posted July 26, 2015 12:11 AM            

I always see snippets of information going around saying ... "Your soul chose this before incarnating"...

posted July 26, 2015 12:15 AM            

There is a lot of information from the soul that is not within our consciousness right away. It takes time to learn from the soul.

The soul doesn't really see things simply as 'good' or 'bad' in regards to how it experiences things. So, the soul is not afraid to make decisions that the ego may not understand.

Basically, from what I've come to understand.. The soul chooses the chart it does that is best suited for spiritual evolution in that incarnation.

I'll come back to this in a little while.

posted July 26, 2015 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
The soul and the body are actually slightly separate, it would seem.

There is a lot of information from the soul that is not within our consciousness right away. It takes time to learn from the soul.

The soul doesn't really see things simply as 'good' or 'bad' in regards to how it experiences things. So, the soul is not afraid to make decisions that the ego may not understand.

Basically, from what I've come to understand.. The soul chooses the chart it does that is best suited for spiritual evolution in that incarnation.

I'll come back to this in a little while.

Also, the soul goes beyond thought. So, to think that your thoughts are of your soul may be part of what is confusing you. I am not saying the soul does not "think" however, it does it in a way that goes beyond thought itself. It seems that it doesn't 'think' in the same way we know thought to be. At least, that is how I see it.

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posted July 26, 2015 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
Are you saying the soul is actually schizophrenic?

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posted July 26, 2015 12:45 AM            

The body is heavy and dense, energetically.

Thought/Spirit are lighter, energetically.

The realms in which the soul operates in before it incarnates, are all light. (of course, that kind of depends on the state of the soul..)

So..

posted July 26, 2015 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Let me put it like this..

The body is heavy, energetically.

Thought/Spirit are lighter, energetically.

The realms in which the soul operates in before it incarnates, are all light. (of course, that kind of depends on the state of the soul..)

So..

Suddenly, when the soul enters the body, it is weighed down. It can't remember everything its ever experienced, because it is not in a light enough form of being to do so. (at least, not without work..) The energy of a body is heavy(dense may be a better word..), so suddenly the soul is forced to focus more on the body and the task at hand, rather than the past.

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I was just kidding before. I get the information you wrote. It just still doesn't really make any sense for me. For instance if reincarnation was valid, I'm pretty sure I should be able to access at least a doorway in my consciousness which could potentially lead me to remember a former life and yet this has been impossible for me and I believe I'm already operating on higher-consciousness/awareness.

posted July 26, 2015 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I'd recommend you read Prometheus Rising which your local library should be able to get for you (the reference librarian should be able to get it for you if you don't know how, that's her job).

It doesn't go into reincarnation, but it does help in understanding human awareness and even meta-awareness and I believe help you make a more accurate view on how "high up" you're operating on a consciousness level, and help you "level up" as well (it might help you when you get all depressed, too). I've found it helpful in many ways, a few ways were fast, and many more took a long time working at it (but then the best stuff almost always does take time and effort), and even if it doesn't help you with coming to terms with reincarnation it might help you reach a point that it's no longer a concern (or astrology either).

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Thank you for your recommendation.

posted July 26, 2015 03:18 AM            

If my past life memories (particularly of the pirate) are real then yes, there's awareness after death, but it's without an ego, that is you won't be you anymore (so in a way that is death and yet consciousness remains). One interesting bit to me is that many died with me and yet I saw no one else...and I believe that it's because we were all merged into one consciousness of sorts. (This is just a guess, another possibility is that our ghosts or whatever simply were at "different levels" and thus invisible/out of phase with each other.)

If reincarnation isn't true then what I think is most likely to happen is that there's a divine level of consciousness that is alien to us, and doesn't think as we do nor would respond to praise or criticism or prayer, but that as mortals are born our brains act as an antennae that allows a little of that energy in and that brain limits what we can understand and to survive we have an ego which separates us from others so that we can compete (those brains that don't develop this aren't likely to survive against those who do, and if the meek inherit the earth then its the earth of the grave) and that ego gives us the illusion of being who we are. When we die then the brain stops picking up that frequency (because its dead) but we probably shape that divine consciousness (if but for a moment) and maybe it even learns from us, but everything we are is otherwise gone.

That said, even in the case where we're gone I'd say our memories and experiences are "recorded" somewhere, though these are just "memory cores" without self-awareness. And that at least some memories of past lives are touching these "recordings/memory cores" but we don't just watch and listen to it like a video, don't read it like a book, but we EXPERIENCE it as if it happened to us and thus mistake them as a previous existence we once lived for ourselves (and seeming connections to others just how our egos relate to this alien memory core).

posted July 26, 2015 03:33 AM            

At the moment I'm speaking from the perspective that reincarnation is real (as are my memories of it and those I know who remember me from other lives) and what I described here as accurate. I apparently lived plenty of lives between that pirate and this one, so why did it take so long for it to be addressed now? I think that the "stars were right" for it and that I was about randomly born into it (as were the other players), and now that it's right, NOW I (and they) can deal with it when before I/they couldn't (instead I'd deal with other things that I was able to in the lives between that of the pirate and my current incarnation).

But I don't like dichotomies, particularly of "no control vs. full control" that many like, I think paradox is the best way to understand reality (and I love Taoism for that). Probably there's an "attraction" that's more subconsciously working that draws us to where we need to go, and our souls "take the path of least resistance." So I have a lot of past life karma (based on the dying thoughts rather than engineered in between lives) and I just "go with the flow" until I find a crack that suits one of my needs and I slip into it. In this life I finally found a crack (in the form of a natal chart) to help me resolve relationship disputes that can be traced to that previous life (among other things).

I don't believe we (and spirit guides) make schematics and flow charts for us to follow like some hopscotch game, though I know some take comfort in that belief which might contribute to their believing that it does. And perhaps my finding that belief disturbing contributes to why I don't believe in it.

A vision I had at 15, not sure how much weight to give it, would say that my consciousness came into being because the goddess Freya sang my soul into being, and yet if I failed then she'd just sing a different song. Even if that intense experience was completely true I'm sure it was in metaphors that my mortal brain could understand rather than literally true (but I do have memories of being a priestess of Freya in the ancient world)...though even then I sensed many things I couldn't "see" at all (like how songs on that realm manifested as realities in this realm, this reality being invisible from that reality, and what happened in this reality became music--or noise--in that other realm I was in where the goddess sang/spoke to me even as she sang my existence into being).

posted July 26, 2015 04:48 AM            

Sometimes, when I think of natal charts.. It's like..

I see the soul, in spirit.. It sits.. Waits. And, it gives off a certain 'tone' or energy.. And, while doing so, it also feels and hears the many tones of the 'all that is'.. (While also hearing the truest, unchanging, underlying tone of it at the same time..)

Suddenly, one of the major tones shifts to a vibration that for some odd reason resonates really strongly to that soul. It snaps to a body that personifies that tone, right as the first breath is taken. It isn't so much that it is planned, rather it is like that moment when you are starting to doze off, then suddenly jerk because you dreamt or felt like you were falling.

posted July 26, 2015 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
This part always confuses me.

I always see snippets of information going around saying ... "Your soul chose this before incarnating"...

But like how? I don't think I would choose to have a Sun, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th house and a Moon in the 8th.
Unless I'm somehow severed from my real soul ... And that still doesn't make sense to me.

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The part of the theory of reincarnation I believe in states that we are undergoing a continuous journey with the purpose of becoming whole, fulfilled, complete. Think a god/goddess, with tangible all-encompassing knowledge and gifts. How to incarnate a god.

In order to do that, we must experience all facets of existence. We must make all mistakes and experience the mistakes done by others in order to learn how to avoid them, how to find the perfect solution for those, which is like solving a puzzle plus the necessity of applied, practical experience. It's a journey towards all-encompassing knowledge applied as actual talents/gifts.

Our soul in the pre post reincarnation stage, is already complete and omniscient. But the problem here is manifesting it in real shape, shaping reality according to the absolutes of the spirit. For example, in your spiritual form, you are already a potential perfect lover. But to become one within the limits of the material universe, one needs long hours of practice lol lots of mistakes, made and corrected, acquiring a perfect gift. One life is not enough. Hence the need for continuous reincarnation until you become the perfect lover you are as potential manifested on earth.

When we die, we get to evaluate all the mistakes we've made or others imposed on us, what we have learned, and we reincarnate to experience all sides of the coin, the only possible path to radically correct them and replace them with the final solution. And we choose the next incarnation (chart) based on what we need to experience on this path. For example, for every pain you caused in your previous life (such as killing someone for instance, as extreme example) you will choose to include it in your next reincarnation, to experience what you caused: so you will choose to incarnate as a murder victim. This leads to an interesting point in this theory: there is no pain in this life - by the fault of others - we haven't inflicted ourselves, on another, before.

That's pretty much the core of the theory.
(Note: this theory is heavily supported by NDE accounts)

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AstroMandala

posted July 26, 2015 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And as for "how the soul chooses its birth chart" I'm not sure it does.

At the moment I'm speaking from the perspective that reincarnation is real (as are my memories of it and those I know who remember me from other lives) and what I described here as accurate. I apparently lived plenty of lives between that pirate and this one, so why did it take so long for it to be addressed now? I think that the "stars were right" for it and that I was about randomly born into it (as were the other players), and now that it's right, NOW I (and they) can deal with it when before I/they couldn't (instead I'd deal with other things that I was able to in the lives between that of the pirate and my current incarnation).

But I don't like dichotomies, particularly of "no control vs. full control" that many like, I think paradox is the best way to understand reality (and I love Taoism for that). Probably there's an "attraction" that's more subconsciously working that draws us to where we need to go, and our souls "take the path of least resistance." So I have a lot of past life karma (based on the dying thoughts rather than engineered in between lives) and I just "go with the flow" until I find a crack that suits one of my needs and I slip into it. In this life I finally found a crack (in the form of a natal chart) to help me resolve relationship disputes that can be traced to that previous life (among other things).

I don't believe we (and spirit guides) make schematics and flow charts for us to follow like some hopscotch game, though I know some take comfort in that belief which might contribute to their believing that it does. And perhaps my finding that belief disturbing contributes to why I don't believe in it.

A vision I had at 15, not sure how much weight to give it, would say that my consciousness came into being because the goddess Freya sang my soul into being, and yet if I failed then she'd just sing a different song. Even if that intense experience was completely true I'm sure it was in metaphors that my mortal brain could understand rather than literally true (but I do have memories of being a priestess of Freya in the ancient world)...though even then I sensed many things I couldn't "see" at all (like how songs on that realm manifested as realities in this realm, this reality being invisible from that reality, and what happened in this reality became music--or noise--in that other realm I was in where the goddess sang/spoke to me even as she sang my existence into being).

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posted July 26, 2015 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
This part always confuses me.

I always see snippets of information going around saying ... "Your soul chose this before incarnating"...

But like how? I don't think I would choose to have a Sun, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th house and a Moon in the 8th.
Unless I'm somehow severed from my real soul ... And that still doesn't make sense to me.

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posted July 26, 2015 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Your soul goes beyond "what you want". You've chosen this natal chart for an important reason. What makes you think your chart should be different just because you don't like it? The soul transcends what we like or what we don't like, yet still gives us the power to rule and be the authority of our own lives. Make the best of it..

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posted July 26, 2015 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Your soul goes beyond "what you want". You've chosen this natal chart for an important reason. What makes you think your chart should be different just because you don't like it? The soul transcends what we like or what we don't like, yet still gives us the power to rule and be the authority of our own lives. Make the best of it..

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With all respect ... I disagree. I believe "you", are already your soul, and you choose. If we've ever experienced "ego-death", I think we come a step closer to recognizing ourselves as the soul. I'm just trying to remember why I chose this incarnation.

posted July 26, 2015 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
With all respect ... I disagree. The soul does not choose. I believe "you", are already your soul, and you choose. If we've ever experienced "ego-death", I think we come a step closer to recognizing ourselves as the soul. I'm just trying to remember why I chose this incarnation.

But to suggest that I am separate from myself is downright silly and painful. I am not and will never be separate from myself. What my mind (ego) tells me vs what I already know, suggests separation but I know I am not separate.

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I never said you are separate from yourself, and when I said your soul chooses, I was already talking about you lol. YOU chose your natal chart for this lifetime, but you have to understand that your "true self" or the "higher self" which is your soul, is not concerned with the comforts or discomforts of this world mainly because you are superior to them. The problem is people don't see that because they have lost connections with themselves. The body and the soul are not separate. The body is an extension of the soul. its all one and the same.

Your placements in your chart are the way they are because you chose them, just like how I have chosen mine. So all I was saying was make the best of it and use it to your advantage.

posted July 26, 2015 11:31 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 26, 2015 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I never said you are separate from yourself, and when I said your soul chooses, I was already talking about you lol. YOU chose your natal chart for this lifetime, but you have to understand that your "true self" or the "higher self" which is your soul, is not concerned with the comforts or discomforts of this world mainly because you are superior to them. The problem is people don't see that because they have lost connections with themselves. The body and the soul are not separate. The body is an extension of the soul. its all one and the same.

Your placements in your chart are the way they are because you chose them, just like how I have chosen mine. So all I was saying was make the best of it and use it to your advantage.

Reincarnation is not about dying then coming back. Death is an illusion, at least in the way that it is described. You are already and infinite being. But as you "expand" the Universe, you go through different transitions. Sorta like the seasons.

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posted July 26, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Sometimes I think of it like this.. Even though I don't accept this belief as how things are..

Sometimes, when I think of natal charts.. It's like..

I see the soul, in spirit.. It sits.. Waits. And, it gives off a certain 'tone' or energy.. And, while doing so, it also feels and hears the many tones of the 'all that is'.. (While also hearing the truest, unchanging, underlying tone of it at the same time..)

Suddenly, one of the major tones shifts to a vibration that for some odd reason resonates really strongly to that soul. It snaps to a body that personifies that tone, right as the first breath is taken. It isn't so much that it is planned, rather it is like that moment when you are starting to doze off, then suddenly jerk because you dreamt or felt like you were falling.

Of course, as I stated. This is a purely abstract concept that came to me a few times. And honestly, I wasn't really able to put it into words the way I 'feel' the concept. However, it's always been a concept I've found kind of interesting, even if it has no relevance.

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I think I get it. This is an interesting theory.

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A vision I had at 15, not sure how much weight to give it, would say that my consciousness came into being because the goddess Freya sang my soul into being, and yet if I failed then she'd just sing a different song.

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posted July 26, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
This part always confuses me.

I always see snippets of information going around saying ... "Your soul chose this before incarnating"...

But like how? I don't think I would choose to have a Sun, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th house and a Moon in the 8th.
Unless I'm somehow severed from my real soul ... And that still doesn't make sense to me.

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We all are bathed in a chemistry of amnesia as we are delivered from our mother's bodies. There was far greater choice being enacted prior to this than we even understand as "choice" now that we are here.

I don't think everyone chooses the same way. Choice is probably made by their own karmic momentum for some. If you have not read it, maybe there's something in my page about the Incarnation Process:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/incarnation-process/

posted July 26, 2015 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Sometimes I think of it like this.. Even though I don't accept this belief as how things are..

Sometimes, when I think of natal charts.. It's like..

I see the soul, in spirit.. It sits.. Waits. And, it gives off a certain 'tone' or energy.. And, while doing so, it also feels and hears the many tones of the 'all that is'.. (While also hearing the truest, unchanging, underlying tone of it at the same time..)

Suddenly, one of the major tones shifts to a vibration that for some odd reason resonates really strongly to that soul. It snaps to a body that personifies that tone, right as the first breath is taken. It isn't so much that it is planned, rather it is like that moment when you are starting to doze off, then suddenly jerk because you dreamt or felt like you were falling.

Of course, as I stated. This is a purely abstract concept that came to me a few times. And honestly, I wasn't really able to put it into words the way I 'feel' the concept. However, it's always been a concept I've found kind of interesting, even if it has no relevance.

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As an abstract concept I think it's brilliant, though of course being so abstract you and I (and everyone else) could understand it in very different ways...but that's why many religions and esoteric groups refer to such matters as the "mysteries" as ultimately they have to be experienced for one's self to understand rather than have someone explain it to you.