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Sulkyarcher
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posted August 06, 2015 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's in the charts of late bloomers? Like people who don't come into themselves until a little later in life?

I'm thinking of people who don't make friends until they're 19, or people who don't find their talents or calling until they're like 25. People who don't have their first dates until 22, or people who don't lose their virginity until like 27, or anything along these lines?

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posted August 06, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think for each situation, it is a bit different.. For not going on a first date until later, you would think maybe some kind of aspect between Saturn and Venus.. Or maybe Saturn and the Moon..

For not finding themselves in general, maybe certain aspects between Neptune and Saturn.. Or, maybe Neptune and Sun.. Or, really, maybe even a heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house in general. Also, maybe certain Saturn-Mars aspects.

In regards to virginity.. Of course Pluto comes to mind.. But, so does Venus and Mars. So.. Maybe certain Pluto-Saturn aspects.. Especially if there is also a harsh aspect between Venus and Saturn along with that.

I think there are quite a few factors, really..

EDIT: this is extremely irrelevant, but you live in the same city as me. I wonder if we've ever seen eachother before, or talked.. xD xD xD

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posted August 06, 2015 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear lunarians are late bloomers. Lots of moon aspects, moon in the 1st house, etc.

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posted August 06, 2015 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
I hear lunarians are late bloomers. Lots of moon aspects, moon in the 1st house, etc.

Yes!

This also makes a lot of sense.

However.. I think in some cases, a heavy Moon.. Especially if in good aspect to Saturn.. (Especially depending on what is in the 4th house) COULD make a strong Moon person take on a bit of a role of a '3rd parent' causing them have to mature a bit more quickly.

Of course, this doesn't mean they still couldn't be late bloomers outside of that.

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posted August 06, 2015 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in each house would have the affect of prolonging the house it's in...Saturn in 1st prolonging understanding your identity and how you fit into the world, 2nd prolonging coming to understand what you value, need and believe your personal value is, 3rd prolonging believing and trusting in your own thinking ability, 4th prolonging a family etc, etc....

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posted August 06, 2015 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon and Saturn in the 1st house and I wouldn't consider myself to be a late bloomer, at least not by Sulkyarcher's definition. I've had friends all my life (despite moving around a lot), I have felt my purpose (before consciously knowing) since a young age, and ehhh I wasn't a virgin by the age of 18 (won't disclose how young I was)

I would consider myself to be a late bloomer when it comes to my personality though, but when I say that, its not what you might think. I have more personality than the average person (by far), but I know there's a lot more to my personality that I need to develop/uncover/unleash, like public figure status.

Anyway, I think Saturn in the 5th house (self-expression, romance, etc.) can make someone a late bloomer (by Sulkyarcher's definition), along with difficult aspects and house placements between Venus/Sun/Mercury/Mars/Pluto.

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posted August 06, 2015 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I have Moon and Saturn in the 1st house and I wouldn't consider myself to be a late bloomer, at least not by Sulkyarcher's definition. I've had friends all my life (despite moving around a lot), I have felt my purpose (before consciously knowing) since a young age, and ehhh I wasn't a virgin by the age of 18 (won't disclose how young I was)

I would consider myself to be a late bloomer when it comes to my personality though, but when I say that, its not what you might think. I have more personality than the average person (by far), but I know there's a lot more to my personality that I need to develop/uncover/unleash, like public figure status.

Anyway, I think Saturn in the 5th house (self-expression, romance, etc.) can make someone a late bloomer (by Sulkyarcher's definition), along with difficult aspects and house placements between Venus/Sun/Mercury/Mars/Pluto.


Personality also makes sense as a possible manifestation of Saturn in 1st...does your moon aspect your Saturn?

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posted August 07, 2015 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Personality also makes sense as a possible manifestation of Saturn in 1st...does your moon aspect your Saturn?

I have Saturn at 7 degrees Aries, South Node at 9 degrees, Juno at 16 degrees, and Moon at 17 degrees, so a weak stellium?¿

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posted August 07, 2015 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoireAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retrograde planets, especially personal planets?
Because the energy is turned inward.

Afflicted planets, especially the Sun and Moon?
Because the energy is not operating correctly.

Cancer
Moon
4th House
Because you may be too at home and don't want to venture out there. Your emotions and sensitivity may hold you back.

Pisces
Neptune
12th House
Because it makes things hazy and confusing. It's all to easy to get lost and feel alone.

Capricorn
Saturn
I think it's funny because I've read descriptions where it said that Saturn and Capricorn makes a person grow up too fast, but maybe I'm confusing late blooming with immaturity. Either way every site seems to say that Capricorn is the late bloomer of the zodiac.

Taurus
Simply because they take their time; they're in no rush.

Sun-Neptune aspects
Because it makes knowing and finding oneself confusing.

Sun in the 12th house
Similar to Sun-Neptune aspects.

12th house planets in general
Their energy and influence are felt subconsciously and are typically hidden.

Neptune-MC aspects
Because you may not know what you want to do in life.

Neptune aspects in general.
See the Pisces, etc. part above.

Saturn in the 1st or 7th
The 1st house is the house of the self, so delays in knowing yourself? The 7th house is relationships, so delays in marriage and other romantic relationships.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
I think for each situation, it is a bit different.. For not going on a first date until later, you would think maybe some kind of aspect between Saturn and Venus.. Or maybe Saturn and the Moon..

For not finding themselves in general, maybe certain aspects between Neptune and Saturn.. Or, maybe Neptune and Sun.. Or, really, maybe even a heavy Neptune/Pisces/12th house in general. Also, maybe certain Saturn-Mars aspects.

In regards to virginity.. Of course Pluto comes to mind.. But, so does Venus and Mars. So.. Maybe certain Pluto-Saturn aspects.. Especially if there is also a harsh aspect between Venus and Saturn along with that.

I think there are quite a few factors, really..

EDIT: this is extremely irrelevant, but you live in the same city as me. I wonder if we've ever seen eachother before, or talked.. xD xD xD


Are you born in 1995? I was born in the late 80s!

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posted August 07, 2015 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
I hear lunarians are late bloomers. Lots of moon aspects, moon in the 1st house, etc.

I have never heard of this before!

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posted August 07, 2015 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Saturn in each house would have the affect of prolonging the house it's in...Saturn in 1st prolonging understanding your identity and how you fit into the world, 2nd prolonging coming to understand what you value, need and believe your personal value is, 3rd prolonging believing and trusting in your own thinking ability, 4th prolonging a family etc, etc....

Mine's in the 10th.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I have Moon and Saturn in the 1st house and I wouldn't consider myself to be a late bloomer, at least not by Sulkyarcher's definition. I've had friends all my life (despite moving around a lot), I have felt my purpose (before consciously knowing) since a young age, and ehhh I wasn't a virgin by the age of 18 (won't disclose how young I was)

I would consider myself to be a late bloomer when it comes to my personality though, but when I say that, its not what you might think. I have more personality than the average person (by far), but I know there's a lot more to my personality that I need to develop/uncover/unleash, like public figure status.

Anyway, I think Saturn in the 5th house (self-expression, romance, etc.) can make someone a late bloomer (by Sulkyarcher's definition), along with difficult aspects and house placements between Venus/Sun/Mercury/Mars/Pluto.


Interesting.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
I have Saturn at 7 degrees Aries, South Node at 9 degrees, Juno at 16 degrees, and Moon at 17 degrees, so a weak stellium?¿

That's fortunate for you that Saturn doesn't touch your moon, that creates a lot of emotional insecurity. Moon in first would allow you to put your emotions out front but the Saturn would still restrict so it makes sense you are able to show some but still not feel your showing your full depth of who you are.
I'm sure you are already aware of the Saturn/SN meaning, past karma being brought forward to be worked out in this life. Much of your life probably feels as if it's out of your control. Your free will is restricted with this aspect, fate and karma are and will be the major force directing your life.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NoireAries:
Retrograde planets, especially personal planets?
Because the energy is turned inward.

Afflicted planets, especially the Sun and Moon?
Because the energy is not operating correctly.

Cancer
Moon
4th House
Because you may be too at home and don't want to venture out there. Your emotions and sensitivity may hold you back.

Pisces
Neptune
12th House
Because it makes things hazy and confusing. It's all to easy to get lost and feel alone.

Capricorn
Saturn
I think it's funny because I've read descriptions where it said that Saturn and Capricorn makes a person grow up too fast, but maybe I'm confusing late blooming with immaturity. Either way every site seems to say that Capricorn is the late bloomer of the zodiac.

Taurus
Simply because they take their time; they're in no rush.

Sun-Neptune aspects
Because it makes knowing and finding oneself confusing.

Sun in the 12th house
Similar to Sun-Neptune aspects.

12th house planets in general
Their energy and influence are felt subconsciously and are typically hidden.

Neptune-MC aspects
Because you may not know what you want to do in life.

Neptune aspects in general.
See the Pisces, etc. part above.

Saturn in the 1st or 7th
The 1st house is the house of the self, so delays in knowing yourself? The 7th house is relationships, so delays in marriage and other romantic relationships.


I have Jupiter retrograde, and that's it!

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posted August 07, 2015 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CupOfDavid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a late bloomer and have a first-house Saturn in Capricorn (conjunct Neptune) semi-square my Moon.

I probably won't find my stride until well after my first Saturn Return.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Mine's in the 10th.

Mine is to, yuck!! Career or finding the path to follow your dreams and afford life through that, will come late. Your passions in a career and understanding how you will shine will feel hard to find until you've matured and experienced enough to truly know your heart and to then know how to follow it.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Mine's in the 10th.

Saturn is at home in the Midheaven. With him at the the top of your natal wheel your chart should feel relatively balanced.

From the few charts I've read I have noticed that Saturn tends to add weight in the quadrant, and most especially the house, in which he resides. What I mean is he'll sort of force the individual to focus on the energies of the house he is in and the houses on each side.

So in my case, with Saturn in the first house I need to focus on the areas of life that are governed by the 12th, 1st, and 2nd houses, but mostly the 1st.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Free Leon:
Saturn is at home in the Midheaven. With him at the the top of your natal wheel your chart should feel relatively balanced.

From the few charts I've read I have noticed that Saturn tends to add weight in the quadrant, and most especially the house, in which he resides. What I mean is he'll sort of force the individual to focus on the energies of the house he is in and the houses on each side.

So in my case, with Saturn in the first house I need to focus on the areas of life that are governed by the 12th, 1st, and 2nd houses, but mostly the 1st.


Saturn in 10th is in it's home in the way that it forces you to work hard for every step forward, what others seem to effortlessly accomplish takes you much more work to do. It forces you to get things in line and keep them there before you reap any rewards. It forces maturity.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
That's fortunate for you that Saturn doesn't touch your moon, that creates a lot of emotional insecurity. Moon in first would allow you to put your emotions out front but the Saturn would still restrict so it makes sense you are able to show some but still not feel your showing your full depth of who you are.
I'm sure you are already aware of the Saturn/SN meaning, past karma being brought forward to be worked out in this life. Much of your life probably feels as if it's out of your control. Your free will is restricted with this aspect, fate and karma are and will be the major force directing your life.

I feel Saturn and Moon in a very loose conjunction; I can relate to the descriptions of the aspect, but its nowhere near as extreme or debilitating. In my experiences it just makes me cool, calm, and composed, but its in Aries so thats all thrown out the window if I lose my temper.

As far as past life/karma goes, I feel as though I'm coming from past lives that were defined by extreme responsibilities (a position of leadership). In this life I haven't been forced to take on many responsibilities, but I have a tendency to seek them out anyway (weird huh, who wants responsibilities/obligations ).

My life DOES seem out of my control, but not in a bad way. It feels as though its unfolding/blooming like a flower/moving along perfectly like the gears in a Swiss watch. It seems like many (if not all) of the major decisions in my life were predetermined by some other force...

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posted August 07, 2015 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CupOfDavid:
I'm a late bloomer and have a first-house Saturn in Capricorn (conjunct Neptune) semi-square my Moon.

I probably won't find my stride until well after my first Saturn Return.


Yeah, most Saturn types don't bloom until, at the youngest, at like 29/30. We're like fine wine!

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posted August 07, 2015 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Mine is to, yuck!! Career or finding the path to follow your dreams and afford life through that, will come late. Your passions in a career and understanding how you will shine will feel hard to find until you've matured and experienced enough to truly know your heart and to then know how to follow it.

Yeah, didn't find out about my major or career until about 25. I heard that a person with Saturn in the 10th doesn't climb the career ladder until 30, and that's at the youngest.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Saturn in 10th is in it's home in the way that it forces you to work hard for every step forward, what others seem to effortlessly accomplish takes you much more work to do. It forces you to get things in line and keep them there before you reap any rewards. It forces maturity.

Yup, karma is a b, LOL! I must have fooled around a lot in my past lives, now I have to take responsibility.

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posted August 07, 2015 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Saturn in 10th is in it's home in the way that it forces you to work hard for every step forward, what others seem to effortlessly accomplish takes you much more work to do. It forces you to get things in line and keep them there before you reap any rewards. It forces maturity.

That sounds about right. In a general sense, the 10th house/Midheaven encompasses whatever our soul aspires to become/achieve in this lifetime (typically this depends on the cusp sign). So with Saturn's weight there it probably feels like he's pushing you down while your soul climbs the ladder towards the MC. It might seem like he's just being an *sshole, but Saturn does everything for a reason (he wants perfection, he won't accept errors when it comes to the divine plan), believe me

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posted August 07, 2015 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case it's of interest I had delayed puberty, not fully entering it until I was 17 (though I was changing noticeably a bit off and on at 16) and even had a growth spurt (only a couple of inches, but still, and I became a bit curvier) when I was 21-2 which is very late for anyone, especially a female.

This MIGHT have been influenced by some powerful meds forced on me when I was 13, but more likely was an indirect consequence of my 5H Sag stellium (including Mars) that made me very athletic. As best I recall the doctor's explanation I wasn't able to keep enough body fat to enter and maintain puberty and my athletic hobbies contributed heavily to that (to the point that the doctor told Granny that I shouldn't be allowed to have such an active lifestyle, though thankfully Granny dismissed that advice). It wasn't the only reason, but that does seem to be the primary reason.

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