posted August 15, 2015 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ya...I couldn't think of any other way to describe that! Lol
Everyone can tell there's an intensity that's uncomfortable but it's not as directed and in ppls faces, nobody can see the issue with the square.
Pluto on AC seems to offend ppl or make them feel attacked just because you exist...it's like your wearing an energy that's intense and in others face right upfront for everyone to see like your antagonizing them but it's of course not intentional. Then there is others that are drawn to it.

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I have Pluto directly opposite my asc in 7th and my friend told me: "to be around you, ppl have to know exactly who they are."

posted August 15, 2015 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gabby:
[b] Ya...I couldn't think of any other way to describe that! Lol
Everyone can tell there's an intensity that's uncomfortable but it's not as directed and in ppls faces, nobody can see the issue with the square.
Pluto on AC seems to offend ppl or make them feel attacked just because you exist...it's like your wearing an energy that's intense and in others face right upfront for everyone to see like your antagonizing them but it's of course not intentional. Then there is others that are drawn to it.

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I have Pluto directly opposite my asc in 7th and my friend told me: "to be around you, ppl have to know exactly who they are."

posted August 15, 2015 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:

I wouldn't say it's because the Pluto person is wearing uncomfortable undies. It's more like the Pluto perso makes others feel like the Pluto person see right through their uncomfortable undies even though they gave hidden the undies with all these layers of nice clothings.
The Pluto person makes others feel very vulnerable and exposed yet you cannot tell the Pluto person that you feel like they see right through your undies. Hence the plutonic knowledge is "hidden" yet still in your face.

I have Pluto directly opposite my asc in 7th and my friend told me: "to be around you, ppl have to know exactly who they are."

This video says it all: take no prisoners. Leave no stones unturned. Authentic relationships
http://youtu.be/j7xQPmzibaE

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That's awesome!! I love the way you expressed that, it makes sense!

posted August 15, 2015 12:22 PM            

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Is your Pluto on your IC or DC?
I've often wondered how do ppl feel with Pluto square AC?
I have Valentine/Eros/IC square my Pluto/AC by 1 degree and for me it seems to make me a bit schizoid regarding love, I'm all or nothing and don't really know how to be inbetween. It's uncomfortable and I wish I knew how to take things slowly and grow into love but the square is just frustrating it makes everything urgent or it wants to feel nothing.
Do you have anything like this going on?

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Pluto is in my 10th House. It sextiles my Sun & Mercury. My Sun/Mercury/Venus is in Virgo/8th House.

That, I think, affects how I approach relationships. I'm not really fond of superficiality. I'm not the person that jumps for joy when I realize that I have something unimportant in common with another person. I'm not likely to care. What I do care about, is whether or not they're sincere and trustworthy. Since I'm pretty good at figuring that out through observation alone, I don't often feel the need to strike up a conversation with someone I'm not interested in. I think that plays out in a way where others are likely to see it as "all or nothing". I'm either interested in you or I'm not. Striking up a conversation that includes pointless smalltalk is not likely to change my mind.

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Originally posted by theunknown
I wouldn't say it's because the Pluto person is wearing uncomfortable undies. It's more like the Pluto perso makes others feel like the Pluto person see right through their uncomfortable undies even though they gave hidden the undies with all these layers of nice clothings.
The Pluto person makes others feel very vulnerable and exposed yet you cannot tell the Pluto person that you feel like they see right through your undies. Hence the plutonic knowledge is "hidden" yet still in your face.
I have Pluto directly opposite my asc in 7th and my friend told me: "to be around you, ppl have to know exactly who they are."

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posted August 15, 2015 12:43 PM            

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That's awesome!! I love the way you expressed that, it makes sense!

I was speaking of the square aspect more than anything I think it will still make others feel uncomfortable but in a more spastic way, the conjunction is what I have and it's a penetrating and direct energy, that's why ppl always react to it.
The square is going to be more erratic and frustrating energy but still gives off an uneasy vibe to others.
The opposition, you tell me, how do ppl react to you?

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I can switch on the charm or switch it off because Pluto in 7th knows how to imitate to immerse in an environment and emerge when it needs to. I'd say same can apply for most Plutonian ppl. I'm very in touch with my Plutonian side but not all Pluto in 7th realizes their intense side especially if they don't have Pluto aspects to personal planets.

I watch Obama's interview "in between two ferns" recently and that's a good example of Pluto in 7th intensity. We put ppl in their own places. Once that's done we go back to our laid back happy ascendant and pretend nothing happen.

posted August 15, 2015 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
I agree with pluto being able to see through people. I had a friend who once told me that I "see people's souls." And to be honest, I do and don't sometimes. I think what I've learned about Pluto so far, or plutonian people, is if you push them enough, they will TELL you what type of person you are. And that will break the weaker souls sometimes, you know, the ones living a fake or superficial existence.

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posted August 15, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
How do these energies play out if say, you have an easier aspect like pluto trine ascendant, but pluto is squared by saturn or even mars in the natal chart?

Or the other way around, if you have pluto square the ascendant, but you also have like a Venus trine pluto in your natal chart? Are these energies expressed in layers instead or is pluto just at the front door and nothing gets past him?

God I love pluto.

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That's a good question...I think it would depend on degrees a lot. But im going to let ppl with the square answer since I don't have that.

posted August 15, 2015 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Also, people see me as more intense than I feel. Sometimes when their reactions are very clear I feel surprised.
I don't feel intense. I feel, like a logical, thinking being.

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posted August 15, 2015 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
How do these energies play out if say, you have an easier aspect like pluto trine ascendant, but pluto is squared by saturn or even mars in the natal chart?

Or the other way around, if you have pluto square the ascendant, but you also have like a Venus trine pluto in your natal chart? Are these energies expressed in layers instead or is pluto just at the front door and nothing gets past him?

God I love pluto.

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Easier aspects make you penetrating but less repealing

posted August 15, 2015 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Easier aspects make you penetrating but less repealing

If your asc is aspected heavily you will appear more multifaceted

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posted August 17, 2015 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Ok I have another question.

Have you met someone else who had pluto in 1st house / conjunct asc? What was the first impression like? I haven't met anyone (Other than online) that I knew had this aspect.

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My son has this aspect(16 year old)...10.5 degree from his AC. His AC is scorp@29, Pluto saggy@10

We both almost died at his birth just like I almost died at my birth.
First impression of him is he's quiet and reserved, he doesn't open up easily. He's so nice n friendly but it takes forever to get used to.

posted August 17, 2015 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
My son has this aspect(16 year old)...10.5 degree from his AC. His AC is scorp@29, Pluto saggy@10

We both almost died at his birth just like I almost died at my birth.
First impression of him is he's quiet and reserved, he doesn't open up easily. He's so nice n friendly but it takes forever to get used to.

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That's so interesting that you mention the birth. My sister had a Scorpio rising as well and my mom always, always talks about how her birth was the hardest out of all of us because she literally almost died. The doctor was like, it's either you or your baby but my mom fought and my sister fought, too. And although she was a Pisces Sun, people always said she was super intense for a pisces.

posted August 18, 2015 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
That's so interesting that you mention the birth. My sister had a Scorpio rising as well and my mom always, always talks about how her birth was the hardest out of all of us because she literally almost died. The doctor was like, it's either you or your baby but my mom fought and my sister fought, too. And although she was a Pisces Sun, people always said she was super intense for a pisces.

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Wow!
That is really interesting Gabby.
Glad you both made it. Genuinely I am.

The only thing unusual about my birth is that I came out so fast that when the doctor finally made it in the room my mom was already holding me like, "hello doctor!" Of course there were nurses that assisted.

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I've read numerous times it's not uncommon for Pluto/AC ppl to have extreme births...

Thank you Dop! I went into a comma for 2 days after having him. My body went into shock and then I passed out and they put in a body bag because my core temp dropped so low. I came out of the coma after a few days when my body temp started raising to normal levels.

I think the fact that both him and I have Pluto/AC's contributed to this. Plus his Pluto is exact on my Neptune, they trine my Pluto 0 degree...that's probably why we both lived....a higher power!
He was an emergency c-section...but that was after spending 24 hours pushing only to realize the umbilical cord was around his neck and I had placenta previa...a life threatening issue for us both.
They said neither of us should have made it..I was hemorrhaging and he was suffocating. Then I went into the coma, poor lil guy didn't have me right there for a couple days after he was born. I remember seeing him as they cut the cord then everything went black.

Gotta watch out for things like Pluto/Pluto contacts with your baby...esp when both Pluto's touch the AC.
His NN squares my NN exact, by a few minutes. His Chiron is on my Sun also...we have been through so much together but we love each other a lot and it shows!