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Topic: What is the logic behind Tarot?
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theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted September 14, 2015 03:52 PM
So, I am a heavy earth-air person. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around how pulling cards out works? Astrology seems to have clear logic to it, or clearer to me.If anyone is willing to educate me, that'd be great. Googling doesn't seem to clarify much IP: Logged |
SDragon Moderator Posts: 527 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 14, 2015 04:07 PM
I m not a tarot reader by any means but I have had tarot readings and they were pretty accurate. The way I would try to understand it is to first see if you accept the belief that everything is connected. In quantum physics, there's an experiment called entanglement that proves particles are not just connected but can influence other particles over infinite space. I would then compare tarot cards like the coins in I Ching. They're tools that we use to get insight into the interconnected ness of every particle in the universe whether we're aware of it or not. Most of our concerns are related to personal concerns and most likely we couldn't just tap into universal consciousness and understanding without having 'earned' that knowledge per se. Anyways, not to detract, hope that helps. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 782 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted September 14, 2015 04:38 PM
My take, so far as it goes...It's a tool to access your intuition and subconscious through means other than words. We receive information on many levels, and not all of them are accessible through conscious internal dialogue. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10366 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted September 14, 2015 06:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini Blues: My take, so far as it goes...It's a tool to access your intuition and subconscious through means other than words. We receive information on many levels, and not all of them are accessible through conscious internal dialogue.
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7024 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 14, 2015 07:24 PM
It seems to be a type of evoked synchronicity (or "entanglement" as one pointed out earlier). Btw, the tarot are connected to astrology but I forget the correspondences. I was able to find this, though: http://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-astrology-golden-dawn/ As for me, I've tried the tarot. Not only was it not that interesting to me but I had a very bad experience (though it seemed to work, in fact my mentor who tried to get me more familiar with the cards said I really should develop my "gift" after what he saw) so I personally stay away from them. But I do think they're valid. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted September 14, 2015 07:57 PM
i dont doubt the effectiveness. Two people have read cards for me before and they were pretty accurate. Except I still can't wrap my mind around it ...Maybe I'm too linear in my thinking. How can you just pull cards from a deck and decide? How can all the cards consist of all the messages in the universe? IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7024 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 14, 2015 08:34 PM
I'll try to give an explanation when I have more time. In the meantime, what do you know of synchronicity and entanglement?IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 782 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted September 14, 2015 08:38 PM
As I've said elsewhere, I was a voice major in college. As such, I was required to take piano... which I was miserable at... One of the problems I had was that my left hand kept wanting to do the same thing my right was doing. I was so left brain dominate that my brain didn't want to give up the control of the left hand, even though it didn't do it well.Logic. Words. Math. Examining the part instead of the whole. The leaf instead of the forest. Left brain. Right brain understands the pictures, the symbols, the interconnectedness, the forest. That's part of what Tarot accesses. Your left brain is fighting for control. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 758 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted September 14, 2015 08:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini Blues: My take, so far as it goes...It's a tool to access your intuition and subconscious through means other than words. We receive information on many levels, and not all of them are accessible through conscious internal dialogue.
How can it be the subconscious when you receive info about things you are completely unaware of?! E.g you're going to meet someone who has these particular characteristics that you haven't previously thought of or manifested? I don't get it. IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 782 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted September 14, 2015 08:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: How can it be the subconscious when you receive info about things you are completely unaware of?! E.g you're going to meet someone who has these particular characteristics that you haven't previously thought of or manifested? I don't get it.
Thousands of years ago, mankind lived by knowing all kinds of things they didn't have logical knowledge of. Where food would be, or what the weather was changing to, or where to avoid a threat. Those gifts are still in our genitic code. We just don't rely on them like we used to because we developed other parts of our brains. Edit: There is another side of the coin. Wishcraft and the self fulfilling prophecy. These must be guarded against when dealing with Tarot (and to some extent astrology as well. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 5065 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted September 14, 2015 09:11 PM
It's numerology.. math. It's why they are numbered. Numbers are everywhere and they mean something. 1 Magician Father 2 High Priestess Mother 3 Empress Holy Spirit 4 Emperor Will 5 Hierophant Intelligence 6 Lovers Beauty 7 Chariot The Father 8 Justice The Mother 9 Hermit Love 10 Wheel 10 = 1 Necessity (it means things change drastically. 11 = 2 Strength Liberty 12 = 3 Hanged Man Charity 13 = 4 Death Universal Transforming Principle 14 = 5 Temperance Involution 15 = 6 Devil Fate 16 = 7 Tower Destruction 17 = 8 Star Immortality 18 = 9 Moon Chaos 19 = 10 = 1 The Sun The Elements 20 = 2 Judgment Innate Motion 21 = 3 0 Motion of Relative Duration IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 782 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted September 14, 2015 09:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: It's numerology.. math. It's why they are numbered. Numbers are everywhere and they mean something.
I agree. But the subconscious deals with numbers and assigns value to numbers differently that the logical conscious part of the brain. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 5065 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted September 14, 2015 09:27 PM
The numbers 1 2 3 Represent Male, Female, and their offspring. And that offspring will go on to make more offspring.. Hence the infinity relation..
1 2 and 3 represents the Mind, Heart, and God of an individual.. Mind is Magician Heart is High Priestess Offspring is Empress IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 5065 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted September 14, 2015 09:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gemini Blues: I agree. But the subconscious deals with numbers and assigns value to numbers differently that the logical conscious part of the brain.
The logical part of the brain is obsolete unless its conscious of truth. Because many people can say the sun will not rise everyday but it still will.
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Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 782 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted September 14, 2015 10:07 PM
I will step aside now. In no way should anyone take my understanding as the only view. I simply wanted to share what experience I have gathered.IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted September 14, 2015 10:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: I'll try to give an explanation when I have more time. In the meantime, what do you know of synchronicity and entanglement?
Tbh I just have a vague idea that it's what drives two people to be at certain place at certain time... Educate me, please! IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 4505 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2015 01:39 AM
I think it comes down to interpretation/insight and general knowledge of the correlation between the card and the sign or element. http://www.sunnyray.org/Tarots-four-elements.htm Earth...Pentacles Air...Swords Water...Cups Fire...Wands athenegoddess IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7024 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 15, 2015 02:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: Tbh I just have a vague idea that it's what drives two people to be at certain place at certain time... Educate me, please!
I'll get back to this. I've just gone through the internet looking at all sorts of famous people and my brain feels fried and my computer is humming loudly meaning I must've picked up a lot of nuisances so I'm gonna reboot soon (and maybe just go to bed). In the meantime...synchronicity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity In short, "Meaningful coincidences" in which two events seem completely unrelated and yet give a feeling of awe that it happened (interesting paranormal stories about this, including my own, but I'm too brain fried to share right now). I'd say the tarot is based on such "meaningful coincidences." Entanglement: http://www.popsci.com/race-prove-spooky-quantum-connection-may-have-winner That is perhaps the simplest understood article on it. Btw, it's amazing just how the quantum level of reality and paranormal manifestations (including UFOs) work so similarly! IP: Logged |
florence Knowflake Posts: 1088 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 15, 2015 05:32 AM
What if life is just a dream... Synchronicities are what happen when you lose the cause and effect basis of understanding reality (which is limited) and in that case imagery and emotion becomes meaning. So then using a system of imagery, that appeals to emotional/intuitive thinking seems more logical. IP: Logged |
Swanlake Knowflake Posts: 186 From: Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 15, 2015 07:25 AM
BEST answers so far (even though not my question..) But if my son was asking, who similar to theunknown,was earth/air... PRIZE would go to 1) S Dragon 2) Gemini Blues( Pixie Jane- your answers are always far too verbally rambling..Meandering everywhere so it's hard to get your point!) IP: Logged |
Swanlake Knowflake Posts: 186 From: Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 15, 2015 07:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Swanlake: BEST answers so far (even though not my question..) But if my son was asking, who similar to theunknown,was earth/air... PRIZE would go to 1) S Dragon 2) Gemini Blues( Pixie Jane- Frankly, your answers are ALWAYS far too verbally rambling..meandering EVERYWHERE so it's hard to get your point!)
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Swanlake Knowflake Posts: 186 From: Registered: Aug 2014
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posted September 15, 2015 07:50 AM
(Oh dear How the Hell did my post double??) ANYWAY, Dear Pixie Jane..(SORRY to interrupt post) P.J. Did anyone ever teach you about CONCISE use of Language? So as to communicate your ideas precisely? Without MEANDERING in a sea of words/confusion..that makes the reader get lost?? P.S.I am a Language Critic, just wanting to help you (or others) ..(Gladly willing to help, -just ASK) IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 13080 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 15, 2015 08:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Swanlake: (Oh dear How the Hell did my post double??) ANYWAY, Dear Pixie Jane..(SORRY to interrupt post) P.J. Did anyone ever teach you about CONCISE use of Language? So as to communicate your ideas precisely? Without MEANDERING in a sea of words/confusion..that makes the reader get lost?? P.S.I am a Language Critic, just wanting to help you (or others) ..(Gladly willing to help, -just ASK)
Hilarious. Are you offering lessons in erroneous capitalization and punctuation as well? And will you teach redundancy once or twice? IP: Logged |
florence Knowflake Posts: 1088 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 15, 2015 08:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Swanlake: (Oh dear How the Hell did my post double??) ANYWAY, Dear Pixie Jane..(SORRY to interrupt post) P.J. Did anyone ever teach you about CONCISE use of Language? So as to communicate your ideas precisely? Without MEANDERING in a sea of words/confusion..that makes the reader get lost?? P.S.I am a Language Critic, just wanting to help you (or others) ..(Gladly willing to help, -just ASK)
Did anyone ever teach you how to scan text, use syntax and about inferior forms of emphases i.e block capitals? IP: Logged |
florence Knowflake Posts: 1088 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted September 15, 2015 09:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Hilarious. Are you offering lessons in erroneous capitalization and punctuation as well? And will you teach redundancy once or twice?
Ah, I took too long. Lol. Checking for mistakes I might be making and possibly have. IP: Logged |