posted August 21, 2015 03:47 AM            

Tonight, I felt kind of upset, and almost kind of snappy. I was thinking that it was because the Moon was probably aspecting my Pluto or Sun..

It's almost like I just didn't even want to talk to anyone.. And.. When I did, I didn't say much.

I realized just a moment ago, the Moon has been conjunct my Draconic Mercury in Scorpio.

Now.. The way I felt earlier tonight, at least coming from a transit standpoint, could be attributed to a lot of things..

But.. I think it is kind of interesting that I felt this way, while the Moon was on my Draconic Mercury.. Because, a lot of my frustration was with communication, and me getting upset over the ways some people were speaking to me. I wasn't bothered at all by the actions of others though..

Transit Venus is also conjunct my Draconic Saturn.. Transit Mercury is on my Draconic Venus..

Does anyone think there could be anything to this? Of course, right now, I am mainly just looking at conjunctions through transit..

I'd be curious if anyone else is willing to look at transits to their Draconic, and see if they seem like they might hold any significance for them.

Not to mention.. Something I haven't even looked at yet.. If you turn the Transits on while on the draconic chart, it actually shifts the positions of the transit planets too..

So.. In that case, it is almost as if there is also a set of transits that are happening on a whole different level altogether..

However, the transits I mentioned earlier in this post are comparing non-draconic transits with the draconic chart..

posted August 22, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Does anyone think there could be anything to this? Of course, right now, I am mainly just looking at conjunctions through transit..

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Yes.

Okay, I'm always game for draconic research

I just did a draconic synastry bi-wheel for my & my husband's birth charts and the date/time our wedding began. And whoa.

All the following is draconic, nothing tropical is mentioned:

Tr Saturn-Venus exactly conjunct my Saturn
Tr moon exact conjunct my ASC
Tr Vesta conjunct my Uranus, his Neptune
Tr Mars conjunct my DSC
Tr DSC conjunct my Jupiter

Now a few oddities, in the draconic transits hitting tropical points:

* Tr dr Juno conjunct composite Juno-Mars-ASC exact

* Tr dr Saturn-Venus conjunct our Saturn-Venus synastry conjunction, though the orb is about 4 degrees.

* Tr dr Jupiter on our composite NN in Scorpio, conjunct his dr ASC, trine Cancer Pluto.

Without knowing anything about astrology beyond sun signs...it's a little strange to me that we decided to get married on the Aries Point, especially when we have a nodal axis conjunction, despite a big age difference.

And all the other stuff...

Well it's like Ripley's Believe It or Not.

I would have to post a bunch of charts to prove this and I don't care to, not tonight. Hopefully my sincerity in general has some credibility.

posted August 23, 2015 12:08 AM            

So the draconic chart has everything opposing and squaring the tropical.

Altogether it makes for a lot of squaring energy, and tomorrow we have grand cross-type energy.

The Virgo sun-Sag moon-Pisces Neptune t-square becomes a Pisces sun-Gemini moon-Virgo Neptune t-square in draconic.

posted September 17, 2015 11:17 PM            

Maybe I have some asteroid around 17-19 degrees Scorpio I don't know about yet..

posted September 22, 2015 06:04 AM            

Src: http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/articles/tutorial/draconic-chart.html

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I sometimes feel the transits to my draconic in a way. With the tropical transits

posted September 24, 2015 11:15 AM            

I did draconic charts for all the people I know in my life. And the results were simply amazing.

Once I compare my draconic chart with my natal chart(conjunctions, squares and oppositions by very close orbs), I am simply bowled over by what I find.

The logic here is that the transits that affect my natal T-square planets will of-course affect my draconic planets that are joined with them(by square, opposition or conjunction).

But could the same be said about those that are "stand alones" in the Draconic chart i.e my Mars in Leo 3 Degrees and Virgo Venus 1 Deg?

EDIT: After investigation,I think they pack a punch

Consider my Draconic Venus in Virgo 1 Deg.

I have no natal planets in Virgo. And so I wanted to see whether or not the square of Saturn in Sagittarius to my Draconic Venus ,will affect me in any way.

During the first and retrograde hit,I didn't feel much constraints financially- which is suggested by the Saturn square Venus transit.

But in retrospect,I did I feel a sense of "I don't have friends" -even though that is not true.

I must admit though that the intensity of the feelings were not as bad as when transiting Saturn hit natal Venus: That was terrible.

Could it be that it was amplified by the square aspect it makes to Draconic Pluto? Perhaps.

I felt so terrible and lonely that year(2014) that I just wanted to die.

And when Transiting Saturn went retro-right on the edge of Sag earlier this year? That was no fun either.

I searched and searched to understand why I was just having such a difficult time at work? And the answer...transiting Saturn square draconic Saturn in Leo 29 Deg

posted July 11, 2016 11:26 PM            

Transiting draconic Pluto @ 1 Leo
Transiting tropical Venus @ 29 Cancer

So I wonder if Venus-Pluto energy is rumbling about, making people vampire-like or whatever.

I went for a walk tonight and everyone seemed weird and strained including the dogs. Even the moon was the wrong color...fluorescent greenish.

Transiting draconic Saturn @ 26 Gemini, forming a yod with tropical 24 Aries Uranus and 24 Scorpio Mars.

posted July 11, 2016 11:42 PM            

Belated thanks for your input! So sorry you had a bad year in 2014. I should check draco for 2011, that was the latest bad year for me.

*checking*

Oh wow. The day something happened that put me in a serious funk for months, transiting draconic Saturn was exactly on my sun @ 15 Cap.

Then transiting draco Uranus was parading through Cancer, not the coziest energy I ever felt.

You asked about natal-to-draconic comparisons. I have many:

Tropical Jupiter conjunct draconic Venus (1)
Tropical Mars conjunct draconic Mercury (1)
Tropical Saturn conjunct draconic moon (2)
Tropical Venus & Neptune conjunct draconic Saturn (2-4)
Tropical moon conjunct draconic Uranus (3)

There is a lot of mirroring and repetition of themes there:

* Sag Venus (tropical) and Venus-Jupiter in draco-tropical comparison.
* Gemini Mars (tropical), and Mars-Mercury in draco-tropical.
* 12H Saturn (tropical), and Saturn-Neptune in draco-tropical.

posted July 12, 2016 03:19 AM            

everything was okay here, until about 7 hours ago, when I went to bed.
AS I sometimes have, I felt like all my nerves were sensitized and "alarmed". The energy felt more dense all at once, and I decidedly felt like we were NOT alone. Not just me, but just some kind of another presence or enery somehow.
(I blame my DVD though - before that I Had been watching "Quantum Leap", which is usually totally okay and harmless, but that particular episode always has gotten to me somehow, it`s called "Shock Therapy").

But anyway, when I looked out of the window/door of my kitchen, the sky somehow seemed "wrong", or different, maybe that is better. Like waking up (or falling asleep) in a different dimension. I even got up after almost having fallen asleep feeling the need to really lock the door (I have that occasionally, but rarely. I know I should lock the door regularly, but usually I don´t pay that much attention, just some nights, it feels URGENT that I do. Strange).

Anyway this morning everything seems normal again.

posted July 12, 2016 06:32 AM            

I don't know what I was feeling last night when I went to bed, but it was very bad. My heart also felt different than it has felt in so long, I didn't feel like myself. Well if there was an alien presence they did something to my heart, opening it, stirring up deep, raw fear and pain.

When I got up this morning I thought of this:

Just to make light of it...

posted July 12, 2016 07:01 AM            

Sure, Neptune & Chiron are hanging in my 1st, Saturn & Mars are having fun w/my MC, T Pluto conjunct my Saturn and such, but these are long-term transits that, while unfortunate (depending on your outlook), I'm not sure they're responsible what's been happening recently.

The vibe has been "off" when I've been around other people, lately. I've also been A LOT more emotional. I've been trying to limit how much exposure I have to negative people/opinions because I seem to be more sensitive to that kind of thinking right now. It's an odd feeling for me because I don't usually have a problem detaching and separating myself from other people/situations. I feel jumpy, wired, and exhausted - similar to how I feel around a Full Moon.

It's wreaking havoc with my health. Yesterday I was not feeling well partially because I couldn't sleep and it triggered some health issues. I thought, well, I'll be able to sleep tonight…NOPE.

I also feel like all I do is complain these days and people are starting to hate me for it. Everyone just seems very cold and angry, lately - even online. I know it's just my perception, but that's how the vibe has been…so I've been shutting up and shutting down. Both are difficult for a Gemini Moon, but it seems necessary if I don't want to be completely alienated or targeted.

My Draconic Chart:

Natal-Draconic Conjunctions:

- Virgo Sun conjunct Chiron in Virgo
- Pluto in Scorpio conjunct Scorpio Sun
- Chiron in Cancer conjunct Cancer Moon/Mars
- Neptune in Cap conjunct Pluto in Cap

Transits to my Draconic points/planets:

- T Sun/Mercury/Venus in Cancer conjunct Moon/Mars
- T Jupiter conjunct Chiron
- T Neptune conjunct Saturn in Pisces
- T Pluto in Cap conjunct Pluto

posted July 12, 2016 07:06 AM            

And yes, as crazy it sounds, I TOTALLY get your daughter (I first wrote: sister. Strange. lol)

I felt it myself, well I occasionally feel it, it was not the first time, and most of the time I simply shrug it off, can`t change it anyway.

I remember one time during university days, on the train ride home I was waking up from that semi-sleep, and suddenly had that STRANGE story-idea in my mind.
About a girl/ woman waking up to a "wrong world". I mean where everything just felt wrong, like the blue sky was just a painting, covering the REAL sky (and that was BEFORE the Matrix trilogy! lol).

How was her boyfriend called, she was living with at that time? Wait, I can remember his name. Yes, Max. Maximilian. i think so at least.

Strangely that story idea, was like a movie in my mind, like a parallel something taking place.

But I got used to those parallel-stories playing out in my mind, and i have no clue how it continued for her. Maybe she was simply crazy.
Or maybe she had glimpsed beyond the veil of reality that a human mind is not capable of enduring.

posted July 12, 2016 07:27 AM            

Thing is, partially Ive felt EXACTLY like that, but partially also elated, serene.

posted July 12, 2016 08:08 AM            

It's never any bother to me to hear when people feel bad, so rest assured your comments are not getting on my nerves. But I'm sorry you feel bad!

I forgot how bad BAD can feel until last night when the aliens did that psychic vivisection on my heart.

Or whatever was going on.

We'll all make it through or re-convene in another dimension. Deal?

Ceri, you know I'm a die-hard fan of your sleepy bus stories. I just love them so much, especially since I know how psychic they turn out to be sometimes.

posted July 12, 2016 09:26 AM            

And well my bus-stories, lately they have a different quality, but some of them were scary and gory even, and I`d like to forget. Especially when I read about them in the newspapers later. I really can do without THAT kind of story.

As for septiles, well currently we have

Mars triseptile Ceres0°33
Mars septile Pluto 0°32
Pluto biseptile Ceres 0°00

Lilith septile Node 0°06

Mercury septile Jupiter 0°18

So if anyone of you has planets on

tropical:
16 Capricorn (Pluto)
28 Aries (Ceres)
24 Scorpio (Mars)

27 Cancer (Mercury)
18 Virgo (Jupiter)

or

Draconic

1 Leo (Pluto)
9 Gemini (Mars)
14 Scorpio (Ceres)

4 Aries (Jupiter)
6 Aquarius (Mercury)

the same degree or the one next to it are valid.

Well if you do you lock onto the septile pattern of today.

Mars 24 Scorpio / 9 Gemini
An X-Ray Photograph // An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive

Pluto 16 Cap / 1 Leo
A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism// An Epidemic Of Mumps

Ceres 28 Aries / 14 Scorpio
The Music Of The Spheres/ Children Playing Around Five Mounds Of Sand

Mercury 27 Cancer / 6 Aqua
An Indian Girl Introduces Her White Lover To Her Assembled Tribe// A Child Is Seen Being Born Out Of An Egg

Jupiter 18 Virgo / 4 Aries
A Swimming Race/ A Triangle With Wings

Of course Pluto and Ceres in precise aspect? Makes you wonder what is up with Persephone/Proserpina (399, 26)

And THERE YOU GO!!!!

I swear I had no idea, when Imentioned that, just thinking if man and mother in law are in such intricate interrelation, where is the heroine of our play?

She is at

Persephone 15°21 Gemini
Proserpina 16°45 Cancer

So she definitely is talking to Pluto.

Draco

Persephone 1°06 Cap
Proserpina 2°30 Aqua

posted July 12, 2016 09:50 AM            

A Thor`s Hammer on the basis of Saturn square Neptune, both sesisquare to Mercury.

Mercury = Saturn/Neptune 0°50

And a T-square of

Moon opposing Ceres square Mercury
Mercury = Moon/Ceres 0°46

But maybe the strongest harmonic today is the 11th.

In the 11th harmonic chart we find

Mercury sextile Uranus-Pluto, both quinkunx Mars-Jupiter, with Saturn on the release point directly oposite Mars-Jupiter

with the midpoints of:

SAturn = Mars/Jupiter 0°19
Saturn = Mercury/Pluto 0°58
Jupiter = Mercury/Pluto 0°46

Cochrane sais that the 11th harmonic is often very strong in musicians (so today a good day for making music?)

On its own it seems a bit of a bizarre, surreal harmonic though.

According to Hamblin the 11th harmonic might be about:

"deep internal longing to bring the planets together; they form part of his deep seated internal fantasy. We have used the word fantasy before when dealing with H7, but those arising from H11 seem to have a much more steadily-burning, obsessive perhapbs dream-like quality.
But since the dream arises from within and has no relation to external reality, it is difficult him to act it out in a realistic way and to pitch it at the right level. Either he will underplay it or else he will overplay it and carry it to excess, and there do in fact seem to be many cases where the acting-out of the inner dream is carried to excess."

I personally wouldn`t add the possibilities that the 11th also deals with spiritual truths (very Neptunian in nature, just more internally burning).

Someone else wrote about it it is about bringing together "duality", which might relate to double bind situations, but could also relate to something else.

posted July 12, 2016 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

We'll all make it through or re-convene in another dimension. Deal?

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Sounds fantastic!

No wonder I've been feeling a little

posted July 12, 2016 10:44 AM            

THANK YOU!!! for that brilliant and comprehensive analysis.

Now I just have to figure out why you mentioned Persephone. No I don't know. I'm super dumb about mythology.

But the rest of the stuff I understand.

@SV

My mother's nodes hit my draconic moon, too!

3° orb though. She had:
1 Scorpio NN
1 Leo Pluto-Ceres, on my Saturn

posted July 12, 2016 11:02 AM            

you`re welcome, though I did not analyze anything, just listed stuff.

posted July 12, 2016 11:30 AM            

"Pluto was once absolutely uninterested and unwilling to fall in love and allow feelings distract him from his job. That was just not his "cup of tea". He was doing his job and that was it.
Now, Aphrodite and Eros didn`t approve of that detached attitude, and Aphrodite convinced her son to shoot one of his arrows on Pluto.

Now, when Pluto came up from the underworld Eros shot him, and Pluto fell desperately in love with the young maiden he saw plucking flowers (in other versions, he just fell in love with her without the influence of Eros).
That young virginal maiden was Proserpine / Persephone, the daughter of the goddess Demeter / Ceres, a goddess of spring herself (Proserpine the spring goddess).

However, Pluto was obsessed with Proserpine, and made a blood red narcissus grow on the field. Proserpine was fascinated, intrigued by the flower, but didn`t dare plucking it.
But the image of that flower haunted her even in her sleep, so she got up at night, returned to the field and plucked that flower.

The same moment the ground opened and Pluto rose up, grabbing the girl and abducting her into his underworld. He was completely in love with her, but in the obsessive, posessive way, so he didn`t ask for long.
NOw some versions of the myth say he raped her, others say he seduced her and she finally gave in to him.

However, Pluto really loved her and so he made her queen of the underworld, his equal partner!

Proserpine also couldn`t leave the underworld, cause she had eaten 6 (or 4) semen of the pomenagrate, and if you ate something in the underworld, you had to stay.(something EVERY god or goddess, including PRoserpina, knew VERY WELL)
So she stayed with Pluto (well, at least for half the year; the other half she spent with her mother, who missed her so much).

And the interesting thing is, that this couple seems to be the only one in Roman mythology (except for Eros and Psyche), who were loyal and faithful to each other. Or at least both took care that the other didn`t pursue his or her romantic interestes too fervently, as both, Pluto as well as Proserpine, were pretty jealous and passionately in love with each other, after the very tumultous beginning.

One interpretation of the myth sais that Proserpine NEEDED to be abducted and needed to lose her innocence (virginity) to become a full woman.
The bond to her mother, which had just been too tight (Ceres and Proserpine had been inseparable), had to be broken, so Proserpine could become a woman of her own.

It`s actually a story about the growing up, and transformation from a young girl into a woman with sexual and emotional needs."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000544.html

It certainly features strongly in Mr Sag`s and my synastry.
But leaving synastry aside, the helio composite really was startling me. lol

For whatever`s worth

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Synastry is pretty interesting, too.

my Ceres on the antiscion of his Pluto
his Ceres opposite my Pluto
my Proserpina sextile his Pluto
my Proserpina conjunct his DNA
my DNA conjunct his Pluto
my Pluto trine his Proserpina

Of course there are other aspects to those, but there`s definitely a theme there.

Personally I do like his Ceres on my IC and trine my ASC though.

Oh and also

my Proserpina conjunct his Cupido-DNA exact
and
his Pluto sextile my Cupido exact (and ATlantis is somewhere around as well, just like Spirit and Atropos I think)

It`s like all players in that myth are interconnected, I mean after all it was Cupido who was shooting the arrow at Pluto first (to teach him a lesson basically. "So you think you can wander through the underworld on your own being unaffected and untouched by any kind of feeling, love and desire? Let`s see how well you can do that once my arrow strikes you right into the heart. The lord of the underworld, detached and devoid of any human emotion, in love? Now THAT should make for an entertaining soap opera to watch!" I guess these were Cupido`thoughts or something like that. lol)