posted July 26, 2015 09:26 AM            

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Oh man, it´s no wonder that so much confusion arises when people discuss twin flames. To me your definition is not at all what I mean.

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You are right about that. There are many definitions and people interpret it in different ways.

According to Jeffrey Wolf Green and his Evolutionary Astrology -there are 4 types of relationships-

The four specialty typing’s are:
(1) soul mates
….(a) same soul
(2) karma mates
(3) twin souls
(4) evolutionary differences relative to the four natural evolutionary conditions

the twinsouls are part of the same soul, therefore they are completely the same in everything they do, feel or think. Not opposite or not animus/anima- they are simply the same and if they meet - which is very rare - they do not stay together for longer because being similar in so many ways, there is no growth no desire to compete and perfect, so they always separate and go on finding a better partner.

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Twin Souls rarely meet themeselves. The reason for this is that the very purpose of relationships is to encounter or experience the nature of our personal limitations. By experiencing and confronting our limitations as they interface with another person, a metamorphosis of those limitations occur. Thus, we evolve. Since Twin Souls are essentially identical there is no evolutionary need, requirement, or purpose for such Souls to actually meet; or to be in a relationship with one another. In all the years that I have been counseled people through astrology, which now totals over 15,000 people, I have fifteen documented cases of Twin Souls who have actually meet. And out of those fifteen cases one set of these Souls actually tried to live together. After a short period of time, after the original fascination and amazement wore off, this couple separated because there was no REAL reason to be together. They got bored always looking in the mirror so to speak !

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posted July 26, 2015 10:02 AM            

J.W. Green's theory states that the twin soul is some sort of doppelgänger, an identical twin. I don't agree with it, because the existence of doppelgängers is highly unlikely and serves no purpose whatsoever. (I think he is describing couples made of people who are very similar, too similar, rather than the original twin soul-androgyne concept)

It does have some metaphorical value though, which is looking at yourself in a perfect mirror, a temporary process related to self-awareness.

However, if we are to discuss Twinflames in the context of romantic love, it is the unification of the female/male energy through love between two people. It becomes a model, the ideal of true love, very distinct from what Green says.

I must say I believe we all come from the same soul, eventually, the division of 1(into the masculine and feminine principle). We are complete in ourselves, in a way, but the whole concept behind the existence of genders (the predominance of sexual reproduction on earth as opposed to asexual) and why true romantic love is such a powerful force and fascination, is that only together they recreate the 1 back.

The Twinflame (as per the author of the concept) applied to romantic relationships describes someone's perfect match.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 26, 2015 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Love is special, unfathomable and powerful on its own, no labels needed.

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posted July 26, 2015 11:55 AM            

Theories without a doubt, Sunshine.

But I think what happened with the TF concept is that it was downsided by some sort of consumerism.

It's a myth; just like the return to Eden, living in Valhalla, reaching Nirvana etc.

Like any myth, it's about ideals and archetypes. Archetypes work with absolutes.

Meeting and being with your TF is like reaching Nirvana and is probably parallel to that. Perhaps we and our TF evolve together though, as souls, and maybe all our partners are our TFs, since reality is a hologram anyway, but the TF Reunion can only happen when one is very evolved, as soul.

Personally, I believe myths belong to the future (some say the past is the golden age, me thinks otherwise). Which means people will reach Nirvana in the future, more and more and eventually all of them. And people of the future will most likely be with their TFs as well.

But what happened when this concept resurfaced (which is very very recent) is that everyone suddenly wanted to be with their TF, which is understandable. And some people working with the concept failed to transmit what this really is: an ideal to be reached, going hand in hand with personal enlightenment.

Some of them even polluted the original concept (either unintentionally, to offer solace, or ill-intentionally, for pecuniary reasons) by assimilating it with unrequited scenarios which created a lot of confusion in people and made them find solace or explanations for dysfunctional relationships in the TF concept. That's what I was trying to say here.

The way I see things, probably we will all be with our TF in the future, when we're close to or in Nirvana, of course Just think how many people used yoga and similar practices 100 years ago, compared to now (the advantage of those being that they encourage proper breathing, physical and mental exercises very helpful in becoming a spiritual being, among many other things that are needed for that, of course).

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 26, 2015 12:09 PM            

I just found that important, what I quoted in Orange`s thread.
While I am not really inclined to discuss twinflames (at this point is seems to not matter to me that much, or I have no more opinion on that or I don`t know, just no push into that direction anymore), what I see and have experienced myself as well, is that from a certain point on we start getting lost in theories and hypothesis, and while this is all important, and insightful and fun, too, it too often also means we are getting lost in our head and mind, instead of opening up our hearts and just... love.

posted July 26, 2015 12:12 PM            

here is the article by Jeffrey Wolf Green

worth of reading but then again, it is just an opinion, of course.

the masculine/feminine archetype traces back to Adam and Eve. Shall not forget, however, that Eve was created as subordinate to Adam, and in the astral realm, the souls have no masculine/feminine attributes.
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/articles/relationship-types

Ceri, the article also talks about the role reversal from a past life. Something we mentioned on the Karmic love spread

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Thus, if a person experiences emotional betrayal by another person in the life that is currently being lived, then that person most commonly will want to get even with the betrayer because the betrayer is perceived to be the CAUSE of the emotional pain created in the act of betrayal. For the sake of example, what if the one who was betrayed in this life did in fact betray the other in another life? And, in that life, the one who is now the betrayer felt exactly the same as the one who was betrayed in this life: the need to get even. And so it goes, cycle after cycle, a karma that is sustained over many lifetimes.

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posted July 26, 2015 06:11 PM            

I don't think astrology will reveal much about twin flames, maybe numerology, but don't expect much from a synastry/composite chart. Maybe for soulmates you can check that out but Twins are exclusive.

You should also know that Twin flames are not about all of the lovey-dovey romance you watch in movies or read in books. Twin flames are about one thing and one thing only....completing their mission.

This is why I tell people to stop worrying about your "twin" because chances are you're not even READY to get your hands dirty and complete your work and fulfill your duties on Earth. Can Twins be romantic? Of course, but it doesn't always happen. Sometimes they choose to be romantically involved with someone else while supporting their twin from far away, or they keep their relationship with their twin strictly platonic and work-based. Any "fairy tale" expectations will be crushed when you meet your twin (if thats all you think its about that is).

posted July 27, 2015 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Soulmates are best when it comes to the whining and dining, not Twins...

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I am not very familiar with this new concept. I like GoledenRay as well. Those videos helped me to find an answer to the things that happendes to me.

posted July 27, 2015 10:32 AM            

In my experience , sometimes this kind of experience is just about your spirit having an encounter to learn something. As strong as the feelings are , it does not always have to actually be a part of your life. It may only be a spiritual experience. In time , you will see that. I believe there are a few people who are connected to you spiritually and you do come by them , but it does not always have to be a part of your worldly experience.

On the other hand , you seem to have very soulful synastry with your bf . for 12 and 8th to both fall on each other shows very deep love. You are together for a reason and also because of your souls. Although, I can completely understand you have asked this question out of deep curiosity .

posted July 27, 2015 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I am not very familiar with this new concept. I like GoledenRay as well. Those videos helped me to find an answer to the things that happendes to me.

I have seen beautiful relationships and only a few did live a harmony that I can dream of. Those relationships did not have any troubles in their union, but solved many obstacles.

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Twins can live in beauty and harmony but that is only when they are truly connected with their purpose AND they have chosen to be together. You don't have to be with your twin if you don't want to.