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NYCdodger
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posted July 28, 2015 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn is in my 12th house natally in Capricorn so I know its going to return in a few years. Not sure what to expect

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posted July 29, 2015 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. It really is tough. You really come to a fork in the road of sorts--stay a child or mature. Saturn will make you mature.

I remember in my 20s I was very non-committal. Finally at age 29 I let the guy I was dating call me his girlfriend--and I took it seriously.

The relationship was terrible, and really the wrong guy to commit to--BUT--that's where I needed to grow up. Now I am less noncommittal...I actually enjoy relationships.

But it was a tough time. I have Saturn conjunct ASC so it was doubly tough...I was severely depressed when Saturn conjunct my ASC...I was also in a bad relationship so that had something to do with it as well...

It was just a really unusual time--as if I had forces down on me big time--like a militant type force that I kept fighting, and every time I did--I got whacked with another Saturn whiplash.

It will make you grow...and whatever house your Saturn is in--it will make you learn that house very well....

Don't worry though--it makes you ready for your next phase of life...

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posted July 29, 2015 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
My Saturn is in my 12th house natally in Capricorn so I know its going to return in a few years. Not sure what to expect

My short answer is NO.
But what is a Saturn return. Basically a full revolution of Saturn specifically for you.
So while it may bare some resemblance to the Saturn return of someone else it is unique to you. What makes it unique 2u?
Also what decisions you make/made when Saturn was last square to its start position and what else also happened then. Saturn shows how you establish yourself, how the decisions you made pan out, how you matured.What restrictions you face and self impose out of need.
You must look at Uranus also and realizing when Saturn made its 3/4 Square a few years ago when Uranus was making a 1/4 Square to its natal position.
These two planets represent two energies within you and principles in your life as you develop as a person in your world.
So Uranus represents freedom and Saturn responsibility. We all learn sooner or later
that there is no freedom from responsibility on with it.
How difficult a Saturn return is for a person depends on how well they integrated those parts of themselves from 20-21-22.
Often a person may strongly follow the values of their parents or a path strongly suggested to them growing up, often people will rebel against anything suggested as a life path. This is Saturn and Uranus pulling
against each other within the psyche of an individual as they grow as a person.
Some persons start out with a stronger Saturn, some with a stronger Uranus and balance while the key happens at a different
pace.
When Saturn return is complete there is a setting in so to speak of that balance and the decisions made when those two energies
worked on you hardest, when they were each square to when/where they started. Due to retrograde motion and their natural slow movement that slow double square action is 20-23 years of age at the most/ So if your Saturn return as you say is a few years away then YOU are in the best position to know whether it is a concern or rather a rites of passage you look forward to in your life journey.

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posted July 29, 2015 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't mind mine. I had a strong Uranus transit at the time, Pluto trine my Aries planets, and Jupiter in the 10th/11th.

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posted July 29, 2015 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was terrible for me...but after it was over I was glad it had happened.

Some special notes for mine is that many planets were in Aries and this was the time that I split with the love of my life, an Aries Deluxe (but I also realized I should've done it years ago, had I listened to an astrologer I'd have never let it be more than a fling and then I'd remember it fondly if perhaps wistfully rather than with the bitterness I have today, a bitterness incredibly rare for me). That is to say had I used a bit more sense and less of a positive can-do attitude then I don't think it would've been as bad for me (though I don't think I'd have escaped it all either and could have easily had many of the same experiences).

And Pluto was in Capricorn squaring my Saturn Libra while in my natal chart I have a natal Libra Pluto and I believe that intensified a lot of things and also shaped the flavor of how things worked out.

Oh yeah, that was when my corrupt landlord pulled the rug from under my feet unexpectedly, that would've happened regardless and causing the rest. I don't know even know what his sun sign is, but Capricorn wouldn't surprise me.

It was painful and yet I'm better off than I ever have been before, and it took the crappy events to get the flowers.

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posted July 29, 2015 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Worked extra hard for social change and something I truly believed in, took big risks, great gains followed by great losses eventually. Finding myself, death and rebirth, feeling alive. Unforgetable time in my life out of a movie, now I am doing the more conventional thing. My Saturn conjuncts Pluto, so my Saturn return cannot be understood without the influence of Pluto. Those 3.5 years of transit Saturn approaching and passing through my Saturn conjunct Pluto were unforgettable. I was me more than ever in my life, I found myself and saw what I am made of, liked it and accepted it. It was an empowering time for me.

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posted July 29, 2015 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, im gonna put it like this. My Saturn is natally in my 12th house (along with neptune and uranus). I was born 1990 so it was during the time when saturn, uranus and neptune were conjunct together in capricorn.

I was never considered to be childish or immature for my age. I've always been sensitive to my environment and intuitive (my family tell me this). I have also developed a sense of what I was "here to do" at a young age and I've been following that path slowly yet surely even to this day.

So I wonder what Saturn is gonna bring to me when it returns. Its one of my most active planets in my chart along with Uranus and the Sun. I feel like its gonna push me more in the direction I want to go in life because I don't like where it is now. I ALREADY feel like time is ticking for me and the door is only a few feet away. I also sense travel in my future

Although I have saturn, neptune and uranus in my 12th house of Capricorn, i also have venus and jupiter in my 6th house of Cancer. Is this considered to be a stellium? They all interact with one another.

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posted July 29, 2015 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's not about "immaturity" per se. No matter how "mature" you are for your age, Saturn forces you to grow through a deep introspection.

Saturn throws roadblocks and obstacles in ways you had never encounter in order to trigger work and change in most areas of your life.

We all have weaknesses and Saturn is here to make you work on them to be a better person.

After Saturn exits your sign, you become the best version of yourself. You're wiser than you've ever been and ready to fend for yourself in every single way possible.

Before Saturn transited my sign (Scorpio), I was a good person. I was mature and wise but I needed some work on my fears and weaknesses.

I ended up repeating my senior year of college, going completely broke, fell into a deep depression, was constantly bullied about my looks, got my heart broken repeatedly and had severe issues with my family.

By going through such a hard transit, Saturn taught me not to take anything for granted and work hard. I had lived a pretty comfortable life before Saturn's transit and the transit allowed me to learn the true value of money, career, success, failures, hard work, love.

I experienced my first real heartbreak. It was horrible, but I've learned to put a strong emphasis on my self-worth and let go o people who don't value me properly. I was a doormat before then.

I learned how to be more assertive as it's always been my number of weakness. That's why I got bullied. I used to care too much about what people thought about me and I had a very low self-esteem.

Finally, I struggled financially because I used to take money for granted. When most of my friends had part time jobs to fund their studies, I was spending my money on clothes and other expensive materialistic goods. I've since departed from this behavior and I am now much more conservative with my finances no matter how much I earn.

I'm glad I went through this transit because I became an actual adult in many ways most of my friends haven't experienced yet.

I'm going through this transit one last time now and it's hard (again) because there's a lot of more voluntary introspection. I don't have a job at the moment and I'm back at my parents for the moment, so it's tough, but I will get through it again, like I did the first transit. This transit is almost over as Saturn goes direct on August 2nd.

Saturn restricts your life a lot. Some friends may depart from your life, your finances may be tight, your love life can become a mess and you may very well end up questioning the meaning of your existence on earth, but it is for the best. When Saturn is around, you tend to see the glass half empty, but once it's over, you'll be grateful you went through such a hard time!

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posted July 29, 2015 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
I think it's not about "immaturity" per se. No matter how "mature" you are for your age, Saturn forces you to grow through a deep introspection.

Saturn throws roadblocks and obstacles in ways you had never encounter in order to trigger work and change in most areas of your life.

We all have weaknesses and Saturn is here to make you work on them to be a better person.

After Saturn exits your sign, you become the best version of yourself. You're wiser than you've ever been and ready to fend for yourself in every single way possible.

Before Saturn transited my sign (Scorpio), I was a good person. I was mature and wise but I needed some work on my fears and weaknesses.

I ended up repeating my senior year of college, going completely broke, fell into a deep depression, was constantly bullied about my looks, got my heart broken repeatedly and had severe issues with my family.

By going through such a hard transit, Saturn taught me not to take anything for granted and work hard. I had lived a pretty comfortable life before Saturn's transit and the transit allowed me to learn the true value of money, career, success, failures, hard work, love.

I experienced my first real heartbreak. It was horrible, but I've learned to put a strong emphasis on my self-worth and let go o people who don't value me properly. I was a doormat before then.

I learned how to be more assertive as it's always been my number of weakness. That's why I got bullied. I used to care too much about what people thought about me and I had a very low self-esteem.

Finally, I struggled financially because I used to take money for granted. When most of my friends had part time jobs to fund their studies, I was spending my money on clothes and other expensive materialistic goods. I've since departed from this behavior and I am now much more conservative with my finances no matter how much I earn.

I'm glad I went through this transit because I became an actual adult in many ways most of my friends haven't experienced yet.

I'm going through this transit one last time now and it's hard (again) because there's a lot of more voluntary introspection. I don't have a job at the moment and I'm back at my parents for the moment, so it's tough, but I will get through it again, like I did the first transit. This transit is almost over as Saturn goes direct on August 2nd.

Saturn restricts your life a lot. Some friends may depart from your life, your finances may be tight, your love life can become a mess and you may very well end up questioning the meaning of your existence on earth, but it is for the best. When Saturn is around, you tend to see the glass half empty, but once it's over, you'll be grateful you went through such a hard time!


Sounds like a great thing if you ask me. I like Saturn so I will be anticipating this. Like I said, I already feel like its beginning to happen even though its due a few years from now. I'm actually excited for some reason. I know some people who have went through their saturn return and for them it was more of a "harvest" than a "famine". It was like they finally got to where they wanted to be since childhood. Instead of feeling like they've lost everything. I think it depends on the natal chart.

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posted July 29, 2015 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Worked extra hard for social change and something I truly believed in, took big risks, great gains followed by great losses eventually. Finding myself, death and rebirth, feeling alive. Unforgetable time in my life out of a movie, now I am doing the more conventional thing. My Saturn conjuncts Pluto, so my Saturn return cannot be understood without the influence of Pluto. Those 3.5 years of transit Saturn approaching and passing through my Saturn conjunct Pluto were unforgettable. I was me more than ever in my life, I found myself and saw what I am made of, liked it and accepted it. It was an empowering time for me.


Yes! This is why I wondered if its truly as bad as people make it to be. I know its rough, but for some people rough times make us happy for some odd reason.

Maybe it has to do with the natal chart. My chart and Saturn is full of hard aspects so the way I see hardships would be different compared to someone who was born with "softer" aspects.

Who knows. I would still like to hear from others and their experiences.

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posted July 29, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Worked extra hard for social change and something I truly believed in, took big risks, great gains followed by great losses eventually. Finding myself, death and rebirth, feeling alive. Unforgetable time in my life out of a movie, now I am doing the more conventional thing. My Saturn conjuncts Pluto, so my Saturn return cannot be understood without the influence of Pluto. Those 3.5 years of transit Saturn approaching and passing through my Saturn conjunct Pluto were unforgettable. I was me more than ever in my life, I found myself and saw what I am made of, liked it and accepted it. It was an empowering time for me.

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posted July 29, 2015 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right when Saturn first went into Sagittarius and even leading up to it, my life began to fall apart. I lost my job (which deep down I hated), my Capricorn live-in boyfriend assaulted me leading to our abrupt separation, and I lost two more Capricorn female friends within the span of a month and a half (so basically, all but one of the Capricorns in my life departed my life at the same time ). It was a tough time but my life has been going from strength to strength since it happened. I met the love of my life and for the first time since maybe my mid-teens am not disgusted by the thought of marriage and can even see myself doing it, I got a job I actually enjoy, I'm going to be obtaining $70,000 come September so my 20s-long poverty will be coming to an end... I'm just in a really good place right now and so Saturn retrograding back to Scorp has scared me a little only because my Saturn Return has been so constructive.

So it's not always a bad thing. Things fall away so better foundations can be laid in their place. If you've had a crap time before then, it's possible Saturn will reward you for struggling.

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posted July 29, 2015 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for witchy31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my saturn is in the 11th house and in pisces

any idea how mine will go? i already dont have alot of friends... like 2 if im being generous

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posted July 29, 2015 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

If you've had a crap time before then, it's possible Saturn will reward you for struggling.

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posted July 29, 2015 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great discussion. I'm due for my Saturn return in about 2 years, but Saturn has been hovering around my ascendant for quite some time thanks to the retrograde and honestly things have been really tough for me.

I have been struggling on all fronts. I ended a contract at a job that I loved with a company I absolutely hated. I had big hopes to get my life together and finally find the success I felt like I was always struggling to gain. I interviewed for 3 dream jobs and did well - then last minute was told the jobs no longer existed (WTF?!). Since those jobs didn't work out, I took the hint and started looking at other things. It has forced me to really take stock of my skills and look at what I can do professionally. I've had the time to volunteer and try things I wouldn't have expected. It's made me very confident in the skills I do possess but realistic about what I want to achieve professionally.

Financially things are in the pits for me thanks to being unemployed for so long. I'm learning how to be creative though - It's forced me to look at my spending habits and make some big changes (changes that I'm actually quite happy with). I've also changed the way I look at money, if that makes sense. I'm learning a lot about investments and how to build stability through other skills I have - I've been able to make a little extra money with my art and with my sewing. Small sums, but enough to make me feel like no matter what, I can support myself and that makes me feel really empowered.

Friendships are dying and I am feeling a bit more lonely lately, but again there is a silver lining here as well. I realized I had a lot of toxic people in my life and slowly I'm learning how to stick up for myself and show people what I really think. I'm learning how to value myself in relationships and how to recognize true friends. I'm also a lot more honest with people about what I think, which for a doormat like me is incredibly freeing.

Romance has been difficult too. A few years ago I had a depressing and messy break up with a guy that was all wrong for me and after dealing with aftermath of that, I was pretty much convinced alone was the way to go for me. During this Saturn transit I met a guy who is incredible but has a ton of baggage. Circumstances outside of our control have made our relationship really difficult and it's been hard. However, it's as if all the struggle and drama is helping me realize the value and importance of having a partner and how to be a good partner to someone else. Even though we're still struggling, I am learning what is worth fighting for and what isn't. Whatever happens with this guy, I think the lesson is to learn balance for myself.

So yea...everything has been shaken up for me. Sometimes I feel really down about it, but most of the time once I have my mini emotional breakdown I realize I have a whole new lease on life so to speak. My perspective has completely changed. My Saturn is my my 1st House so a lot of these challenges and issues are internal and surround how I view and present myself to others. Idk how my return will go, but I can only hope that since I had this transit on my ASC things will go smoother bc I will have already started the process, basically. Only time will tell though.

I still am definitely of the opinion that Saturn is a "good guy". His lessons are just hard to learn sometimes because they are uncomfortable and require a lot of adjustment.

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posted July 29, 2015 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's tough but most people I know survive their saturn returns. If forces you to grow up. You will be okay.

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posted July 30, 2015 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going through my Saturn Return right now. It's almost over (my Saturn is in Scorpio). I suffered through most of my 20s and worked hard to pursue my current career path. I basically made numerous changes in my life well before my Saturn Return, which has helped immensely.

So far nothing has happened during my Saturn Return other than my buying a house. My job is unbelievably stressful and challenging, but it's always going to be like that regardless of astrological transits.

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Hmm I think it depends on what you make of it. Ultimately, what Saturn wants for us is perfection and alignment with the Divine Plan; he's preparing us to be able to independently deal with the energies beyond the mundane (Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto). If you listen to him and accept his lessons you'll be rewarded. For these reasons, I believe Saturn can be a greater benefactor than Jupiter (Jupiter can blow things out of proportion due to his lack of restraint/discipline).

My Saturn Return will begin in June 2025 and coincide with an exact conjunction to Neptune and my Ascendant. I'm not worried, as I already know the theme of the lessons Saturn has in store for me.

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posted July 30, 2015 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmm I think it depends on what you make of it. Ultimately, what Saturn wants for us is perfection and alignment with the Divine Plan; he's preparing us to be able to independently deal with the energies beyond the mundane (Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto).

Beautifully put.

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posted July 31, 2015 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cchampliss2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn return was extremely difficult, but there were other difficult aspects to my Saturn at the time as well. Pluto and Uranus and everything else were squaring Saturn at the time too. Needless to say, I survived. Still adjusting but I made it through.

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No, Saturn returns by themselves are not 'terrible.' A planet aspecting itself by transit or progression is never especially significant by itself.

Saturn is standards, working to develop/learn/strengthen, maturity. It is also a cutting action in which the tendency is to cut away what one thinks is not necessary. There are a few things that can make for a bad experience:

- Struggling with parental expectations, not having separated oneself from them if they run contrary to one's own life purpose.

- Falling short in what is needed in physical vitality, learning, accomplishments, etc.

- Delaying 'growing up.'

- A sense of failure (or fear of it).

- Imbalance between work and home.

- Having stepped on others to get to where you are.

There are others, but these demonstrate the basic idea.

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posted July 31, 2015 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, no. It didn't do much!

There are other transits that I have had that were whoppers.

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posted July 31, 2015 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just personally feel like my Saturn Return will be a time of rewards, something that is the opposite of what many people say they have went through. But it seems like some of you know exactly what I'm talking about because you experienced what I am now talking about.

A lot of people I have seen with their Saturn return finally got everything they wanted, instead of feeling like they lost everything and had to "make it up". It really depends on what you have been doing all of your life beforehand..Just my opinion.

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posted July 31, 2015 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was feeling happier, and more together, but whenever Saturn was exact, I had dizzy spells. I've had them for years, but they were really bad.

Over the past few years, transits undid all of the good - or people did.

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posted July 31, 2015 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn is in the 6th house, along with the stellium of Sun (conjunct my Saturn), Jupiter, Mercury, and Pluto.

My work life was destroyed. My sanity almost went with it. My health deteriorated. I was severely depressed and was forced to attend therapy. I felt like all the power I was trying to achieve toward independence was taken away from me by force. When I went back to work, my lesson started by working for a woman whose Pluto squared my Mars exact. I forced myself to take the abuse. It was horrible. By the time I left her, I was impenetrable. Even she could not reach me so easily anymore. I'm made of tougher stuff now.

I'm where I want to be now, exactly where I have envisioned ten years ago. Everyone is super nice. That was the gift I received.

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