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PixieJane
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posted July 26, 2015 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
Thank you Pixie. So far all of the information you have been continuously providing in my threads since I've registered has been extremely insightful, thorough, and very honest. Kudos! You seem very patient with explaining things to others.

YW. And your thanks is appreciated.

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posted July 26, 2015 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for UnderworldGlory     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
We all are bathed in a chemistry of amnesia as we are delivered from our mother's bodies. There was far greater choice being enacted prior to this than we even understand as "choice" now that we are here.

I don't think everyone chooses the same way. Choice is probably made by their own karmic momentum for some. If you have not read it, maybe there's something in my page about the Incarnation Process:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/incarnation-process/


This is BRILLIANT.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 27, 2015 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Let me put it like this..

The body is heavy and dense, energetically.

Thought/Spirit are lighter, energetically.

The realms in which the soul operates in before it incarnates, are all light. (of course, that kind of depends on the state of the soul..)

So..

Suddenly, when the soul enters the body, it is weighed down. It can't remember everything its ever experienced, because it is not in a light enough form of being to do so. (at least, not without work..) The energy of a body is heavy(dense may be a better word..), so suddenly the soul is forced to focus more on the body and the task at hand, rather than the past.


There is a limbo after death when the soul sees their evolution. It seems it is very focused on what the soul did "good" and "bad" in their previous life, even with the tiniest things. The analysis happens from the perspective of perfect, unconditional, universal love. The pain for everything that was done wrong, especially to others, is immense, and the desire for perfection, perfect love and goodness is burning, from that point of reference.

Then the soul chooses its next incarnation based on this desire, having those in mind, so to speak. The choice, like everything happening in this limbo, is merely by the power of thought-which is the highest power, so it seems, in this present configuration (our universe). The means of communication in this limbo is a form of telepathy (such as with the guides surrounding the person) and so is the instrument of future action (the soul simply "thinks" about it and "makes a wish"). The whole system aligns with the thoughts and the wish and the next incarnation, as the soul needs it, becomes possible. It's a natural process in this "limbo", happening spontaneously.
But the soul obviously doesn't remember this limbo state when they made the choice. They will simply experience the life they created and chose for themselves.

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Aquarian Moon
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posted July 27, 2015 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely believe that our souls are reincarnated into new bodies every so often to learn new lessons and to fulfill karmic debts. I believe it almost impossible to learn every lesson in one life. Think of the many people you know who never learn their lessons. Some of us use our time on earth wisely and evolve our thinking and ways of being. Some are too burdened with karmic obligations to understand or care. Even as a young girl, I knew my soul lived another life. I carried with me the knowledge and thoughts of a person well beyond my years. It was something I always suspected. When I first read about reincarnation, it was just confirming what I knew in my heart.

I did a reading with iQ some time ago. From my draconic chart, he described my immediate past life as strife with heavy Saturn influences. I lived as a woman with a heavy burden to please elders and strict parents. I had a talent for writing and speaking, but was unable to pursue it, career-wise. I was pretty much someone's pet wife. I also had to fulfill karmic debts. iQ described my other previous lives as being a seductress (lol), and most likely I had to learn to not be a salacious man-eater. If one needs to learn the lesson that the wild life isn't always best, Saturn may make a nice appearance with contacts to your personal planets in the next life. Can I see that as being the soul's choice? Yes and no. Sometimes karma makes the choice for you.

But, I can see how my soul wanted to retain my creative abilities from my immediate past life with a new bold influence of Uranus to break away from obligations and set patterns, often distancing myself to seclusion to do my own thing, whether it is writing or thinking of ideas that make up my philosophical point of view. I have Mercury quintile Mars in this life along with Mars trine Neptune. The Saturn influence is there (Sun conjunct Saturn), but so is Pluto and Uranus making contacts to my planets. The Saturn on my Sun and my sixth house stellium drive me to self-sufficiency and ambition, helping my Uranus contacts in my chart realize my independence with hard work and dedication.

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posted July 27, 2015 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your soul doesn't know about planets or astrology in that sense. There's nothing your soul doesn't know. It's they'll image universal perspective of everything that exists (yes, even objects).

Astrology is just a 3rd dimensional tool that gives us an idea about how the planets work and affect humans. And with our 3rd dimensional brain logic, we have still managed to accept and try to understand astrology, because despite it making sense or not to us humans, it shows coherence with people and their personality, or life events.

The souls wanted to incarnate as you, a specific person with specific vibration, the soul came here to experience a new perspective, for expansion.

The soul just knows when is the right time and place, and situation to be born on earth. As you must know, outside this dimension, there is no time.

Time doesn't exist for the soul. Everything is complete. But the soul likes to incarnate on a 3rd dimension reality of limitations and separation. To experience time, "pain" or "unwanted" so that everyone can know what is wanted, and that's causing expansion.

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posted July 27, 2015 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edit*

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Queen Salome
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posted July 27, 2015 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is NO way I had chosen my birth chart.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 27, 2015 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Choice is very often made to continue relationships, connections, certain conditions for picking up development where we left off. But I don't see these as the fundamental ground of choice. I see us all as creators. We are inter-dimensional travelers who come here to create. Maybe some of us spend more time 'there' than 'here', so this dimension/earth seems more like a vacation, in an admittedly odd place that may go terribly foul or really well. Maybe some of us old souls are much more invested in how things develop in this dimension/earth, so going back 'there'/home is more like rest, like our vacation.

But when looking at certain factors or people in our lives, it is really easy to conclude we didn't choose these. This is probably nearly entirely a loss of the cross-lifetime or eternal perspective in which our short-sightedness has us identifying with only what we 'like' or consider 'good', leaving us denying our part in setting up the 'bad' we'd rather not deal with. These are all lessons of creating -- IF we make the connections. I don't necessarily choose jail if I break societal law, but I have to know its a pretty reasonable outcome if I break certain laws in flagrant fashion. Our choices run first through actions previous to the consequences we decide we don't like.

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Free Leon
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posted July 28, 2015 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does it really matter *how* the soul chooses to incarnate? Our attempts to guess how it happens are futile. I mean, if we were to learn the truth, would it make a difference? Would we be able to apply/utilize the knowledge, or affect the process in any way? Not trying to downplay the question, just saying the answer wouldn't make a difference.

With that said, I've read that souls incarnate through the nodes of the Moon -- enters the south node, exits through the north node. If this is the case, it makes me think, do aspects to the nodes in the natal chart not have any effect? It would mean the soul has the energy of the nodes before the personal natal chart is even created. The process of incarnating through the Moon would precede the soul's instantaneous journey across the Eastern horizon (Ascendant sign) and the final arrival into the body it has chosen, thus the personal natal chart did not exist at the time the soul passed through the nodes of the Moon...

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Randall
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posted July 30, 2015 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We may never know.

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bananaz
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posted July 30, 2015 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure can't wait to find out!

I'm really mad at my soul for choosing Venus Sq Saturn...and Sun sq Saturn for the matter. Such a confidence boost for a Leo moon.

In all serious though, I have this theory...I imagine our souls talking to the universal oneness/ God whatever you want to call it, and mapping out a plan to evolve. In order to get to where you want to go, you have to have a map. Astrology is that map. The ultimate Aries-Libra agreement between "Me" and "We".

We tell God what we want to achieve, and he arranges the stars to pinpoint the exact time/birth/place for us to be born.

Of course, I also believe in free will. I think what we do with the life we choose is what counts.

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posted July 31, 2015 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Condoowit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi UW . I don't have the time these days to sit and type out a long, thoughtful response like Pixie or Kannon have done. Between working full time, raising a little boy, and being committed to too many side projects, my time is limited now. But I didn't want to pass your thread over without some sort of response, as this is a topic I've been very interested in for years.

I have to commend Pixie and Kannon and the others who have responded so far for giving some brilliant responses... And I'll make mine short because of all the above. I have found Michael Newton's Journey of Souls book to be convincing and credible in its accounts of between life experiences of numerous hypnosis subjects, and I strongly recommend it as reading material for a person such as you who ponders this question. Newton's subjects had all been regressed back to the point where their souls were choosing, with the help of guides, their next incarnations. Their accounts have a common thread, and this suggests that a good deal of the choice presented to these souls was based on work that the guides do... That it's the guides who seemingly narrow down the field of options and present only a few for the soul to choose from, based on what lessons that soul wishes to learn the next go around. Please read the book.... I think you will not regret it.

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