posted September 15, 2015 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Zero degrees of what?

0 north or south declination is right on the celestial equator, as far from 'out of bounds' as you can get.

0-degrees of a sign -- it depends. What sign? The answer is 'no' if its any sign but the northernmost (Gem, Cancer) or the southernmost (Sagittarius, Cap).

Most importantly -- look up the planets declination position. That is what we're talking about, declination, not longitude (signs/zodiac).

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posted September 15, 2015 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Welcome VestasLight!! So glad you decided to join in!!

So what is the significance of the crossover?
Does the Sun exactly at 0 have important significance? Why is the Sun, like mine able to be at 21 declination while the guy I'm seeing has Sun at 0.08...what's the difference?

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Here is a good link to help you better understand declinations. Once you understand what it is, then you'll understand why it's significant if a planet is found in a rare position.

You can use them not only to see OOB's but also parallels and contraparallels.

http://www.astrologer.com/aanet/pub/journal/declination-for-beginners.htm

EDIT: I just re-read your post and I want to add this. The crossover and OOB give the planet extra significance, just like having a planet conjunct an angle in the natal chart gives it more significance.

Does this help?

posted September 15, 2015 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
This illustration might help people visualize what is happening.

To picture this more graphically look at this globe with the dotted red lines drawn where the Tropic of Cancer lies at 23°16′ North, and the Tropic of Capricorn lies at 23°16′ South. These are approximately the boundary lines of the ecliptic. Notice the path of the Sun peaks in July just over the Tropic of Cancer at 23°27′ North at the summer solstice (summer in the northern hemisphere), and the path of the Sun peaks in December just over the Tropic of Capricorn at 23°27′ South at the winter solstice.

This is declination. Sun and planets’ paths move in a wave form north and south of the equatorial midline. When they near this area of 23° north or south they are considered in extreme declination (where their movement north/south slows down). When they pass over the ecliptic (Sun’s path) north or south they are 'out of bounds.'

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That's a great pic! It really does demonstrate it well. :-)

posted September 15, 2015 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by VestasLight:
Here is a good link to help you better understand declinations. Once you understand what it is, then you'll understand why it's significant if a planet is found in a rare position.

You can use them not only to see OOB's but also parallels and contraparallels.

http://www.astrologer.com/aanet/pub/journal/declination-for-beginners.htm

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Thank you Vestaslight!! Great information....

posted September 15, 2015 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you Vestaslight!! Great information....

From your link....
"When the Sun is at zero degrees of declination it would be directly over the equator, the moment of equinox, when day and night are equal. When this occurs with the Sun heading north we begin our zodiac. Zero degrees of declination equates to zero degrees of Aries. And six months later zero degrees of declination equates to zero degrees of Libra when the Sun crosses back over the equator to start its journey south. Its farthest point south will be the winter solstice at zero degrees of Capricorn, when the Sun is at 23° 27´ south and overhead at the Tropic of Capricorn."

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Oh I'm so glad it was useful!

And now you can look for these in charts and go "ah ha!". It can help explain things that the natal alone doesn't. :-)

posted September 16, 2015 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I have 11H Gemini Mars out of bounds.

It's interesting because my Mars is a standout in many other ways:

1) It is exactly sextile Aries Jupiter, to the minute.
2) It's almost exactly quincunx my sun.
3) It's part of a t-square with my moon and Neptune.
4) It's the corner of a Pythagorean triangle with my sun and Pluto.
5) It's part of a mystic rectangle.
6) It's tightly conjunct my draconic Gemini Mercury.
7) My Huber House Mars is conjunct my tropical Mercury.
8) It's semi-square Saturn (sun's ruler.)
9) It's retrograde.
10) It's genetic: my mother had Mars out of bounds tightly quincunx her sun, too. Her draconic sun in Capricorn, draconic Mars in Gemini mirrors (and foreshadows!) my tropical placements. Also, for what it's worth, my draconic Mars is conjunct my daughter's Mars (conjunct my father's and sister's Mars, all within 3 degrees).

ETA: One more!

In my daughter's draconic chart, her name asteroid falls on my Mars, 0.03 orb.

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Wow, that is quiet something, Faith. So what do you notice about your mars. How do you experience it?

posted September 17, 2015 10:21 AM            

And my Cancer Mars (which is conj my Sun by 4 Deg) is at 23:28 N, so whether it's out of bounds is probably up for debate. My Mars is also the Apex of a yod involving Jupiter and Uranus-in my chart, those 2 planets both have a 0 Deg S declination.

posted September 27, 2015 02:10 PM            

Do OOB Mars people feel excessively driven?
... Driven in the way the principle of it's sign represents?

For instance, OOB Mars in Gemini may be excessively driven to acquire multiple skills exhausting one after another throughout life, excessively driven to mentally explore many ideas at the same time, excessively driven to bounce around socially looking for stimulus and change, excessively driven to complete short projects, etc. Can OOB Mars in Gemini become self-destructive in the way of nervousness, restlessness or more importantly impatience?

posted September 27, 2015 05:18 PM            

Thanks for saying that. I don't know anything about you, except for your posts! Are you a man or woman, old or young...and *what's your sign*?

I'm in Pennsylvania.

To answer your question~

posted September 30, 2015 12:51 AM            

I have out of bounds Venus ( gemini )... never knew!

I've heard anne ortelee talk about OOB- her theory explained / compared OOB planets to derek jeter hitting an amazing out of the park home run or foul ball that hits someone in the stands.

posted October 03, 2015 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi PlutoSurvivor!

Thanks for saying that. I don't know anything about you, except for your posts! Are you a man or woman, old or young...and *what's your sign*?

I'm in Pennsylvania.

To answer your question~

Yes, as you said, I have too many things going on at once. I'm not really satisfied unless I'm doing several things at once. But because my Mars is in the 11H, I socialize too much, and it interferes with my personal progress. I mean look at me here talking. It's excessive. I have a 6H sun, and my Virgo energy is not impressed, but Mars prevails.

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Yes, PA, female, and born 1 or two days before you so that puts me smack in the middle of Capricorn, but in a different year which technically could make me your mother

Mars, 11th house Gemini... How could one socialize too much? Haha.

posted January 04, 2018 06:49 PM            

Out of bounds means a planet's declination position is further north or south than the ecliptic (sun's path) goes: 23°27'. The further outside that the more significant. If your planet's position is 23°28' I would count that as out of bounds. The term is a bit misleading in my view, because it implies that the Sun's path is a boundary. Clearly it is not. Planets wander out there all the time, especially the Moon -- and it does not make for extremists or persons without 'boundaries.'

To have an OOB planet (or Moon) indicates you are capable of operating more out of the box or on your own instincts with those energies than is typical. That's it. There's no big secret, nothing dramatic about it. Newbies to declinations usually overdramatize OOB, because it's the only thing they know about declinations.

With Venus OOB, your Venusian instincts have more of a push behind them than is usual for the more passive Venus energies. You'll go further in some ways for relationships.

With Jupiter and Moon, it depends on if those are in parallel or contra-parallel aspect. It must also be interpreted according to sign. I have Moon in Capricorn at 27° south, and my ability to process my own emotions, contain them, submerge them, deal with 'reality' at an emotional level, etc, is quite pronounced. Very patient. If Moon were added to such a situation, then the theme becomes more expansive and outward-expressing, depending on the sign involved.

Look at the whole picture. OOB is just one little slice.