posted August 22, 2015 05:36 PM            

I observe and observe some more! I interact and socialize with them very casually. In doing so I VERY carefully observe every minute detail of their body language, eyes, tone of voice, and general reactions. Do they laugh at my stupid jokes? Do they seem fully engaged when I'm speaking? What are their responses? Do they make eye contact? The eye shape, pupil dilation, a slight glazed look, etc. What part of my face are they looking, if they are, and are they looking deeply, almost imagining doing something, or lip reading because they can't hear me? Do they seem relaxed, etc etc. I mean it's like a million little, subtle details that I continuously observe. If it's someone I come across often such as at work I would talk with them on a regular basis in order to get a bigger picture of it. Were they just being friendly/flirty as a Libra would or how do they behave after I've been around them for a while and get them more comfortable? I've spent anywhere from days to months going through this process. LOL

Just TONS of observation, looking at clues.
I have some rather social, extroverted signs placements to help me out. They help hide what's really going on.

posted August 23, 2015 12:30 AM            

I'm hostess friendly, Big smile, helpful, and accommodating. A party pleaser, I make sure everyone is Comfortable.
In general and within a crowd.

There are other times, more one on one, where I will completely ignore a maybe special someone. I know it's confusing.
Why do I do it? I do not know, but it works.

My Venus has no easy aspects except for a wide conjunction to the Moon.

posted August 23, 2015 02:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
In the Pisces chapter of "[b]How to Spot a ******* ", the authors implied that Pisces was a stalker. Unlike the classic scary/obnoxious/Scorpio/Cancer behavior (who wants you to see them and be intimidated/afraid/repentant), Pisces they say does their stalking from the shadows; calling from blocked #s then hanging up, following you in unmarked cars...

The above Venus in the 12th description confirms this.[/B]

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I'm confused, genuinely.
How does observing their behavior in response to my interaction with them have anything to do with stalking from the shadows?

You should probably read carefully before you make such asinine statements.
You're straight out of the chapter of "How to spot a troll".
100% uncalled for.

posted August 23, 2015 02:13 AM            

"Does your Venus help or hinder you when you like someone?"

My Venus has been very helpful attracting the men I like...it's just fun.

The combination of my Venus with 8H Pisces moon does set me back, however, because if I've developed deep feelings for these guys, I couldn't express it through that carefree Venus pathway.

"How do you act when you're into someone?"

This is difficult to explain.

When I was young I believed no guy would ever actually like me, so it was easy to just be natural around them. Why even bother being shy when you have zero chance? What's there to lose?

Then I got really spooked if they asked me out.

But that kept happening.

So over time I really had no choice but to gradually adjust to the fact that I was more attractive than I thought, yet I was still not impressed with myself at all...which led to a curious humility combined with a belief in my own powers of seduction, ie "I'm nothing to look at, but I can probably get you to look twice."

That actually became a kind of experimental testing grounds for me. Not consciously to play a game, and with no harmful intent, but just to figure out what I was, or what attraction itself was (ie what are the mechanics of attraction? Sag always wants to know the bookish explanations, the philosophy.) So I guess I was behaving with seduction on my mind a good portion of the time, never ever being obvious about it (which some may say, is the soul of seduction, to be mysterious)...but studying how men reacted to me, and at what point did they switch over from seeing me as a very average girl, to someone worth pursuing? What flicked that switch?

I wouldn't know how to explain how I got better and faster at flicking the switch, except my intuitive reflexes got sharper.

A bit like DopGang described..my Venus-Neptune being similar to his 12H Venus...which strives for a kind of Piscean omniscence I suppose. Only in my case, nothing was ever really conscious. I wouldn't even let my mind get into the process as I didn't trust it with the reins.

It was just being fully in the moment, open to another person, with my raw and honest reactions, creating some kind of bond.

I don't really do this the same way anymore...well, not so much with men, I have learned to be more guarded. And I've shut down the "seduction" undertones for the most part, or so I think, especially in person.

posted August 23, 2015 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
You're straight out of the chapter of "how to spot a troll".

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LOL...Nine is always making those kinds of remarks.

Pisces picks up more than other signs and looks for confirmation. So I can see why they liken this to stalking. If a Pisces *feels* that her boyfriend is at her friend's house and they are making out, the Pisces will actually drive there because chances are, she's right.

They call it stalking.

posted August 23, 2015 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
^^^ excellent!
I'm extremely similar and have been similar in my path to discovery of my ability to attract.

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posted August 23, 2015 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Venus Virgo, 12th house.

I observe and observe some more! I interact and socialize with them very casually. In doing so I VERY carefully observe every minute detail of their body language, eyes, tone of voice, and general reactions. Do they laugh at my stupid jokes? Do they seem fully engaged when I'm speaking? What are their responses? Do they make eye contact? The eye shape, pupil dilation, a slight glazed look, etc. What part of my face are they looking, if they are, and are they looking deeply, almost imagining doing something, or lip reading because they can't hear me? Do they seem relaxed, etc etc. I mean it's like a million little, subtle details that I continuously observe. If it's someone I come across often such as at work I would talk with them on a regular basis in order to get a bigger picture of it. Were they just being friendly/flirty as a Libra would or how do they behave after I've been around them for a while and get them more comfortable? I've spent anywhere from days to months going through this process. LOL

Just TONS of observation, looking at clues.
I have some rather social, extroverted signs placements to help me out. They help hide what's really going on.

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posted August 23, 2015 05:58 AM            

When I like someone, I start to indulge in fantasies, with said person as the main character. It is easy to get lost in fantasies, however - courtesy of venus-neptune conjunction. And I have to keep my head clear if I don't want to fall into the route of loving the idealized version of the person, not the person himself. Venus-saturn conjunction helps somewhat. It grounds me and it's the voice that tells me to go ahead and turn my dreams into reality. Also, it reminds me of stuff like finding out if the person is single (I do not hit on attached people)..etc..

Unlike what some descriptions of 12th house venus suggest, I don't hold back or hide my feelings. My affection is out there for all to see, I don't do subtlety. I become a giddy, hyper hot mess. If they give me the green light, then the seduction game begins.

posted August 23, 2015 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Venus Virgo, 12th house.

I observe and observe some more! I interact and socialize with them very casually. In doing so I VERY carefully observe every minute detail of their body language, eyes, tone of voice, and general reactions. Do they laugh at my stupid jokes? Do they seem fully engaged when I'm speaking? What are their responses? Do they make eye contact? The eye shape, pupil dilation, a slight glazed look, etc. What part of my face are they looking, if they are, and are they looking deeply, almost imagining doing something, or lip reading because they can't hear me? Do they seem relaxed, etc etc. I mean it's like a million little, subtle details that I continuously observe. If it's someone I come across often such as at work I would talk with them on a regular basis in order to get a bigger picture of it. Were they just being friendly/flirty as a Libra would or how do they behave after I've been around them for a while and get them more comfortable? I've spent anywhere from days to months going through this process. LOL

Just TONS of observation, looking at clues.
I have some rather social, extroverted signs placements to help me out. They help hide what's really going on.

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I like your MO, DG.
An undercover James Bond hehehe

Venus in Virgo 8th

I am shy and secretive too, when I begin to fall in love, and I need a lot of encouragement to open up. When I do, things get...much better

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 23, 2015 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Thank you Faith.
Glad you understand!

I somewhat regret posting on this thread. To me it's confirmation of the 12th being misunderstood. It's meant to stay hidden because few truly get it and therefore gets misinterpreted. I think I'll use more caution about what I share around here. Particularly when it comes to my mars and Venus. It's uncomfortable anyway.

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I think it's great what you do, because you observe the person to know them better, it shows you take things seriously and that you want to know someone as they are, not just looks, and also to make sure, as it is possible, they are suitable for you.

I do the same, I observe people a lot in the initial stage, especially since I have a Venus sq Neptune and I need to guard myself from the tendency to see people more beautiful than they actually are.

Nothing to do with stalking, really, I don't know where that came from, but with making sure the person as a whole is what you like and want, it's typical for Virgos to be very observant and to want to see beyond the surface of things.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 23, 2015 06:32 AM            

Sextile Moon
Biquintile Jupiter exact
Sequis Saturn exact
Opposition Neptune
Trine Pluto
Sextile Lilith

etc...

Sometimes I feel I care too much and I am very protective of the people and things I care about. I also always give my all to everyone and everything I love. Yup, I am very intense.

posted August 23, 2015 07:45 AM            

I'm impatient when I like someone. I recently started hanging out with someone a lot. We weren't "dating" yet but we spent a lot of time together. It was killing me that he hadn't kissed me yet, so I kissed him first! He said he was planning to have kissed me a few nights later when we were going to watch a meteor shower. That probably would have been more romantic lol.

posted August 23, 2015 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
Does your Venus help or hinder you when you like someone? How do you act when you're into someone? And what is your Venus sign/position?

I am shy when I like someone, and it's really annoying because it's often interpreted as lack of interest. My Venus is in Virgo in the 8th house.

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Venus in Taurus/11th
It helps me because I'm very calm, relaxed and patient. It takes me a long time to warm up to someone. All my relationships have started out as friendships.
When I'm sure I'm romantically into someone, which is usually years into knowing them... I show them physically, through body language, touch etc I'm very physical/non-verbal in displaying my affection and attraction. I've never started liking someone out of the blue. I don't really notice people in a romantic sense, since I'm demisexual, so they kind of pop up on my radar once they show interest in some way. If the feeling ends up being mutual, I'm very expressive and warm.

posted August 23, 2015 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
LOL...Nine is always making those kinds of remarks.

Pisces picks up more than other signs and looks for confirmation. So I can see why they liken this to stalking. If a Pisces *feels* that her boyfriend is at her friend's house and they are making out, the Pisces will actually drive there because chances are, she's right.

They call it stalking.

To me, it's just confirming.

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posted August 23, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Venus in Taurus/11th
It helps me because I'm very calm, relaxed and patient. It takes me a long time to warm up to someone. All my relationships have started out as friendships.
When I'm sure I'm romantically into someone, which is usually years into knowing them... I show them physically, through body language, touch etc I'm very physical/non-verbal in displaying my affection and attraction. I've never started liking someone out of the blue. I don't really notice people in a romantic sense, since I'm demisexual, so they kind of pop up on my radar once they show interest in some way. If the feeling ends up being mutual, I'm very expressive and warm.

I think my Mercury (Pisces) hinders me more on a romantic level, because I'm sometimes (unintentionally) evasive in my communications. Some people take this the wrong way :/

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