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Topic: Do we choose our natal chart?
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Queen Salome
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From: Sirius
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted September 26, 2015 03:38 PM
  
Do you really believe that we choose our natal chart? Why would someone choose to be weak and unable to achieve its karmic goal?IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted September 26, 2015 04:48 PM
I believe we do chose our charts.
I think we know our capabilities and force ourselves to search for our abilities.
We give ourselves everything we need to overcome the most karma in these unique lifetimes.
Sometimes we must grow some in order to find our strengths....and it's those strengths or our gifts that must be uncovered that will give us the ability to overcome anything life throws at us. Give it time you will find these strengths! IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted September 26, 2015 05:20 PM
Yes we do choose, we do this so that we can evolve. quote:
Why would someone choose to be weak and unable to achieve its karmic goal?...Queen Salome
You're making up for lost time. The whole point in reincarnation is worthiness and perfection. With each incarnation you learn the mysteries (lessons) of a particular sign. You perfect these lessons and then you evolve to the next level. When we choose a particularly difficult incarnation, it's because we failed at some point previously.
We now have additional lessons (that we previously failed) to master in order to excel/evolve.
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NYCdodger
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posted September 26, 2015 05:27 PM
Yes we do. In many different ways we choose different placements to experience.I DONT believe that we choose the signs in "order", but we choose whatever we need to experience that we know will help us evolve. I believe our houses/angles shows our Soul's growth more than the planets do imo.. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 26, 2015 06:25 PM
I'm not sure "choose" is the right word here, but neither is its opposite.I really wish I could get my dad's chart and it's unfortunate his family is so rejecting of me along with a bit of superstitious dread. I think if I could get his chart to work with mine and Mom's that I'd find something illuminating there. That aside:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004879.html NOTE: that's only if you want to ponder the topic. I know a lot of people ask the question, but they're not actually asking the right question (that is, what they really want to know or for what they really need). IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted September 26, 2015 06:33 PM
I agree with you NYC Dodger that lessons learned are not in order. 20 universal laws http://www.one-mind-one-energy.com/20-universal-laws.html
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Kannon McAfee
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From: Portland, OR - USA
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posted September 26, 2015 10:31 PM
I think at least some souls consciously choose it, but we all do in the sense that jumping back into this dimension inherently means consenting to astrological influence.The only way someone would choose to be 'weak' is if they need to experience this for the rounding out of their soul, for soul growth that needs to learn more compassion. No one chooses a birth chart that prevents fulfillment of purpose or happiness, because no such astrological condition exists. This notion comes from your ideational overlay about such astrological factors. ------------------
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Gemini30
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From: Los Angeles
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posted September 26, 2015 10:44 PM
Funny, I dont ever remember choosing this chart/life! IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 26, 2015 10:44 PM
I don't think choose is the right word. I don't believe a soul would choose to be weak. As in knowing exactly what certain placements mean and consciously choosing to play them out.Much like a game of cards where you know the rules but not what hand you'd be dealt. I believe souls choose to incarnate, but are blind as to what chart they will get. From here they play it out. I also believe certain themes, not specifics, may be sought out.
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Comatoes
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posted September 26, 2015 11:39 PM
I think a lot of processes go into each soul's decision to reincarnate onto Earth. I personally don't think a human can finish all they need to learn in one life time. It takes multiple trips to various places to keep the soul on its path. I don't know about the use of "weak" to describe a person's life path. We all can't have fame, money, love etc. doesn't mean you didn't have these things or will have them in another life. Sometimes a life will be more "door-mat" or suffering but it doesn't mean great lessons are not being learned. A life may seem to be weak on the outside, but much transformation is happening on other levels... It is really hard to say. I do think our life is about lessons for some greater scheme, what that is, I can't fathom. Maybe accepting your "weakness" is the karmic goal. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 27, 2015 12:13 AM
Gamers often have difficulty settings for their games, and some choose the more difficult because it's more rewarding when they overcome. Maybe reincarnation is like that.A lot of bad placements are those that can be worked through, and if they are the person who does so then typically becomes stronger than a person who never struggled with such things (at least in that sense). IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted September 27, 2015 12:43 AM
I don't believe we choose our natal chart. If anyone chooses our chart, it has to be God. On the other hand, I suppose I could be wrong and my mission in life is to understand the nature of weakness in the first place. But I just have so much trouble grasping why I would need to learn that. IP: Logged |
bananaz
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From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted September 27, 2015 01:01 AM
I believe the chart comes from a conversation between you and God.Or whatever your version of God is... You are more perfect than you know. The weakness is not who you are. You are a perfect being. You trusted yourself enough to live this life, and God trusted you enough. Your soul is perfect just the way it is. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2015 02:19 AM
It is illegal to copy any part of Mr. Schulman's work without his permission
but I do have a link where you can read the whole Allegory.
I highly recommend it.  Karmic Astrology Allegory of the Signs...Martin Schulman http://classiclegendbooks.com/allegory.html ------------------
"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I 'eat a peach' for peace." Duane Allman IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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From: Beachville, USA
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posted September 27, 2015 03:30 AM
Strength in one area means weakness in another. Its give and take.IP: Logged |
FmVenusWLove
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From: It's cold here
Registered: Jan 2015
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posted September 27, 2015 03:42 AM
I do believe we choose our trials/challenges for each incarnation as well as our strengths and that those are reflected in our birth charts. Instead of looking at the negatives, recognize that we contain within us the propensity to attract both positive and negative experiences. It's each person's choice to look at his/her experiences through the lens of a victim or a student. Weakness is relative. Perhaps someone chooses to be "weak" in an incarnation because they need to learn to develop humility or rethink what they believe is strength. Not sure what you mean by "not being able to achieve his/her karmic goal". I don't see how anyone can say whether or not they will achieve their spiritual goals/mission in this life while they are still living it  Your birth chart lays out your potential - it is not your destiny. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted September 27, 2015 07:49 AM
Its not about "choosing" to be weak, its about experiencing a lesson you are here to learn. How YOU deal with it determines how you have applied that lesson to your life.Lets say someone is wild, reckless, and happy-go-lucky in this life. It may be because in a previous life they were born and raised in a prison or concentration camp. They may have been killed at a young age and all they have known was suffering. So in THIS life, they will get to experience the joys of life and learn from them. Another example would be someone who is very quiet, and reserved. It may be because in a previous life they were constantly on the go and never had a chance to truly settle down. So in this life they get to experience that peace. We don't choose, we simply gravitate to where we need to be next. We don't choose the signs in "order" so if you're an Aries it doesn't mean in the next life you'll be a Taurus. It can be any sign that helps you get to your next level. IP: Logged |
ikja
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From: The Valley of Restoration
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted September 27, 2015 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Funny, I dont ever remember choosing this chart/life!
Basically lol.
I definitely wouldn't have chosen this life for myself! IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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From: New Jersey
Registered: Jul 2014
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posted September 27, 2015 08:33 AM
No, I didn't choose to be born 3 months premature so I could be an Aries. But, thank the universe I was. :PIP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted September 27, 2015 08:41 AM
The soul is invincible and immortal. Its pure energy. You guys say things like "I wouldn't have chosen this life" but in some ways you have to realize that you did choose it.The problem is we don't believe we are capable of the things we go through in life because we have lost connection with our selves. Im not saying "suck it up and deal with it" but be more aware of who you are and what you are capable of regardless of what your "earthly life" appears to be. This is the key to happiness no matter what your "chart" says. Your soul doesn't care about worldly things because it is superior to it, and I hope you guys realize that you are also a lot bigger than what you appear to be. IP: Logged |
FmVenusWLove
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From: It's cold here
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posted September 28, 2015 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
The soul is invincible and immortal. Its pure energy. You guys say things like "I wouldn't have chosen this life" but in some ways you have to realize that you did choose it.The problem is we don't believe we are capable of the things we go through in life because we have lost connection with our selves. Im not saying "suck it up and deal with it" but be more aware of who you are and what you are capable of regardless of what your "earthly life" appears to be. This is the key to happiness no matter what your "chart" says. Your soul doesn't care about worldly things because it is superior to it, and I hope you guys realize that you are also a lot bigger than what you appear to be.
Couldn't have said it better.
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Belage
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posted September 28, 2015 04:25 PM
In my opinion, we like to think that we chose our natal chart because it is our way to make peace with our fate. There is no way that any soul would choose to come back to experience what I have seen some people experience on this plane called earth. I think IT IS CHOSEN FOR US due to our karma, and we have NO choice but to incarnate to learn from it. IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
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From: Sirius
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted September 30, 2015 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
In my opinion, we like to think that we chose our natal chart because it is our way to make peace with our fate. There is no way that any soul would choose to come back to experience what I have seen some people experience on this plane called earth. I think IT IS CHOSEN FOR US due to our karma, and we have NO choice but to incarnate to learn from it.
I mostly agree. I don't want to think that I choose my natal chart. IP: Logged |
FmVenusWLove
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From: It's cold here
Registered: Jan 2015
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posted September 30, 2015 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
I mostly agree. I don't want to think that I choose my natal chart.
I just glanced at your natal chart in the other thread - confused as to why you have such a disparaging view of it. IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
Knowflake Posts: 476
From: Sirius
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted October 04, 2015 01:21 PM
Well, I'm depressed since I know for myself, I'm total p**** and a weirdo, not strong enough to survive alone and not sociable/normal enough to belong into society. At first I also thought my natal chart is normal, but now I hate it. IP: Logged |
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