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VestasLight
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posted September 14, 2015 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would LOVE to hear anyone's personal experience with their out of bound planets. It's really hard to find info on this but I have done quite a bit of digging. I feel that it is extremely significant in a natal chart.

I have two...

Mercury - It makes for very original thinking, but I also find I can get stuck or locked into my mind - the thinking just won't stop. It's like a blessing and a curse.

Moon (most common for people to have) - It's a super roller coaster ride. I feel super sensitive and if I am afflicted emotionally, it affects every other aspect of my life. While its beautiful to have a sensitive heart, there is such a thing as "too much" of a good thing. Moon OOB is definitely one of them.

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TO CHECK FOR OUT OF BOUND PLANETS...
1. go to astro.com and bring up your natal chart
2. click the "additional tables PDF" link on the left
3. Look at the Declination column
4. Anything at 0 degrees or above 23 degrees 27 minutes either North or South of the equator.

EG. It reads like this on the pdf:
Planet | Longitude | house Speed | Latitude | Declination
Moon | 19° 7' 8" | 6 | 14°19'20" | 3°38'56" S | 25°41'36" S

It is not the degrees in your natal chart. It is the DECLINATION column on the addition chart table. (not the latitude or speed columns either)
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What's your experience of your OOB planet?

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CupOfDavid
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posted September 14, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CupOfDavid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! My Moon and Uranus are out of bounds.

I'm gonna have to read up on this before I can comment further.

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posted September 14, 2015 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for this. I have the Sun at Gemini 28.

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posted September 14, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Thanks so much for this. I have the Sun at Gemini 28

Hi Ami,

The sun can't have a declination beyond 23 degrees 27 minutes therefore cannot be out of bounds.

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posted September 14, 2015 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury at 27 degrees..

And Jupiter at 28

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posted September 14, 2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Moon,Uranus and Eros.
http://www.forrestastrology.com/resources/articles/general-astrology/215-the-ou t-of-bounds-moon
http://falconastrology.com/oob.html

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Gabby
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posted September 14, 2015 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My virgo Moon 0.10
My gemini Mars 25.27

My Moon is unaspected and in 12th house...already super sensitive moon

My Mars is virtually unaspected only a 5 degree, seperating, out of sign trine to Uranus...in 9th house.

The guy I'm trying to work things out with, no wonder he is so overly sensitive!!
His-
Pisces Moon 0.32
Libra Merc 0.26
Saggy Jupiter 23.27

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posted September 14, 2015 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My question is....if you have a Sun/Moon conjunction in synastry but the moon person is out of bounds is the conjunction going to be felt a lot less than if the moon was inbounds?

What about all conjunctions in comp or synastry....
If one planet is inbounds and the other out of bounds technically they are not as close as they appear...in degrees along the eleptical(the suns consistent course)
They are close in degrees but an out of bounds Northern Hemisphere planet is way far above the Suns course and out of bounds Southern Hemisphere is way far below the eleptical course of the Sun...so technically they are not as close as you think.

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posted September 14, 2015 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Venus is in my only planet out of bounds at 0*16'37". What would this signify?

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posted September 14, 2015 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury 24 South. I relate to your description, its gotten me into trouble many times..

Sun is hovering up there at 23 South.. Lol

Are asteroids counted?

Ceres at 23.27 North
Pallas at 30 South
Eros at 27 South

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posted September 14, 2015 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can Nessus be an out of bounds planet?

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posted September 14, 2015 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, woah, my Ceres is WAY out of bounds at 31*47'20",

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 14, 2015 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In order to understand 'out of bounds' you need to first study declinations generally. Otherwise too much is made of such discoveries. They are too easily seen in black-and-white terms out of their proper context, and personal subjective experiences are mis-attributed too easily to them.

The Sun at the end of Gem or Sag, or at the beginning of Cancer or Cap is right on the ecliptic's far reach. Sun can never be out of bounds as its path draws the line of 'boundary.'

I agree with Alice Portman's assessment, "In my opinion planets that are out of bounds describe the ability to function outside of the box." That is all 'out of bounds' planets are. They are not indicators of extremism, or of dysfunction, or of persons who violate others' boundaries.

I was born when Moon was at 12 Capricorn/27S12. Far south declination indicates a private/personally directed Moon polarity, as the southern Moon positions indicate (negative polarity). If just barely over the ecliptic, it doesn't make much difference, but when farther, say 25-28* it can give a default position in which one colors truly outside the lines. In the southernmost positions the Moon triggers deeper personal intuitive guidance or more personal agendas. In the northernmost positions, the positive polarity of north is more energizing or out-putting, involved more emotionally in what is 'out there' in society.

My Moon in Cap at 27 south indicates the ability, even the spiritual directive, to go it alone if necessary to order my own habituations, moods, emotional pattern and soul priorities. I have done this. I have lived outside the belief box of my own family for most of my life. I also think and process in a highly independent fashion. -- But it is not a perpetual limiting condition.

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Mercury at 27 degrees..

And Jupiter at 28


Those are longitude positions. The question of whether a planet is out of bounds is a question of its declination position.

The only planet 'out of bounds' in your chart is Uranus at 23S37, also marked as -23*37' (north is marked +).

Jupiter's maximum declination north or south is normally a bit over 23*, and only rarely passes over the ecliptic and only just by a bit.

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
Can Nessus be an out of bounds planet?

No, because it is not a planet.

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Originally posted by magpie:
My Venus is in my only planet out of bounds at 0*16'37". What would this signify?

If you are referring to its declination position north or south of the celestial equator, that is not 'out of bounds.' If you are referring to its sign position, look at the sign. If Venus is not in Gemini, Cancer, Sag, or Cap, then it is almost certainly not out of bounds.

Asteroids past 23*27' are beside the point. Many of these stay way out there for very long periods of time, so there is no personal meaning to that, just as there is no personal meaning to a planet (like Neptune, Pluto) that stayed in a sign for many years. That gives a general meaning, which only becomes personal when aspects and dwads are taken into account.

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posted September 15, 2015 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus is out of bounds at 27° 0'32" S
Mars is out of bounds at 24°40' 7" S

They form a conjunction, with asteroid Lust between then, which is also out of bounds at 32°48'20" S

This conjunction does not have any major aspects to it, and with the OOB nature, I think it has really colored and influenced my life- defined in terms of Venusian and Martian themes.

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My Moon is.. at 27'50

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posted September 15, 2015 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello VestasLight! Welcome to LL

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posted September 15, 2015 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So are 0's out of bounds or not?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 15, 2015 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
So are 0's out of bounds or not?

Zero degrees of what?

0 north or south declination is right on the celestial equator, as far from 'out of bounds' as you can get.

0-degrees of a sign -- it depends. What sign? The answer is 'no' if its any sign but the northernmost (Gem, Cancer) or the southernmost (Sagittarius, Cap).

Most importantly -- look up the planets declination position. That is what we're talking about, declination, not longitude (signs/zodiac).

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posted September 15, 2015 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 15, 2015 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus, Saturn, and Neptune.

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VestasLight
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posted September 15, 2015 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
So are 0's out of bounds or not?

Hi Gabby, while O degrees declination is not an OOB, it is called a crossover. It's when a planet is crossing over the equator. These too have special significance.

I added crossovers to the list because they, like OOB planets are quite special in charts. :-)

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posted September 15, 2015 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello VestasLight! Welcome to LL

Thanks lalalinda! Happy to finally start posting. I've lurked around on here for a LOOOONG time but thought I should finally start posting, lol.

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posted September 15, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
In order to understand 'out of bounds' you need to first study declinations generally. Otherwise too much is made of such discoveries. They are too easily seen in black-and-white terms out of their proper context, and personal subjective experiences are mis-attributed too easily to them.

The Sun at the end of Gem or Sag, or at the beginning of Cancer or Cap is right on the ecliptic's far reach. Sun can never be out of bounds as its path draws the line of 'boundary.'

I agree with Alice Portman's assessment, [b]"In my opinion planets that are out of bounds describe the ability to function outside of the box." That is all 'out of bounds' planets are. They are not indicators of extremism, or of dysfunction, or of persons who violate others' boundaries.

I was born when Moon was at 12 Capricorn/27S12. Far south declination indicates a private/personally directed Moon polarity, as the southern Moon positions indicate (negative polarity). If just barely over the ecliptic, it doesn't make much difference, but when farther, say 25-28* it can give a default position in which one colors truly outside the lines. In the southernmost positions the Moon triggers deeper personal intuitive guidance or more personal agendas. In the northernmost positions, the positive polarity of north is more energizing or out-putting, involved more emotionally in what is 'out there' in society.

My Moon in Cap at 27 south indicates the ability, even the spiritual directive, to go it alone if necessary to order my own habituations, moods, emotional pattern and soul priorities. I have done this. I have lived outside the belief box of my own family for most of my life. I also think and process in a highly independent fashion. -- But it is not a perpetual limiting condition.

If you are referring to its declination position north or south of the celestial equator, that is not 'out of bounds.' If you are referring to its sign position, look at the sign. If Venus is not in Gemini, Cancer, Sag, or Cap, then it is almost certainly not out of bounds.

Asteroids past 23*27' are beside the point. Many of these stay way out there for very long periods of time, so there is no personal meaning to that, just as there is no personal meaning to a planet (like Neptune, Pluto) that stayed in a sign for many years. That gives a general meaning, which only becomes personal when aspects and dwads are taken into account.


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Thanks for the addition Kannon!

I do agree with Alice Portman's take too. I just feel that there is more to OOB's than just being able to function outside the box. But I certainly agree that it doesn't make for anything negative.

I agree asteroids don't count here, just planets.

And yes, 0 degrees declination is not an OOB,it is a crossover planet. But they are just as rare and important as OOB's. I added them here for fun. I really want to hear what people have to say about their own OOB's and crossovers. It's helps us all to understand them better. :-)

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posted September 15, 2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This illustration might help people visualize what is happening.

To picture this more graphically look at this globe with the dotted red lines drawn where the Tropic of Cancer lies at 23°16′ North, and the Tropic of Capricorn lies at 23°16′ South. These are approximately the boundary lines of the ecliptic. Notice the path of the Sun peaks in July just over the Tropic of Cancer at 23°27′ North at the summer solstice (summer in the northern hemisphere), and the path of the Sun peaks in December just over the Tropic of Capricorn at 23°27′ South at the winter solstice.

This is declination. Sun and planets’ paths move in a wave form north and south of the equatorial midline. When they near this area of 23° north or south they are considered in extreme declination (where their movement north/south slows down). When they pass over the ecliptic (Sun’s path) north or south they are 'out of bounds.'

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posted September 15, 2015 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VestasLight:
Hi Gabby, while O degrees declination is not an OOB, it is called a crossover. It's when a planet is crossing over the equator. These too have special significance.

I added crossovers to the list because they, like OOB planets are quite special in charts. :-)


Welcome VestasLight!! So glad you decided to join in!!

So what is the significance of the crossover?
Does the Sun exactly at 0 have important significance? Why is the Sun, like mine able to be at 21 declination while the guy I'm seeing has Sun at 0.08...what's the difference?

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