posted September 03, 2015 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, how close is your cazimi, M?

The cazimi is a defining aspect in charts, imo.

The reason is not anyone's "fault". The charts give each person challenges and gifts.

The cazimi/close combust makes one very "close to oneself"

Each person is " close to himself" by the nature of being human.

Each person feels the world revolves around himself, by the nature of being human.

The cazimi/clos combust makes this much more intense.

Hence, the native finds this part of human nature to be much more entrenched, more of a fortress.

As I said, the person may or may not see it.

It is my opinion of this aspect from my work with charts.

I am one person with one opinion.

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As a side note, I'm beginning to see more clearly what you were saying about detachment being an issue for combustion. Each planet gives off it's own light and it's own energy. So if one energy is overpowering the other or one planet is outshining the other, then the effect of the lesser planet gets cancelled out.

posted September 03, 2015 01:48 PM            

Squished would be a more apt way of saying it, like melded like split pea soul, when it melts

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posted September 03, 2015 01:58 PM            

I'll picture the actual planets and Sun.
In space we can see planets and objects as the suns light reflects off of them. If a planet sits directly next to the sun, physically, it's then difficult to see that planet because the sun is literally blinding us.
Though astrology and astronomy are different, they're still very much related, obviously.

posted September 03, 2015 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Sun conjunct Jupiter (4 degrees) is combust or not?

And how would a combust Jupiter be like?
Too expansive...?! :-D

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This is super positive. You have a great vibe

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posted September 03, 2015 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]So if one energy is overpowering the other or one planet is outshining the other, then the effect of the lesser planet gets cancelled out.

Squished would be a more apt way of saying it, like melded like split pea soul, when it melts

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posted September 03, 2015 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Sometimes, right or wrong, I haven't decided which.

I'll picture the actual planets and Sun.
In space we can see planets and objects as the suns light reflects off of them. If a planet sits directly next to the sun, physically, it's then difficult to see that planet because the sun is literally blinding us.
Though astrology and astronomy are different, they're still very much related, obviously.

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posted September 03, 2015 04:14 PM            

It is prolly not this simple. You have to look at WHICH planets we have.

Some are very negative in combust imo

Some are not.

The degree of orb matters a great deal, too.

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posted September 03, 2015 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by meowpower:
I definitely agree with your concepts about the culture and the different methods they use for astrology.

But even then, to their culture (and many cultures) the Sun is represented as God/The King instead of the Self. So if a planet's energies were under the influence of God, wouldn't it function better than if it were controlled by the individual? Why wouldn't they put that planet on a pedestal instead of saying that it's going to bring misfortune?

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It makes sense when you think about it.

posted September 06, 2015 05:13 PM            

0-5 Degrees: Combust and Conjunction

The 0 degree point is the new seed energy and is best felt in the body by resonating with the exact moment of the New Moon. For a few seconds at the New Moon, all the galactic planes are completely open to the Earth plane. At the exact moment a new seed is born which will wax and wane during the lunar month. Attunement to that point will fuse consciousness completely with the lunar cycle. Therefore, any planet combust Chiron will manifest on a totally Chirotic level during the incarnation. The Sun combust Chiron would indicate that the native could not know him or herself except by alchemical interaction with environment. As the planets move away from combust through conjunction up to 5 or 6 degrees, the energies feel fused, but the planet pulling away is the leader which will teach by its energy the working of the conjunctive energies. In my experience, planets in combust cannot be separated in consciousness. The native needs to immerse perception in the fusion of the two energies. This native is critically open to the subtle planes through this combust. This point is like a “Window to the Sky” which is an acupuncture point which brings multidimensionality (into the body)4. Combust is less than one degree and was created in the natal chart to teach oneness. Conjunction indicates a need for the native to learn to sort out the energies, and special counseling is to be given on the energies individually so the native can find a method for perception of each one of the energies separately.

posted September 06, 2015 08:08 PM            

Part of the work of modern astrology has been to advance the idea that thinking in such absolutes is just outdated and often wrong. Some people need more Saturn, some need less Jupiter, some find a respite and peace in the 12th house instead of fear and suspicion, and some people are bored by trines and love some good square friction. The natal chart of a person should be more of a determining factor of what constitutes a "good" or "bad" aspect for that individual.

I know my personal experience is just anecdotal evidence, but the whole idea of combustion and cazimi has never played out in my experience.

-My Sun and Venus are conjunct 1°.
-My husband's Sun and Venus are "cazimi" conjunct by 12' of arc:
his Sun @ 14°33' Scorpio
his Venus @ 14°45' Scorpio

Neither one of our Sun-Venus conjunctions has ever acted or expressed itself in any way other than a plain old fashioned Sun-Venus conjunction.

I also am a stickler for consistency (Cap DC), so I can't accept any concept that can't be applied across all charts. I mean, we don't use these concepts in synastry or composite charts, so why the natal? We don't look at a close Sun-Venus or Sun-Moon conjunction in synastry and say, "Eww, that's too bad your Sun and Venus are so close. It's burning up. It would be better if you had a wider Sun-Venus conjunction." Same with a Sun-Moon synastry conjunction. We don't think a wider one is better so that the Sun doesn't "burn up" the Moon.

In Composite Charts or Davison Charts, which act as a natal for the relationship, we don't say that a wide Sun-Venus or Sun-Moon conjunction would be better than a close one. We think it's good to see a nice tight conjunction there.
Mine and my husband's Composite Chart has Sun, Moon, Venus, and Mercury all tightly conjunct from 0°-1°. Sun is the chart ruler and they are snug up against it and the energy has never been expressed any way but the typical way you'd expect a Sun-Moon-Venus-Mercury conjunction to express itself. Mars is a few degrees away, so it has a little breathing room.

posted September 06, 2015 09:54 PM            

But supposing that there actually is something to it, I can't help wondering about its influence on other aspects elsewhere in a person's chart.

For example: My natal Sun, Saturn, and Jupiter are all conjunct. They sit at 15°39"19', 13°11"08', and 19°38"02' Libra, respectively. I've always kind of thought of them as a sort of single super-entity.

posted September 07, 2015 03:41 AM            

I agree with you.

Curiously, if anything, I have seen the planet being conjunct the Sun MORE pronounced, like it is being literally set on fire and energized, but not disappearing.

A real life example would be me with Sun conjunct Mercury and a guy with Sun conjunct Moon (they are even at close degrees, so signbackground is the same, too).
I tend to act from a more intellectual perspective, trying to analyze things, while he is more prone to just act on pure instinct and very spontaneously, which made for a very bizarre first meeting, when I was trying to relate to him analytically and from my mind, and he was more relating to me in a sense of sensory perception I guess (he was sniffing my hair to figure out what fragrance I was wearing, when in fact Iwasn`t wearing any, but just having freshly showered, anything else was just me. lol)

posted September 09, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by meowpower:
[b] I definitely agree with your concepts about the culture and the different methods they use for astrology.

But even then, to their culture (and many cultures) the Sun is represented as God/The King instead of the Self. So if a planet's energies were under the influence of God, wouldn't it function better than if it were controlled by the individual? Why wouldn't they put that planet on a pedestal instead of saying that it's going to bring misfortune?

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It makes sense when you think about it.

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posted September 09, 2015 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
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To answer your question, I think it may have to do with simple metaphysical physics. The sun is FIRE at the mostest. if you are near fire, you will burn. Consequently, if you are conjunct the sun, you will burn, depending on how close you are, you can burn to a crisp or you can burn just a little.

It makes sense when you think about it.

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