $0.02

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I hope you will see this Gemini Blues!
I think you hit right on with your insights!

Especially the part with "When they finally relax around you, their first reaction is to fall asleep" had me go "say whuut!" Because I had an experience about this and wow can it be a capri/saturn thing?

Ok maybe this will be too long. But I have a crush whom I feel is vey Capri. Although my saturn is touching all my angles and 6 planets he has Mars and Neptune Capri. And a SUn-Saturn Square and thats about it. However I get loads of capri vibes from him.

We are uni students and sometimes I ride the same bus as he does.During spring when we just started to know each other during them 30 min rides we would talk constantly. If I got silent he would find something to talk about and boy did he ask me a lot of interesting questions about me.

After summer break when we was riding again, he started to act differently, he now fells asleep! Haha first time it happened I got sooo sad! I thought he was bored and wanted some peace and that he was faking it! Until he started to jerk in his sleep. So he really fell asleep. One part of me was happy,I thought it was a good signm he was calm and felt safe with me. An other part of me was so upset! Gemini moon yo! I went through lots of emotions all the while he was unaware and asleep like a baby.