posted August 25, 2015 02:15 PM            

Uranus help: transits by or to (natal) Uranus. Longer lasting and has a tendency to open things up from 'out of the blue.'

Pluto help: these transits are the longest lasting and when to natal Jupiter or if Jupiter's return in any way also transits natal Pluto, you can see a big boost in opportunities related to access and application of resources (material and spiritual).

Neptune doesn't really help with 'luck' so much as help with the creative imagination and vision associated with creating beneficial outcomes in the plane of consciousness first that can later materialize. Not to be underestimated.

Be careful about any 'get rich quick' schemes, business propositions, etc, if Jupiter's return also transits your Neptune (hard aspects especially) or if Neptune makes hard transits to natal points simultaneous to the Jupiter return. Use Jupiter-Neptune combinations for envisioning mutually beneficial outcomes and wait for lines of action to reveal themselves. These times are not good for assessing risk accurately.

Remember the principle that Robert Hand outlines in his Jupiter section related to luck -- we only get as much out of the world as we put in. So if you go through so-called lucky transits and don't receive much benefit, it is time to invest more in others, the world at large.

posted August 25, 2015 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Maybe your Jupiter return activates a painful Yod or your dejanira..transits that oppose my dejanira are tough..I did mention several times that your natal placements will flavor the return early in the thread.

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Possibly.

Yet it is an expansive energy that might be just "too much" for people to handle with the conjunction, whether it be good or bad. My husbands mom died of breast cancer when he was 12 and his dad passed away when he was 23. Following his dad's death, he recieved a sizable inheritance (good with the bad) but he would still consider it the worst year of his life. Pivotal, but not lucky.

posted August 26, 2015 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'll add that some transits that can help boost the luck of opportunity, social/outward energy, etc, when simultaneous with the Jupiter return are ...

[b]Uranus help: transits by or to (natal) Uranus. Longer lasting and has a tendency to open things up from 'out of the blue.'

Pluto help: these transits are the longest lasting and when to natal Jupiter or if Jupiter's return in any way also transits natal Pluto, you can see a big boost in opportunities related to access and application of resources (material and spiritual).

Neptune doesn't really help with 'luck' so much as help with the creative imagination and vision associated with creating beneficial outcomes in the plane of consciousness first that can later materialize. Not to be underestimated.

Be careful about any 'get rich quick' schemes, business propositions, etc, if Jupiter's return also transits your Neptune (hard aspects especially) or if Neptune makes hard transits to natal points simultaneous to the Jupiter return. Use Jupiter-Neptune combinations for envisioning mutually beneficial outcomes and wait for lines of action to reveal themselves. These times are not good for assessing risk accurately.

Remember the principle that Robert Hand outlines in his Jupiter section related to luck -- we only get as much out of the world as we put in. So if you go through so-called lucky transits and don't receive much benefit, it is time to invest more in others, the world at large.

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posted August 26, 2015 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Maybe your Jupiter return activates a painful Yod or your dejanira..transits that oppose my dejanira are tough..I did mention several times that your natal placements will flavor the return early in the thread.

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Well it means that if natally your Jupiter is aflicted, you are just gonna be reminded of what a frivolous, careless person you are. So hardly the luckiest year for everyone.

I'm about to have mine soon. Very excited since my Jupiter is part of a yod but otherwise well placed. That said I'm much more excited with Saturn about to trine my moon. Jupiter opposite my Aqua stellium was bad. I just has absolutely no energy

posted August 26, 2015 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Possibly.

Yet it is an expansive energy that might be just "too much" for people to handle with the conjunction, whether it be good or bad. My husbands mom died of breast cancer when he was 12 and his dad passed away when he was 23. Following his dad's death, he recieved a sizable inheritance (good with the bad) but he would still consider it the worst year of his life. Pivotal, but not lucky.

I think you're on to something in terms of it being a "big" year, but definitely not the luckiest.

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I do like the angle you are bringing to it, yeah maybe its meant to be a "big" year and not necessarily lucky depending on aspects and a number of other variables.

It sounds like he has karma with Loss. My husband too lost his father around 12-13 and he has:

JUPITER conjunct Saturn (father)!
JUPITER sextile MARS-URANUS-DC in SCORPIO!
JUPITER square Neptune in the 8th!

I feel both of our husbands have karma with loss and until that karma is TRULY dealt with instead of pushed under the rug the Jupiter Returns will not come with the rewards they are meant to, they have to TRULY work on their personal growth and karma first to truly reap the benefits of future Jupiter Returns. Like for example on my husband's next Jupiter return he dropped out of college, he was around 23.5. If he truly worked out his loss karma, he would have not dropped out and would have ripped the rewards of Jupiter.

His jupiter conjuncts saturn though so his jupiter return and saturn return are happening together. That is why I feel you have to look at the natal aspects.

In my case jupiter has been kind to me, it rules my chart and conjuncts uranus, semisextiles saturn and inconjuncts juno, it also squares chiron which perhaps is why I focus so much on personal growth and my chiron is exalted in gemini in the 6th. This coupled with my resilience coming from Saturn conjunct Pluto I make the most of things and never give up and I too have experienced my share of pain belief me! is just in my case Jupiter is not the culprit.

I met my husband during my 2nd Jupiter return actually at 23.5 and we married; his jupiter and juno conjunct my sun. The relationship has been full of ups and downs but we have had epic times and cleared out a lot karma with each other as well.

posted August 26, 2015 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well it means that if natally your Jupiter is aflicted, you are just gonna be reminded of what a frivolous, careless person you are. So hardly the luckiest year for everyone.

I'm about to have mine soon. Very excited since my Jupiter is part of a yod but otherwise well placed. That said I'm much more excited with Saturn about to trine my moon. Jupiter opposite my Aqua stellium was bad. I just has absolutely no energy

The coming Jupiter transit will opposite transit Neptune though so ppl shouldn't get too excited

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I am looking forward to it, bring it on. I will work with neptune and use the law of attraction to my favor or grow spiritually, hard aspects lead to personal growth.

There hasn't been one transit in my life that I have not overcome and that has not made me stronger and wiser. I will not live in fear nor will I program myself to expect bad things but on the contrary I will use the power of hope, faith and love to guide me towards my journey and future. I will always be ok, I will always have everything I TRULY need.

posted August 26, 2015 03:56 AM            

12-13: My father was got sick to the point of near death. Family situation was hellish. He cheated death though. The whole experience sparked some sort of paternal instinct in him. So our relationship took a turn for the better.

24-25: My father got sick again. Couldn't escape death's claws this time. Before he passed away we had a heart-to-heart. That finally relieved issues that had always weighed heavily on my heart.

I had twins. Such a blessing, after numerous miscarriages.

My husband and I got thrown into yet another heart-wrenching situation. Heh, but we're going through it together. It makes our bond stronger.

posted August 26, 2015 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
In my natal chart, jupiter is retrograde and square pluto. I wonder if that's the reason why my jupiter returns were always a little effed up. Lucky, but in a very twisted way. It was as though whatever deity up there decided to play pranks on my little insignificant life.

12-13: My father was got sick to the point of near death. Family situation was hellish. He cheated death though. The whole experience sparked some sort of paternal instinct in him. So our relationship took a turn for the better.

24-25: My father got sick again. Couldn't escape death's claws this time. Before he passed away we had a heart-to-heart. That finally relieved issues that had always weighed heavily on my heart.

I had twins. Such a blessing, after numerous miscarriages.

My husband and I got thrown into yet another heart-wrenching situation. Heh, but we're going through it together. It makes our bond stronger.

Oh yeah, and money, from unexpected sources. My career swerved off track. But for the better. Artistic pursuits.

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posted August 28, 2015 12:41 AM            

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@hypatia238

I never thought of it that way before, but yes, it does seem like its playing out in a karmic way. I checked his Jupiter aspects and the hard one I noticed was Jupiter square Pluto. Definitely sounds like it is influencing those returns.

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posted August 28, 2015 02:39 PM            

Now, there is a problem with stating my Midheaven is in 11th House, because that should be impossible. When I first started using Whole Sign, I was confused, but regardless, both a career decision and a friendship was formed during my Jupiter Return even though it was a completely miserable year. I can't call this a "lucky" year. My luckiest year was last year so far, but I also have my second Jupiter Return coming up next week. I'm not sure if I want more friends or career progress to be honest. It's a difficult call.

posted August 28, 2015 06:21 PM            

But it was interesting...I had been unable to travel for a while due to various circumstances.

posted August 28, 2015 11:55 PM            

But you guys are providing feedback that makes me question the article so I have decided to look at my own Jupiter returns under closer scrutiny.

I actually met my husband a little over 2 months after my last jupiter return when JUPITER was approaching by 2 degrees my SOUTHNODE and squaring exact my natal mercury which rules my 7th house so I think me meeting him had less to do with my JUPITER return and more to do with my Transit JUPITER activating my SOUTHNODE.

I graduated about a year later with my Bachelor's degree and Jupiter was transiting my 1st house; It makes sense in that I was making my education a priority but it had nothing to do with the return, too far off.

I did marry him when Transit Jupiter hit my Juno.

I guess what I am saying is that Jupiter TRANSITS can be more telling than Jupiter RETURNS really!

So I hear you all, thanks for the feedback and honesty and sharing your thoughts and experiences with me.

posted August 28, 2015 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
Jupiter Returns don't last an entire year? Hm. I don't know why I assumed they did. Maybe it was the thread title. Then again, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Returns. I actually don't think much happens during mine. I've never had anything significant happen during a Return of any kind.

The only reason I started caring about my Jupiter Return this year is because I just happened to be curious if Returns actually do something. I don't mean to sound like Returns happen without effort, but I am curious why mine happen and I don't experience anything related to them. I don't experience a theme around the Return, just nothing. It's like Returns don't exist in my life.

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posted August 29, 2015 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
Jupiter Returns don't last an entire year? Hm. I don't know why I assumed they did. Maybe it was the thread title. Then again, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Returns. I actually don't think much happens during mine. I've never had anything significant happen during a Return of any kind.

The only reason I started caring about my Jupiter Return this year is because I just happened to be curious if Returns actually do something. I don't mean to sound like Returns happen without effort, but I am curious why mine happen and I don't experience anything related to them. I don't experience a theme around the Return, just nothing. It's like Returns don't exist in my life.

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Before Scorpio Saturn hits my descendent and barely enter the sign of Scorpio, I felt it right away. It wasn't my Saturn return but my angle is sensitive and very stressful. Can't say the same for Jupiter.

So I'm iffy about returns only happen at close to exact degrees but then astrologers disagree on this alone.

posted August 29, 2015 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Jupiter returns do not last entire year. Imo, your jupiter return is only potent when it approaches its natal place by 5 degrees or less. That's when it "returns" to its original natal place. All the other times it travels through the sign away from its original place by more than 5 degrees do not count, imo, as Jupiter return.

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posted August 29, 2015 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Before Scorpio Saturn hits my descendent and barely enter the sign of Scorpio, I felt it right away. It wasn't my Saturn return but my angle is sensitive and very stressful. Can't say the same for Jupiter.

So I'm iffy about returns only happen at close to exact degrees but then astrologers disagree on this alone.

Since my Jupiter is well-placed, my theory is that if you receive stressful aspects nasally to your planets, the return of these planets are gonna be more obvious,

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That makes a lot of sense actually and I think you are right on. My jupiter is well aspected too except for it squaring my Chiron and landing in the 12th house so my returns maybe are painful if anything. On my last return I felt very lonely.

However when Jupiter hit my southnode it also squared my Mercury near the MC so there you go, that transit was more obvious and I met someone that I got involved seriously with as mercury rules my 7th.

When Uranus hit my Moon which is natally part of a tsquare it had obvious manifestations and I felt it in me, I also felt it Big Time when Uranus opposed my Sun and when it approached my IC and passed through my IC. I see what you mean about transits approaching an angle for sure and about transits hitting natal planets that are part of hard natal aspects, the manifestations are definitely more obvious.

Transit Uranus was opposing my Sun near my MC when I moved from Miami to Colorado, I was dying to get out of Miami; every inch and cell in my body wanted to leave! LOL that was an obvious manifestation and I also felt it too inside of me the need for change and upheaval, I took great risks during that time.

posted August 29, 2015 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Yeah, Jupiter transits, when they're occurring, signify a lot of activity in those areas of my life. However, I also remembered own natal Jupiter is part of a yod in my chart that includes a sextile to my Moon/Mars in Gemini in 4th house and inconjunct my Uranus in 12th house, which might explain why I've always associated Jupiter with radical, unstable times of change in my life.

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posted August 29, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Shiet, so I have to figure it out when that was!

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Not that hard. You need 2 things. Your natal chart and an ephemeris.

Look at your natal for the position of Jupiter. Let's say it shows you have natal Jupiter at 20 degrees of Leo.

Look up an ephemeris, let's say you looked up 2015 ephemeris. You will notice that Jupiter travelled through Leo and hit 20 degrees twice. One hit was as it was going retro and the other as it was going direct. As it was approaching 5 degrees (that is any time it was entering 15 degrees direct or 25 degree going retro, you started feeling the effects.

posted August 29, 2015 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Not that hard. You need 2 things. Your natal chart and an ephemeris.

Look at your natal for the position of Jupiter. Let's say it shows you have natal Jupiter at 20 degrees of Leo.

Look up an ephemeris, let's say you looked up 2015 ephemeris. You will notice that Jupiter travelled through Leo and hit 20 degrees twice. One hit was as it was going retro and the other as it was going direct. As it was approaching 5 degrees (that is any time it was entering 15 degrees direct or 25 degree going retro, you started feeling the effects.

Hope that explains it. It's not that hard to check at all. With practice, you can do this in less than 1 minute.

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