posted September 30, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Same here Gabby, except for the explode for a minute then forget about it part. I feel I try and things don't work out but I hold terrible awful grudges :-(

but then my Mars is aspected quite a bit.

I somethimes think about letting go and letting the universe bring things to me. Sounds so nice but I always feel anxious, as if that's not an option and I absolutely have to work at it. Even simple things like grocery shopping lol. If I feel I'm suppose have certain items and I for some reason could not get them that day, I will even dream I am grocery shopping and buying said items until I do it smh. It's crazy lol.

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posted September 30, 2015 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I don't know if it's poorly expressed or not, I guess it's mainly internal anger I feel...I have arguments in my mind more than anywhere else. I can go over n over things I should have said or will say...but in reality I never do.
Ive always made a bigger deal in my head than I do in real life. Actually I wish I could get mad and really express anger. I feel it inside me and at times I can feel full of rage regarding certain events but once I'm in front of the person, I'm mild.
If intense events that inspire my anger happen too often I will start feeling like I'm becoming an angry person in general! Feeling like that really affects my self esteem. I feel happy with myself when I'm mild and I hate myself for allowing myself to get angry.

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This is actually exactly the feeling I always felt as a result of Mars Rx in Gemini. The Gemini is what makes us talk to ourselves so much afterwards, it's maddening lol. We always think of how it could have gone and should go next time but that's usually not the case. I do hold grudges as mentioned before but like you I don't feel very good after getting really angry. Especially because it is usually quite massive (as I rarely get mad and it's obviously pent up anger from not just one but MANY things). Lots of things are damaged in an explosive event including my perception of self. I like to be poised, classy, and most of all logical. At times anger makes me do somewhat illogical things and I don't identify with that.

I would say that yes our anger is expressed poorly when it comes down to it. As Mars in Gemini people, the best thing for us to do is express what is on our mind at the time of a confrontation / problem immediately. If we don't we start expressing these things to ourselves when it is much too late. The problem is no matter how hard I try to do this (express at the time of the event) it does not go that way. I may be passive, or (in more rare cases) become extremely violent and angry but never anything that felt right.

posted September 30, 2015 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Your dreams are really cool LBC!! 😊
I've had to train myself to let go...it had not been easy. Learning to stoups and meditate when I feel myself pushing to hard is waft has taught me how to flow with the universe instead of trying to force my will.
I think the rx is telling us we are not supposed to be pushing our will on the universe instead letting the universes will into us. Just my opinion due to my experiences and the nature of the rx direction, it just makes sense to me.

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THANKS! Also you seem so wise and tranquil, it's great. I have thought about this before. That maybe perhaps we were never meant to express our Martian energy the way others do in the first place. That's why it goes so bad and is expressed "poorly" when we try. I found myself at times even trying to mimic being angry at something, just to stand up for myself (in the worldly / common definition of the idea) just to attempt not feeling the internal anger later.

It's tough, but as you mentioned, Mars Rx is telling us we have a totally different Martian purpose from those with a direct Mars. I just have difficulty figuring out what is or how to use it effectively. Our Mars energy is different but how do we use it without getting trampled on or left in the dust?

posted September 30, 2015 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
THANKS! Also you seem so wise and tranquil, it's great. I have thought about this before. That maybe perhaps we were never meant to express our Martian energy the way others do in the first place. That's why it goes so bad and is expressed "poorly" when we try. I found myself at times even trying to mimic being angry at something, just to stand up for myself (in the world / common definition of the idea) just to attempt not feeling the internal anger.

It's tough, but as you mentioned, Mars Rx is telling us we have a totally different Martian purpose from the average person.

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I'm on my phone...I will go edit my post ugh!! Lol

Yes, I do think we are supposed to be learning to control our tempers, anger is not natural to us so we need to follow our hearts/love and understanding more than our anger which is driven by the ego.

posted September 30, 2015 06:44 PM            

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This is actually exactly the feeling I always felt as a result of Mars Rx in Gemini. The Gemini is what makes us talk to ourselves so much afterwards, it's maddening lol. We always think of how it could have gone and should go next time but that's usually not the case. I do hold grudges as mentioned before but like you I don't feel very good after getting really angry. Especially because it is usually quite massive (as I rarely get mad and it's obviously pent up anger from not just one but MANY things). Lots of things are damaged in an explosive event including my perception of self. I like to be poised, classy, and most of all logical. At times anger makes me do somewhat illogical things and I don't identify with that.

I would say that yes our anger is expressed poorly when it comes down to it. As Mars in Gemini people, the best thing for us to do is express what is on our mind at the time of a confrontation / problem immediately. If we don't we start expressing these things to ourselves when it is much too late. The problem is no matter how hard I try to do this (express at the time of the event) it does not go that way. I may be passive, or (in more rare cases) become extremely violent and angry but never anything that felt right.

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posted September 30, 2015 07:27 PM            

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I don't typically get physically violent...I will do extreme things if I know the ppl and know they will forgive me. But that's not often!
I wonder if, we sat down and wrote out our anger, would it help us work through our anger quicker?
I do write poems to express anger or sadness. When i do, I can reread what I wrote and it seems to help a lot. I can let go of the anger quicker and feel I've created something positive from it...that makes me feel much better about having that anger.

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That's so awesome because that's exactly what I do :-D

I almost always have a journal of some kind that I express my anger / thoughts in. It certainly does help a lot. I write poems and lots of dialogue. Sometimes I srcibble lol. Reading books or studying (anything from a language to astrology or computers) is another way I go about it. However writing is my favorite of all.

I really wish that I had the more tranquil nature you have. I tend to be the opposite in which if I do not know you very well it is that much easier to not care about what happens if you upset me. With those I know and love I prefer to cut them off and not speak to them because I don't want my vengeful nature to surface. I try hard to forgive things people do but I find that even while doing so the smallest of things will remind me of something they've done and I will feel a strong hate all over again. This may make me malicious or wicked towards them so to avoid that I just separate myself to protect them (and myself).

These is not something I am necessarily happy about because no matter how awful someone has been to me, if others hear me say things like this I am automatically a bad person. When the truth is I am a hurt person not a bad person. I am very loyal and kind and it just cuts deep when others are not (for usually no reason). It makes my otherwise kind spirit rather cold.

Do you happen to have Pisces anywhere in your chart? I knew a few and I can't shake the feeling.

posted September 30, 2015 07:35 PM            

That's so awesome because that's exactly what I do :-D

I almost always have a journal of some kind that I express my anger / thoughts in. It certainly does help a lot. I write poems and lots of dialogue. Sometimes I srcibble lol. Reading books or studying (anything from a language to astrology or computers) is another way I go about it. However writing is my favorite of all (as you can probably tell lol)

I really wish that I had the more tranquil nature you have. I tend to be the opposite in which if I do not know you very well it is that much easier to not care about what happens if you upset me. With those I know and love I prefer to cut them off and not speak to them because I don't want my vengeful nature to surface. I try hard to forgive things people do but I find that even while doing so the smallest of things will remind me of something they've done and I will feel a strong hate all over again. This may make me malicious or wicked towards them so to avoid that I just separate myself to protect them (and myself).

These is not something I am necessarily happy about because no matter how awful someone has been to me, if others hear me say things like this I am automatically a bad person. When the truth is I am a hurt person not a bad person. I am very loyal and kind and it just cuts deep when others are not (for usually no reason). It makes my otherwise kind spirit rather cold.

Do you happen to have Pisces anywhere in your chart? I knew a few and I can't shake the feeling.

posted September 30, 2015 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I don't know if it's poorly expressed or not, I guess it's mainly internal anger I feel...I have arguments in my mind more than anywhere else. I can go over n over things I should have said or will say...but in reality I never do.
Ive always made a bigger deal in my head than I do in real life. I feel it inside me and at times, I can feel full of rage regarding certain events but once I'm in front of the person, I'm mild.
If intense events that inspire my anger happen too often I will start feeling like I'm becoming an angry person in general, that really affects my self esteem. I feel happy with myself when I'm mild and I hate myself for allowing myself to get angry.
I don't feel like anger should be a part of me for some reason and it shocks me when I see it in me, I hate it!
Venus is my chart ruler, Venus is in my 1st house and it's conjunct my anti-Vertex, Pluto and 12 degrees off my AC...plus Venus is opposed Jupiter. I'm all about love, do anger doesn't feel appropriate to me.

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yeah i understand gabby what your saying as you feel your mars rx expresses internally rather then externally to the world. i' ve read a lot on retrograde planets especially mars and i've read a lot that those with mars rx have trouble expressing martian qualities and other articles saying that the energy is expressed better then someone with a direct mars if it is supported by other aspects and its not afflicted. however, you do have your moon in the 12th house do you? i think i read somewhere where you were saying how your moon is in the 12th house and that can reeeeealllyyy inhibit you when it comes to expressing your anger and especially your emotions and feeling like your alone and not being supported etc. many other things that are connected to the moon in the 12th house. anger does feel hidden and is expressed internally as it is an emotion especially if it is in the 12th house. thoughts?

posted September 30, 2015 07:49 PM            

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yeah i understand gabby what your saying as you feel your mars rx expresses internally rather then externally to the world. i' ve read a lot on retrograde planets especially mars and i've read a lot that those with mars rx have trouble expressing martian qualities and other articles saying that the energy is expressed better then someone with a direct mars if it is supported by other aspects and its not afflicted. however, you do have your moon in the 12th house do you? i think i read somewhere where you were saying how your moon is in the 12th house and that can reeeeealllyyy inhibit you when it comes to expressing your anger and especially your emotions and feeling like your alone and not being supported etc. many other things that are connected to the moon in the 12th house. anger does feel hidden and is expressed internally as it is an emotion especially if it is in the 12th house. thoughts?

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My main chart ruler (Pluto) is in the 12th house. I have read interesting but sad things about this. My sister has moon in Pisces in the 12th though and she has no problem whatsoever with expression. I do feel Mars Rx is the main source as Gabby and I share a lot of core similarities (not all but a lot). Rx Mars in the same sign with a seeming inability to express anger in the desired way. Lots of internal talk about it.

posted September 30, 2015 08:00 PM            

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My main chart ruler (Pluto) is in the 12th house. I have read interesting but sad things about this. My sister has moon in Pisces in the 12th though and she has no problem whatsoever with expression. I do feel Mars Rx is the main source as Gabby and I share a lot of core similarities (not all but a lot). Rx Mars in the same sign with a seeming inability to express anger in the desired way. Lots of internal talk about it.

Like you I have read about Mars Rx increasing Mars qualities, and this can be the case at times I think, but mostly I feel Mars Rx is repression....it's difficult. I think the enhanced Mars qualities may be internal (as described in my earliest description in this thread).

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well i have many friends with moon in the 12th house and they are very insecure, generally feel unsupported and they have mars in gemini DIRECT. and the mother usually had an illness of some kind or went through a depression or the indivdual having problems with the mother and i know a lot about the 12th house as my jupiter R is in the 12th house and my friend has her own mars in the 12th house in scorpio and she can NOT express anger and she is the quiet girl that will choose to keep peace with someone and not be noticed in a crowd and likes to be in solitude places. so AGAIN it really depends on the REST of someone's CHART. That seems very odd to me that your sister is expressive as you say because planets in the 12th house is a house of sanctuary, prisons, isolums, spirituality, the unconscious, illness's, illusions, fantasy, addictions, away from the public it is the LAST HOUSE. the 12th house is a NEPTUNIAN house it is ruled by PISCES. you have to think all things that are connected to the 12th house/neptune/pisces. She must have someting going in her chart that is supporting her expression.

I've read a lot about the 12th house and trust me i would love to agree with you BUT unfornately we have to go with what the 12th house is about and having planets in that house.

Okay, I' m WRONG. i obviously dont know anything about mars RX and you FOUND YOUR ANSWER. HOWEVER my JUPITER RX i feel is expressed very well especially in the 12th house plus its squaring my chart ruler but jupiter RX is affecting only themes connected to my chart ruler.

The 12th house is the house of self undoing and isolation and it is the last house it is the cadent house.

posted September 30, 2015 08:27 PM            

I don’t notice anything worth noting. Not like you and how you learned swimming in reverse lol. I do learn quickly when it comes to physical stuff though.

I’m able to take action mostly because I know what I’m capable of. It’s something I learned through experiences. It’s a decision, not an instinct.

I’m sorry you grew up surrounded by such hostility. Guess one can only try one’s best, given the circumstances. We probably have missed the option of becoming wholesomely angelic. But at least we can learn to rein the beast in, and become tragically beautiful in a trampled flower sort of way lol.

My anger frizzles out quickly. It doesn't disappear completely though. The little bits of anger left can build up over time. Martial arts help me with that. I think it's great that you want to learn. I recommend tai chi. I have my doubts about more aggressive styles. I practice a sort of obscure, ruthless one. There was dangerous stuff like gouging out eye-balls and aiming for kill points. The teaching of such moves has been discontinued for a long time, however it doesn’t erase the fact that the whole style is built upon very aggressive, near barbaric moves.

Tai chi helps me with disciplines, inner peace and it doesn’t “feed” the anger, which is important for people who may have issues with anger management, I think. When I do engage in fights, I mostly defend and block. I rarely use offensive attacks.

posted September 30, 2015 08:32 PM            

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well i have many friends with moon in the 12th house and they are very insecure, generally feel unsupported and they have mars in gemini DIRECT. and the mother usually had an illness of some kind or went through a depression or the indivdual having problems with the mother and i know a lot about the 12th house as my jupiter R is in the 12th house and my friend has her own mars in the 12th house in scorpio and she can NOT express anger and she is the quiet girl that will choose to keep peace with someone and not be noticed in a crowd and likes to be in solitude places. so AGAIN it really depends on the REST of someone's CHART. That seems very odd to me that your sister is expressive as you say because planets in the 12th house is a house of sanctuary, prisons, isolums, spirituality, the unconscious, illness's, illusions, fantasy, addictions, away from the public it is the LAST HOUSE. the 12th house is a NEPTUNIAN house it is ruled by PISCES. you have to think all things that are connected to the 12th house/neptune/pisces. She must have someting going in her chart that is supporting her expression.

I've read a lot about the 12th house and trust me i would love to agree with you BUT unfornately we have to go with what the 12th house is about and having planets in that house.

Okay, I' m WRONG. i obviously dont know anything about mars RX and you FOUND YOUR ANSWER. HOWEVER my JUPITER RX i feel is expressed very well especially in the 12th house plus its squaring my chart ruler but jupiter RX is affecting only themes connected to my chart ruler.

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angel14845 The fashion in which your last post was written didn't make any sense. As text has no tone I wasn't sure if you were upset or frustrated or what but it doesn't matter. I honestly feel it just depends on whether or not the 12 house is affecting planets that are readily seen by others. My sister has a 12th house moon but she is Aries rising so she is bold. The moon is basically personal and most of her 12th house activities go on behind the scenes. Your friend and I have 12th house placements for positions that correlate directly to how we interact with the outside world (whether they know us well or not). I am a Sag Sun / Gemini moon. I am suppose to be quite social, bubbly and pleasant, but I am not. Because my Ascendant's Ruler (my face to the world) is in the 12th house. Mars is sort of another face to the world as well, because it deals with how you survive in the world.

Your friend has her Mars (survival armor) in the 12th. I also think Sun in the 12th may have a similar affect. All other 12th house placements will not be felt constantly by the native (except maybe the moon) and even then it will not be readily apparent to peers. My Jupiter is Rx and I don't feel it constantly. This is because the positions readily seen by the world (Ascendant, Sun, Mars) will overshadow other more private placements. This is why my sister's Aries Ascendant overshadows her 12th house moon. She is also Neptune dominant (next to only Venus) and she is not shy. Mars and Ascendant placements hit hard because they are your direct link with the world.

I do not doubt Gabby's 12th house affects her (of course it does) but as someone with Mars Rx I instantly recognize the symptoms and where they are coming from. It's the Retrograde Mars, it's very suppressing. You have to have it to understand. Period.

posted September 30, 2015 09:03 PM            

LOL!

I like what you mentioned about decision vs instinct. The way my Rx Mars personally affects me I would need this theme applied. "tragically beautiful in a trampled flower sort of way" Do you write poetry or something? I rather liked that. Oh and of course it does reign true in many ways. Even though I have issues with expressing anger I do not doubt any other form of strength I have. My life has made me as tough as one could be emotionally. No not cold or mean or anything I'm talking about endurance (something your Mars in Taurus probably knows all about). Besides my mother I am the backbone of the family, except I am calmer than her so I am relied upon in a any crisis. Surprisingly my sibling are quite aggressive and tough but break down much easier than I ever could. I've actually noticed this pattern with people in general. The same person that can win every verbal or physical fight usually has no strength in areas of a more psychological or emotional nature. It's odd.

Wow it seems everyone else has anger that fizzles out quickly! I now understand that repressed or delayed anger may be Mars Rx but the depth of my anger is clearly Scorpio Rising (and moon in the 8th). It officially can no longer be blamed on Mars Rx lol

posted September 30, 2015 09:16 PM            

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@Gabby

That's so awesome because that's exactly what I do :-D

I almost always have a journal of some kind that I express my anger / thoughts in. It certainly does help a lot. I write poems and lots of dialogue. Sometimes I srcibble lol. Reading books or studying (anything from a language to astrology or computers) is another way I go about it. However writing is my favorite of all (as you can probably tell lol)

I really wish that I had the more tranquil nature you have. I tend to be the opposite in which if I do not know you very well it is that much easier to not care about what happens if you upset me. With those I know and love I prefer to cut them off and not speak to them because I don't want my vengeful nature to surface. I try hard to forgive things people do but I find that even while doing so the smallest of things will remind me of something they've done and I will feel a strong hate all over again. This may make me malicious or wicked towards them so to avoid that I just separate myself to protect them (and myself).

These is not something I am necessarily happy about because no matter how awful someone has been to me, if others hear me say things like this I am automatically a bad person. When the truth is I am a hurt person not a bad person. I am very loyal and kind and it just cuts deep when others are not (for usually no reason). It makes my otherwise kind spirit rather cold.

Do you happen to have Pisces anywhere in your chart? I knew a few and I can't shake the feeling.

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It's good you protect yourself and the ones you love....that keeps your guilt levels down and will help with anger to!!

I have a 12th house unaspected virgo moon, very much like a pisces moon. It's very sensitive and giving but I have the ability to not let my emotions rule me. Virgo is able to set the emotions aside and keep your head intact...pisces doesn't seem to have that ability.
Plus I have stellium Neptune/Merc/Sun...again giving a touch of pisces/Neptune to my Sun and Mercury

posted September 30, 2015 09:20 PM              

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Lol, yep thought so ^_^
We tend to experience really ethereal and at times even turbulent experiences relating to passion, love, and emotions in general. Is your moon in Cancer? I always sort of envied Scorpio Rising people with midheaven in Leo (I have mine in Virgo...). I feel it sort of alters the text-book definition of Scorpio Rising as it relates to me. If Scorpio Rising is investigative and analytical I am EXTRA investigative analytical and very meticulous at planning things (as these are typical Virgo traits). However, the Leo flair is missing lol. We are a bit more shy and retiring than our Leo Midheaven counterparts.

Aside from the experience expressed regarding your midheaven, do you feel any other energies as a result of your Mars Rx? How do you find you relate to typical Martian things? Asserting yourself, going after goals, physical fights / temper, sex-drive, etc.

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Nope my moon is in Aquarius. Hmm my Jupiter trines my Mars from the 2nd some times I can feel my energy bouncing off me (expanding). But I have a Stellium 3rd and my Mercury is also opposite my Mars. I have a very controlled anger. It can be FIERCE when I'm driven to the EXTREME. But one thing about my Mars is that I feel passion more than ANYTHING. It's now progressing my Venus (opposite). I can be a leader when I'm in the mood. And since the Sun rules Leo it makes me aware of this passion in some cases.

posted September 30, 2015 09:21 PM            

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angel14845 The fashion in which your last post was written didn't make any sense. As text has no tone I wasn't sure if you were upset or frustrated or what but it doesn't matter. I honestly feel it just depends on whether or not the 12 house is affecting planets that are readily seen by others. My sister has a 12th house moon but she is Aries rising so she is bold. The moon is basically personal and most of her 12th house activities go on behind the scenes. Your friend and I have 12th house placements for positions that correlate directly to how we interact with the outside world (whether they know us well or not). I am a Sag Sun / Gemini moon. I am suppose to be quite social, bubbly and pleasant, but I am not. Because my Ascendant's Ruler (my face to the world) is in the 12th house. Mars is sort of another face to the world as well, because it deals with how you survive in the world.

Your friend has her Mars (survival armor) in the 12th. I also think Sun in the 12th may have a similar affect. All other 12th house placements will not be felt constantly by the native (except maybe the moon) and even then it will not be readily apparent to peers. My Jupiter is Rx and I don't feel it constantly. This is because the positions readily seen by the world (Ascendant, Sun, Mars) will overshadow other more private placements. This is why my sister's Aries Ascendant overshadows her 12th house moon. She is also Neptune dominant (next to only Venus) and she is not shy. Mars and Ascendant placements hit hard because they are your direct link with the world.

I do not doubt Gabby's 12th house affects her (of course it does) but as someone with Mars Rx I instantly recognize the symptoms and where they are coming from. It's the Retrograde Mars, it's very suppressing. You have to have it to understand. Period.

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"Your friend has her Mars (survival armor) in the 12th. I also think Sun in the 12th may have a similar affect. All other 12th house placements will not be felt constantly by the native (except maybe the moon) and even then it will not be readily apparent to peers." I'm afraid to say i disagree but i respect your opinion.

I' am quite frustrated because i have read extensively on mars rx and i feel there is not enough information on that and it is sooooooo hard to really understand mars rx when an individual holds personal planets in the 12th house. because the 12th house is the house of isolation. and when people say that mars rx is supposed surpress mars attributes and say that those with mars rx are considered WEAK......i DISAGREE. mars rx is not a weak placement at all it is just expressed differently and it is not weak, NOT AT ALL. i have a different theory when it comes to the ascendant.

anyways back to mars rx in gemini i understand exactly where your coming from with everything that you have said and will accept from your experiences and gabby that mars rx in gemini is not really that exalted, as a mars in aries rx would be or mars rx in capricorn would be more dignified then to have a mars rx in gemini. mars rx in gemini maybe not the strongest but i would never call it weak as i can see what you were saying that it is just expressed different that someone with a mars rx in a dignified sign would have. This makes a lot of sense with what you were saying and from your experiences so i definitely appreciate that

posted September 30, 2015 09:23 PM            

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yeah i understand gabby what your saying as you feel your mars rx expresses internally rather then externally to the world. i' ve read a lot on retrograde planets especially mars and i've read a lot that those with mars rx have trouble expressing martian qualities and other articles saying that the energy is expressed better then someone with a direct mars if it is supported by other aspects and its not afflicted. however, you do have your moon in the 12th house do you? i think i read somewhere where you were saying how your moon is in the 12th house and that can reeeeealllyyy inhibit you when it comes to expressing your anger and especially your emotions and feeling like your alone and not being supported etc. many other things that are connected to the moon in the 12th house. anger does feel hidden and is expressed internally as it is an emotion especially if it is in the 12th house. thoughts?

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posted September 30, 2015 09:34 PM            

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Yes definitely 12th house moon is tough because there's always a feeling of emotional disconnect to others...or like your just to different and ppl can't comprehend you. It makes you feel like an outsider all the time.
Ontop of the 12th house moon, my moon is unaspected. That creates a huge ability to be empathic and understanding but rarely let's you think about yourself. 12th house moon knows how much it hurts to be alone so you never want others to feel the pains you've known...good for them, bad for me!!
Then my moon is in virgo, so emotions are very controlled and mentally processed before being expressed.
Anger feels wrong, when I get angry I feel like a failure for not being able to control it.

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yes i understand gabby, my friend too also has moon in virgo in the 12th house and he feels the same way you do and that being said he has MARS IN GEMINI DIRECT at the LAST DEGREE. but mars in gemini what i've learned from you guys is not as dignified as a mars in aries individual would be. This information you both gave me was helpful.

posted September 30, 2015 09:46 PM            

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yes i understand gabby, my friend too also has moon in virgo in the 12th house and he feels the same way you do and that being said he has MARS IN GEMINI DIRECT at the LAST DEGREE. but mars in gemini what i've learned from you guys is not as dignified as a mars in aries individual would be.

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LOL yessssss

posted September 30, 2015 10:29 PM            

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Nope my moon is in Aquarius. Hmm my Jupiter trines my Mars from the 2nd some times I can feel my energy bouncing off me (expanding). But I have a Stellium 3rd and my Mercury is also opposite my Mars. I have a very controlled anger. It can be FIERCE when I'm driven to the EXTREME. But one thing about my Mars is that I feel passion more than ANYTHING. It's now progressing my Venus (opposite). I can be a leader when I'm in the mood. And since the Sun rules Leo it makes me aware of this passion in some cases.

When it comes to sex I honestly feel I could get any lady I want but I'm so concentrated on my Goal I can't mix the too. I can be a show off too if I'm really digging the girl but just in a really subtle retrograde way I love the female body

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I actually meant to say Aquarius and have no idea why I wrote Cancer lol. If your Mars is conjunct your Midheaven in Leo then Mars should be in Leo and your moon (that opposes it) could be in Aquarius. That's how I worked it out (sort of like with your Asc) but managed to write Cancer XD lol ANYWAY, you seem quite well off tbh. Your Aquarius moon is a little like my Gemini moon, it doesn't get too attached or overly emotional which is somewhat of a bonus if you have Mars Rx. There are plenty of things you could walk away from because you genuinely just don't care that much.

That being said my Gemini moon is actually a bit weird though. It's in the 8th house and with my Scorpio Asc I find that though I may not be necessarily emotional very often I am darn sure obsessive (and a tad stalkerish) ... in a detached sort of way (huh?). My emotions are sometimes like experiments...unfinished ones that I leave and come back to in an erratic fashion smh. Controlled anger is what I am aiming for. I'm mostly controlled but the dynamics change the more I feel my controlled demeanor is being taken as a weak demeanor. Sometimes Mars Rx makes me feel more passive than controlled and I'll jump it from passive to aggressive to compensate. No nice middle ground of good healthy assertion. I have to be pushed though. If you read my previous posts you'll know what I mean. I'm working on it though.

posted September 30, 2015 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I'm afraid to say i disagree but i respect your opinion.

I' am quite frustrated because i have read extensively on mars rx and i feel there is not enough information on that and it is sooooooo hard to really understand mars rx when an individual holds personal planets in the 12th house. because the 12th house is the house of isolation. and when people say that mars rx is supposed surpress mars attributes and say that those with mars rx are considered WEAK......i DISAGREE. mars rx is not a weak placement at all it is just expressed differently and it is not weak, NOT AT ALL. i have a different theory when it comes to the ascendant.

anyways back to mars rx in gemini i understand exactly where your coming from with everything that you have said and will accept from your experiences and gabby that mars rx in gemini is not really that exalted, as a mars in aries rx would be or mars rx in capricorn would be more dignified then to have a mars rx in gemini. mars rx in gemini maybe not the strongest but i would never call it weak as i can see what you were saying that it is just expressed different that someone with a mars rx in a dignified sign would have. This makes a lot of sense with what you were saying and from your experiences so i definitely appreciate that

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Reverse psychology is a complete waste of time so just understand that. Also, I don't necessarily believe in exaltation. Some placements may make certain qualities felt in a more unique, strong, or interesting way but you see, all of those in which I named where different. Mars in Aries is (standard idea) strong. Mars in Gemini is mentally strong / clever. Mars in Aquarius in strong in originality. Exaltation actually comes from whatever time-period in which a certain quality would be beneficial. If the Martial traits of Gemini (intellect) suddenly becomes more advantageous than the cut-throat win mentality of Aries because it is now looked down upon as lack of control, then Gemini will be exalted. The sun is exalted in Aries but I personally think Taurus and Leo do great and manage to avoid jail much better. So don't waste time exalting one sign over the other. All placements serve a purpose and are vital in their own way. There are no bad placements just difficult ones. The trick is that regardless of the sign placement, having Rx Mars creates an additional "difficulty" or "understanding". In addition to understanding your the function of your specific element / mode in the Mars you have, you must also then understand why those qualities require internal mastery (since that is essentially what Mars Rx eventually requires the native to do). We have one more step than those with a direct Mars.

Do I find my Retrograde Mars in Gemini difficult? Of course, but only with assertion which can be mastered as anything else can with time. In every other aspect I find Rx Mars in Gemini to be amazingly intelligent and resourceful. We are thinkers of the first order. We do not only have the external gift of intelligent/ fascinating talk as a direct MIG has but also an internal rumination of the intellect that is rarely surpassed. If Mars in Gem is the wordsmith then Mars in Gemini Rx is not only a wordsmith but an artisan of impeccable refinery (because we go over things in our mind much more than the direct version...things are perfected). We are only considered weak when not understood or mastered. If you don't know how to use something it is going to seem broken or defected until you learn it.

People with Mars Rx actually have the mentality we do because we have an elevated spiritual countenance. We instinctively know how disgraceful and primitive the currently accepted idea of strong Martian power is and inherently disdain it. We know that in the future all humans will elevate to our kinder more intelligent use of Martial energy but for now we are surrounded by people who have not reached this level of thought. That is where our problem's arise. If you are the only sane person in a room full of crazies then guess what, you're now seen as the crazy inefficient one and your way of doing things won't work. Doesn't mean you are wrong it's just your environment. So I'm not concerned whether or not you feel we were exalted but are no longer exalted or whatever the case may be. I understand that it is hard to get information on Rx Mars purely from external source alone since you do not have it yourself. So I do not fault you but I also do not feel responsible for any of your thoughts regarding it.

posted September 30, 2015 11:24 PM            

i certainly agree to that very much so.

posted September 30, 2015 11:29 PM            

of course which is why i had thought before that if the energy is internal and its the sign and in the place of mars in gemini i would thinkkkkkkk mars in gemini rx would be better at attributing those qualities then a direct mars in gemini would. but then again do remember that your mars rx is quincunx your mercury and that must feel a bit challenging and in a way positive as well for certain scenarios/events that fit the positive sides of having mercury quincunx mars rx in gemini.