posted September 30, 2015 11:45 PM            

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" In every other aspect I find Rx Mars in Gemini to be amazingly intelligent and resourceful. We are thinkers of the first order. We do not only have the external gift of intelligent/ fascinating talk as a direct MIG has but also an internal rumination of the intellect that is rarely surpassed. If Mars in Gem is the wordsmith then Mars in Gemini Rx is not only a wordsmith but an artisan of impeccable refinery (because we go over things in our mind much more than the direct version...things are perfected). "

of course which is why i had thought before that if the energy is internal and its the sign and in the place of mars in gemini i would thinkkkkkkk mars in gemini rx would be better at attributing those qualities then a direct mars in gemini would. but then again do remember that your mars rx is quincunx your mercury and that must feel a bit challenging and in a way positive as well for certain scenarios/events that fit the positive sides of having mercury quincunx mars rx in gemini.

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That makes sense actually. However, I tend to feel that even though Rx Mars in Gem is the more refined of the two we still each have different purposes that are different but equal. Remember the end product of a Rx Mars in Gemini is usually amazingly powerful / beautiful, but it also takes significantly more time and perfectionism than a direct Mars in Gemini. It's our nature to second-guess ourselves a bit and be sure before we take action. The world needs direct Mars in Gemini to be witty and entertaining with lighting speed while Rx Mars in Gemini creates something of perhaps slower delivery but much deeper substance. One is not better than the other per se, just different purposes. I personally love direct Mars in Gemini we need them :-)

posted October 01, 2015 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
It's good you protect yourself and the ones you love....that keeps your guilt levels down and will help with anger to!!

I have a 12th house unaspected virgo moon, very much like a pisces moon. It's very sensitive and giving but I have the ability to not let my emotions rule me. Virgo is able to set the emotions aside and keep your head intact...pisces doesn't seem to have that ability.
Plus I have stellium Neptune/Merc/Sun...again giving a touch of pisces/Neptune to my Sun and Mercury

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Actually, just reading a lot of what you write makes me feel less bothered by my difficult Mars Rx issues. I instinctively want to take on a more dignified and spiritual mentality of the whole thing. Virgo is definitely good for helping you remain practical. I knew quite a few Pisces moon folk who don't care about reality....at alllll...

posted October 01, 2015 09:56 AM            

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"I don't necessarily believe in exaltation. Some placements may make certain qualities felt in a more unique, strong, or interesting way but you see, all of those in which I named where different. Mars in Aries is (standard idea) strong. Mars in Gemini is mentally strong / clever. Mars in Aquarius in strong in originality. Exaltation actually comes from whatever time-period in which a certain quality would be beneficial. If the Martial traits of Gemini (intellect) suddenly becomes more advantageous than the cut-throat win mentality of Aries, then Gemini will be exalted. The sun is exalted in Aries but I personally think Taurus and Leo do great and manage to avoid jail much better. So don't waste time exalting one sign over the other. All placements serve a purpose and are vital in their own way. "

i certainly agree to that very much so.

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posted October 01, 2015 10:22 AM            

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Actually, just reading a lot of what you write makes me feel less bothered by my difficult Mars Rx issues. I instinctively want to take on a more dignified and spiritual mentality of the whole thing. Virgo is definitely good for helping you remain practical. I knew quite a few Pisces moon folk who don't care about reality....at alllll...

but most were very artistically talented though. The 12th house should give you the bonus of artistic gifts without the delusion Pisces can often bring. Having my chart ruler in the 12th has made me basically solitary and isolated most of the time but I am very artistic. I have my best ideas when alone with thoughts of things my life is characterized by. Souls, death, secrets, my emotions, hidden things, pain (especially pain), arcane things, etc. The pain that comes with the 12th house is often turned into my art. I have very odd dreams (when I'm not dreaming of my to-do list lol). Nightmarish actually. Do you find your dreams are very vivid and/or scary with your 12th house placement?

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Yes my dreams are very vivid and colorful, at times I can remember 4 dreams from one night. I used to have nightmares often, the more I learn to vent my anger in positive ways (writing, expressing frustrations and locating resolutions without getting upset) the less nightmares I have.
My drabs now are pretty happy and positive typically....I had some really strange dreams during the eclipse, 4 dreams I can remember, some were disheartening and others were happy. But I think they were telling it's time to let go of certain things because they were becoming draining to me.
I have had several warning dreams, they have warned me of specific events about to happen if I follow the path I'm planning to follow.
I went and had my car tires checked out before a long trip because of a dream I had. Didn't look like there was an issue with the tires, they were new!
But in my dream I was in an accident due to my 2 front tires blowing out, my car is front wheel drive so in the dream it spun out of control and flipped. My daughter was laying by the highway I was holding her crying.

I woke up totally freaked out and immediately went to get my tires fixed! Lol
And they found that on the inside of the 2 front tires the tread was separating. They were new but at some point they had been recalled due to that exact issue.
The guy told me he was surprised nobody had contacted us and he was amazed I'd made it this far on the tires. He said he was happy we had come in because on the highway they wouldn't have lasted long. He said we would have been in a very dangerous situation, going 80mph when one blew the other would likely blow immediately to due to the pull of the first tire blowing. I asked if the car could flip from that, he said yes that could happen under the right circumstances!

posted October 01, 2015 02:40 PM              

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I actually meant to say Aquarius and have no idea why I wrote Cancer lol. If your Mars is conjunct your Midheaven in Leo then Mars should be in Leo and your moon (that opposes it) could be in Aquarius. That's how I worked it out (sort of like with your Asc) but managed to write Cancer XD lol ANYWAY, you seem quite well off tbh. Your Aquarius moon is a little like my Gemini moon, it doesn't get too attached or overly emotional which is somewhat of a bonus if you have Mars Rx. There are plenty of things you could walk away from because you genuinely just don't care that much.

That being said my Gemini moon is actually a bit weird though. It's in the 8th house and with my Scorpio Asc I find that though I may not be necessarily emotional very often I am darn sure obsessive (and a tad stalkerish) ... in a detached sort of way (huh?). My emotions are sometimes like experiments...unfinished ones that I leave and come back to in an erratic fashion smh. Controlled anger is what I am aiming for. I'm mostly controlled but the dynamics change the more I feel my controlled demeanor is being taken as a weak demeanor. Sometimes Mars Rx makes me feel more passive than controlled and I'll jump it from passive to aggressive to compensate. No nice middle ground of good healthy assertion. I have to be pushed though. If you read my previous posts you'll know what I mean. I'm working on it though.

Soooooo....honestly as a ScorpAsc I would be lying if I said topics of passion, sex, love, and strong emotion were not where I feel right at home. Although I like breaking it apart and analyzing with meaningful intent, not those crazy perv threads I've been seeing on here hahaha. It is fascinating when considered with the core of the soul and the human condition. You having Leo Mars (especially Rx) you are a proud and passionate individual. I find that with Mars Rx when I can't express anger it stays inside and builds to crazy levels. I find the same is true for sex-drive. After-all the Mars Rx effect will happen with all Martial things and sex-drive is no exception. It can build inside and be felt much more strongly than a direct Mars because Mars Rx is an expert at feeling Mars things internally. You have a fire Mars so even more so for you. You have Leo qualities so of course you feel you could get any woman ^_^, and it should come easy to you. You'll just (as you said) go about it in the retrograde way. Remember that Mars Rx is just the other side of Mars (scorpio) so you'll use Scorpion-like magnetism and even a hypnotic subtlety so project your Leo Mars qualities instead of the Aries way of direct Mars people.

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posted October 02, 2015 05:43 PM            

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Gemini Moon in 8th house!!! AHAHA I bet that is definitely a fun little placement to have!! Where's your Venus located? Mine's in Cap 3rd!

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I have Venus in Sagittarius in the 1st. I'm the stereotypical Venus in the first (love of beauty, charms people, spends too much time dressing immaculately to aid in seducing people lol). It makes me outwardly very feminine and dainty but since it is in Sag I am mentally rather masculine / tough.

Oh yes a Gemini moon in the 8th is rather...er...unusual. Gemini craves constant information and Scorpio's 8th house makes that information lean towards REALLY strange stuff. I feel very internally close to such things, as if taboo or weird stuff somehow represents my emotions in a way. I also tend to laugh or smile at very inappropriate times (silly emotionally distant gemini). I don't like that part to tbh. There was a thread on here that asked users to post a picture that they feel represents their moon placements. I put these. Sorry in advance for the over-sized images

posted October 02, 2015 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I understand what your saying, I think the reason why gem mars isn't considered as strong of a placement is because by nature "Mars" itself is physical
Gemini by nature is mental...so they have a conflict of interest.
Not that a mental mars isn't good, it's just that it's not the stereotypical "physical" placement that ppl think of when they think of Mars qualities.
It's all subjective!

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It is very subjective indeed and I think that is the best way to go about it :-)
I truly believe we were given specific chart placements to compliment our life path. Bruce Lee had Mars in Scorpio which is said to be similar to Mars Rx and would obviously be considered contrary to the interest of Mars. Yet not only did he pursue a very Martian area of life, he excelled and surpassed amazing standards in it. One would expect a fire Mars to be so outstanding in such a Martian field. No sign is less fit for Mars or better suited for Mars. My Gemini moon is not considered an ideal moon sign (intellect vs emotion), but it is my Gemini moon that keeps me 100% calm in crisis. I have literally stopped my childhood home from burning down just by being so detached. I calmly took the necessary steps to out it, etc. while my Aries rising sister fled the house and left us all in there hahaha. All placements are given for a reason ^_^

posted October 02, 2015 07:37 PM            

People with a natal Retrograde Mars exhibit less external anger than those with direct Mars. This may be due to genuinely not feeling any anger from typically provoking scenarios or from difficulty expressing anger even when felt. Those with their Retrograde Mars in a fire sign have less difficulty with this. Mars Rx in an air sign will under-go much mental rumination (or self-talk) in regard to action whether before or after taking it while Mars Rx in a water sign may repeatedly experience feelings previously felt. Mars governs many things in addition to anger, including sex-drive and ambition among other things. Those with Retrograde Mars can experience an internal build-up of any martial emotion / feeling if thought upon intently or not expressed in a satisfactory manner. For example, immense feelings of sexual desire, extreme internal anger, or a strong career drive. Retrograde Mars excels when given time to pursue Martial matters in their own unique / unconventional way without confining themselves to preconceived expectations of how to pursue them. They will usually pursue goals with patience, skill, and cleverness rather than with loud or obvious displays. The key to this placement is learning to work with (rather than against) this wise and reflective energy.

posted October 05, 2015 09:35 PM            

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I feel those with a direct Mars tend to feel the presence of Mars arrive when in a Martian-related situation, express that Martian energy, and then move on (until that energy is needed again). My retrograde Mars on the other hand seems to have a constant presence within. I feel I should be feared (despite rarely ever being aggressive) because I think Martian things all the time. I feel like an extremely sexual being (despite being a virgin with very little experience with intimacy) because the sex-drive of Mars mingles with my day to day energy and rarely ever subsides. You get the idea. All of the energies that Mars governs are rarely expressed, so they build up and thus sort of lives within Retrograde Mars all the time. However, as unique as this all is it does not blend very well into a world where this is not the norm. A feeling of being ran-over or finishing last is common with a Retrograde Mars. It gets to a point where it's like, what good is feeling all of this energy if I suck at expressing it? Or at least expressing it in the commonly accepted / understood manner.

For example, I find that with this placement I have difficulty expressing anger / aggression during conflict. In hindsight I would always wish I had been more assertive (often in a witty / strong verbal sense since my Retrograde Mars is in Gemini). I imagine a Retrograde Mars in Aries would tend to wish they could have been more assertive (but by punching the other party in the face lol). Yet though Retrograde Mars has issues expressing aggression, one must remember the Martian energy is, in reality, very strong within (because it is rarely released, just built upon). This is why I worry that many of us have the potential (if not checked) to eventually kill or seriously harm people much easier than others based on repressed anger. Mars is our inner soldier, and Retrograde Mars is the quiet calculating soldier (reflecting Scorpio, the other side of Mars) while direct Mars is the brave aggressive solider we are all familiar with (Aries).

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This right here!!!!! Repressed anger is a huge issue in my life. With Mars retrograde in Capricorn I tend to hold onto things until I'm at a boiling point (Capricornian need for control)and then act out (Mars) inappropriately(retrograde) to the pressure and much like you said wished I'd simply been assertive to begin with instead of aggressive to end (usually a relationship.) My Mars is also conjunct Neptune one of the reasons I hold my anger in initially is because I can never distinguish if I'm justifiably angry or just being sensitive to perceived slights/mistreatment. I feel my anger quite intensely but the means to effectively express it at the appropriate time is sorely lacking.

Further more I'm nearly insatiable with a mate but go years in between them and I was older than most when I did do it for the first time (22).

I have trouble getting started with things that are important or interesting to me, but I feel the need strongly to do these things. Being in my second house, I also tend to hesitate acting anything I place high value on, later regretting the many missed opportunities to grow.

posted October 05, 2015 09:54 PM            

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This right here!!!!! Repressed anger is a huge issue in my life. With Mars retrograde in Capricorn I tend to hold onto things until I'm at a boiling point (Capricornian need for control)and then act out (Mars) inappropriately(retrograde) to the pressure and much like you said wished I'd simply been assertive to begin with instead of aggressive to end (usually a relationship.) My Mars is also conjunct Neptune one of the reasons I hold my anger in initially is because I can never distinguish if I'm justifiably angry or just being sensitive to perceived slights/mistreatment. I feel my anger quite intensely but the means to effectively express it at the appropriate time is sorely lacking.

Further more I'm nearly insatiable with a mate but go years in between them and I was older than most when I did do it for the first time (22).

I have trouble getting started with things that are important or interesting to me, but I feel the need strongly to do these things. Being in my second house, I also tend to hesitate acting anything I place high value on, later regretting the many missed opportunities to grow.

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Your comment is really making me piece some things together. Others with Mars Rx claim to have some issues with anger but not nearly to the same degree. I could tell many thought what I wrote was a little extreme. You on the other hand understand exactly what I'm saying and we are both late into Scorpio Rising (I'm 24 degrees). We're basically on a Scorp/Sag rising cusp so to speak. I also have 5 placements in Capricorn so I can completely relate to this energy. The problem is (as I'm sure you've noticed) that despite identifying what the problem is, it seems so impossible to fix. No matter how much I plan for "next time" it does not go as planned...ever. It's all so repressive. Oh and YES when it comes to the mate thing. The few basic intimate situations I have been in (years apart) have revealed that I will be rather "insatiable" when I finally do make the transition over lol. Also, irOkWoo check out the post I make right below this one, it will have a helpful link.

posted October 05, 2015 11:07 PM            

A good place to start would be reading this awesome article on assertion from one of my favorite blogs. Highly recommended for Mars Retrograde because being assertive from the beginning will avoid repressed anger later.

HERE IS THE LINK: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/02/12/how-to-be-assertive/

I'm a graphic designer and actually designed a pretty awesome desktop theme on being assertive in order to avoid internal anger from not speaking up. Your desktop is a great way to remind yourself of things. I will post a download link for the theme file soon but here is a preview of the images.

posted October 06, 2015 09:09 AM            

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You on the other hand understand exactly what I'm saying and we are both late into Scorpio Rising (I'm 24 degrees). We're basically on a Scorp/Sag rising cusp so to speak. I also have 5 placements in Capricorn so I can completely relate to this energy. The problem is (as I'm sure you've noticed) that despite identifying what the problem is, it seems so impossible to fix. No matter how much I plan for "next time" it does not go as planned...ever. It's all so repressive. Oh and YES when it comes to the mate thing. The few basic intimate situations I have been in (years apart) have revealed that I will be rather "insatiable" when I finally do make the transition over lol. Also, irOkWoo check out the post I make right below this one, it will have a helpful link.

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I actually have an intercepted Sag in the 1st house so I identify as both experientially and I'm going through my Saturn return. I read somewhere that the interception is unlocked by progression/major transit and that's what I think I'm going through right now. As far as Mars I can't say its not fixable as it is very difficult to act upon. We are people who rather than worry about flying off the handle should speak up early but with much consideration about what we say. I would also say we handle rx Mars transit better than others because we're accustomed to the energy. That's usually a better time for me to state grievances than any other.

Because you said you hadn't found any sources, I though I'd drop a few here. I identify as a retrograde person (at least 3 planets, in my case 5)

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Mars retrograde holds one's anger inside. Most often, one was severely punished in childhood for expressing any anger. These people dislike and avoid open confrontations. They can seethe and boil inside with rage, but usually, the will not openly express it. Those who are in a close relationship with Mars retrograde people often have to learn how to "read them" as the Mars retrograde person hides his/her anger. Mars retrograde people do not know how to express anger in an acceptable way. If they are pushed to a certain point, to where they can no longer hold their anger in, they often overreact and can be explosive. Given Mars rules the sex drive, in some cases, men who have Mars retrograde can suffer from sexual impotence. In determining this, one must look to other indications in the chart.
Mars direct, posited in the 12th house can have the same significance as Mars retrograde. If Mars retrograde is in Pisces, Libra, or in hard aspect to Saturn, the effects of expressing one's self are even more restricted. I have seen a case where Mars was both retrograde and posited in the 12th house. The one with this had serious psychological and sex problems, but there were also other supporting aspects for this in his chart. In addition, one or more of the areas ruled by the house in which Mars retrograde is posited, along with the houses with Aries and Scorpio on the cusps can experience delays or other problems.

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This next link discusses rxMars in relationship to mates and also the repressive aspect for both sexes and also states that it will always be difficult but will become easier when Mars goes direct by progression in your chart. Hopefully, that turns out to be the case.
http://sasstrology.com/2012/08/mars-retrograde-in-the-natal-chart-when-yang-energy-goes-yin.html

posted October 06, 2015 04:51 PM            

I probably should have clarified on not finding anything. What I meant was not finding anything satisfactory that also touched on how to deal with having Natal Mars Rx. Nevertheless, the article discussing sexuality was particularly interesting to me b/c I certainly see how it could have that effect based on the nature of Mars Rx energy. I wanted to see if men with Mars Rx could verify any experience with this. I know the woman side sort of fits for me. As for Mars going directs, I too have heard various times about things getting easier once it does. I like the idea but I'm not sure I believe it will do much. I keep hoping for a way to deal with it now as it is. Are there any things you've found that have helped you personally with this placement? Working on assertiveness is all I've got so far but Mars Rx affects more than aggression.

On another note have you seen these?

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Mars Rx is combativeness, friction, temper, passion,severe temperament, impulsiveness to act and assert himself based on personal desire. Passion and anger are expressed differently. Undue haste can cause accidents. Destructive activity. Relationships are nearly always distorted on the sexual level and can result in impotence, or the sex drive is increased and never feels satisfied. This person is likely to have multiple partners and/or perversion. The Mars Rx position is more difficult for females. Mars Rx can cause feelings of guilt and blame, which tend to cause isolation. The individual wants to feel close but holds himself back. This leads to inner tension and an overreaction to pressure from those around him. He feels highly insecure about his sexuality, and t
he sexual drive does not flow smoothly with males. He has much to learn about give and take in relationships. Rx Mars in women with overcharged sexual energy and tension can cause frigidity and difficulty in relation to the male principle. Conflicts can flare up. It can also present a liability to imprisonment, danger of slander or scandal, and loss of reputation. Unfortunate adventures. Labor troubles. Feverish complaints and lack of energy. Unreliability in love relationship. Actions are governed by instinct.

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MARS — A retrograde Mars will always take a different course of action in life. Past life karma has afforded them the instinct to get through this life in a different manner than individuals who have a direct Mars. The person is not as direct in their actions as other people. They would rather take the indirect approach to life and exert their drive and ambition from behind the scenes. They have the past life experiences to draw from for guidance. They have the ability to know the proper course of their actions. When life presents them opportunities for taking a new direction, they will succeed if left to their own instincts. They are the individuals who cannot be pushed into making fast decisions. Mars is the planet where we can express those things in life that is
most important to us and it is the area we want to direct our energy. A retrograde Mars knows how they are to perform in this world and their choice of area of life.

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Some things are true in the first one but I do not agree with Mars Rx being related to combativeness. Quite the opposite actually yet this is not the first source to say this. When I finally do get upset then yes, perhaps I get angrier/scarier than the average person, but I'm calm in general. The second one is quite enlightening.

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Feelings of guilt and isolation certainly applies because I feel guilty when I am upset with someone I care about. That leads to holding it in and a resulting distance between myself and others. I have been called unreliable in relationships for this reason. In my own case passive aggression is something I'm now struggling to omit from my habitual response to people I am angry with.

I think that Mars also has a lot to do with learned expressions of anger. I believe read above that rxMars persons have been taught early on that expressing anger (or even feeling anger) is wrong. In my own experience I have internalized the idea that others' anger is more valid than my own, so I tend to internalize my own and direct it at myself more often than not until the resentment reaches a critical mass. I do find that being able to do something I've never done before I am better able to take action on than something I feel has a traditional way of being done.

Erin Sullivan has quite a bit to say about rxMars in the book "RetrogradePlanets" and this is what I resonate most with, although there is certainly more there I can relate to:

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If we do not feel comfortable with our more primitive side it becomes sublimated and cannot be refined and developed fully. It remains in the unconscious, raging and burning to be freed. In this case these natural forces have all the power to irrupt into areas of life which have no place for infantile lust or rage. Situations in life which bring those ‘uncivilized’ feelings to the surface offer opportunities to come to terms with them, often acting as a vehicle for further transforming those undesirable attributes into useful qualities. 
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At some point the retrograde Mars person must accept that his or her world-view 
is predisposed to battle and thus must find an appropriate battle to fight. Since the war is actually an internal one, the opponent should be oneself
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The withdrawal of others-are-heroic into I-am-heroic can be done, even by those with 
Mars retrograde. There is a point where[...]all aggrandized external hero figures, must cease to be the controlling force simply because it becomes an excuse[...] It often means a psychological about-face, a recognition that the battle out there is really the battle in here, and that one should turn one's attention to the self-limiting devices which have undermined one's capacity to realize natural ability fully[...]
If it is not possible to act out 
aggression then it implodes, creating a depression of the senses and, in extreme cases, periods of burn-out and acute melancholy. It might also result in creating needless conflict, if only to realize some form of excitement. When we can create excitement and challenge without it being destructive and confrontational we find that Mars is better served. The term ‘passive aggression’ is intriguing because it is, on the face of it, an oxymoron. 
Anyone who has been on the receiving end of passive aggression knows how confusing and 
complicated it is; one has to spend a great deal of time trying to figure out what one might have done or what it is that the perpetrator really wants. In contrast, people who fall into the category of passive-aggressive are least likely consciously to understand what it is. It is a very special way of being offensive and defensive at the same time. Some might even think it economical - not only can you be angry, but you can prevent anyone from openly retaliating! It is a deadlock, not only inside but outside as well. Although passive aggression is shown through aspects of Mars-Saturn, Mars in Capricorn, Pisces or Scorpio and some combinations of Moon-Mars-Pluto, it is a feature of a retrograde Mars as well. A feeling of anger is exuded, rather than targeted, the retrograde provides a method for controlling others by subtle manipulation, rather than direct command. If Mars retrograde children are not 
allowed an arena to display their anger or aggression, or not taught how to use those 
instinctive forces while young, then they learn ways of diverting and thus displacing their Mars. 

https://www.scribd.com/read/148615577/Retrograde-Planets-Traversing-the-Inner-Landscape

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a bit off topic, but just saw the new ridley scott movie the martian. it's really good, and it has something to do with taking action, transformation etc. lots of esoteric symbolism too.

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Nope haven't seen it but I will definitely look into it now that you've mentioned it

posted October 09, 2015 04:18 AM            

Sexually I have to agree completely with the light masochism. The first of the only two guys I ever became intimate with was a Leo Sun / Scorpio Asc / Earth Mars (Taurus). He used to joke that I was a sadomasochist b/c whenever I would accidentally hurt myself my moans seemed sexual instead of pained hahaha. During intimacy he would bite my neck and various parts of my body VERY hard while giving me hickies and said he wasn't used to someone welcoming it. I remember one day he and I were hanging out with my sister and she was going on and on about how people who were into biting and stuff were crazy/weird. He said "yep they're completely nuts, who does things like that" while staring directly at me with a smirk. It was very funny lol. However I'm not into violent sexuality. A light grasp of my neck or firmly pinning my wrists to the bed is fine but I have ZERO interest in being literally choked or anything. An act of intimacy is really just love in it's physical form and it should never be dangerous or abusive.

The way you explained your guilt when angry with those you love and the effect it has on you shows that you understand your emotions and Martian energy very well despite retrograde difficulties. I feel this understanding will inevitably develop as time goes on and it will be the key to dealing with your Rx Mars energy.

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I think that Mars also has a lot to do with learned expressions of anger. I believe read above that rxMars persons have been taught early on that expressing anger (or even feeling anger) is wrong. In my own experience I have internalized the idea that others' anger is more valid than my own, so I tend to internalize my own and direct it at myself more often than not until the resentment reaches a critical mass. I do find that being able to do something I've never done before I am better able to take action on than something I feel has a traditional way of being done.

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one of my biggest problems is feeling that I do not get angry when I should. Things that would anger the average person I tend to approach with the spiritual maturity of a monk or silently confident observer. I mark the person as ignorant and immature while knowing that if ever they truly angered me I would severely hurt them. However, the reason I tend to still get angry in hindsight is because after a while it becomes obvious that such a noble response to confrontation is not only unappreciated, but looked down on. It makes people provoke you even more. So a sort of vicious cycle starts involving passiveness and extreme anger but never a healthy midpoint.

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OMG Yes. I was that child people provoked because I didnt speak out and then when I did, they looked at me like I was crazy.

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Sexually I have to agree completely with the light masochism. The first of the only two guys I ever became intimate with was a Leo Sun / Scorpio Asc / Earth Mars (Taurus).

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He used to joke that I was a sadomasochist b/c whenever I would accidentally hurt myself my moans seemed sexual instead of pained hahaha. During intimacy he would bite my neck and various parts of my body VERY hard while giving me hickies and said he wasn't used to someone welcoming it. I remember one day he and I were hanging out with my sister and she was going on and on about how people who were into biting and stuff were crazy/weird. He said "yep they're completely nuts, who does things like that" while staring directly at me with a smirk. It was very funny lol. However I'm not into violent sexuality. A light grasp of my neck or firmly pinning my wrists to the bed is fine but I have ZERO interest in being literally choked or anything. An act of intimacy is really just love in it's physical form and it should never be dangerous or abusive.

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Wow this is spot on! I used to question whether or not such feelings were really a result of a Retrograde Mars or just my own personal problem sans the energy of a specific placement. However, since making this thread (and esp. after that post) there is no doubt in my mind that having a natal Retrograde Mars predisposes us to such energies. This is outlined very well in the Erin Sullivan excerpts you shared (excellent information on this placement by the way).

So far has there been any specific actions that you find work best with your Rx Mars in relation to not being passive aggressive and expressing anger?

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I find that I get on very well with air signs. Which is funny because aside from Chiron Gem and S.Node Libra, I have literally no planetary bodies in air. But I have no trouble expressing my feelings honestly with them. I actually get the sense that it is welcome, even the anger and it makes it easier to be assertive. They are the most likely to put i effort to genuinely try to understand.

Also, as a writer, I've gotten into the habit of using the voice recorder on my phone to vent, and then journaling about it later to make sense of the reasons behind my pent up anger before trying to express it so the energy has been diminished and clarified. It's hard, but it helps. Sometimes though, I fall back on being passive aggressive. Aside from my natal chart, that's the example that was set in my home life on how to express anger. So it's an uphill battle with that one.

That Erin Sullivan book is the truth, the way and the light with regard to all the Retrograde planets.

posted October 09, 2015 01:45 PM            

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I like to be spanked...Hard. Biting is also welcomed. Funny you should mention that actually.

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OMG the second guy that I got involved with 5 years later had a Capricorn Mars (Pisces Sun/Moon) and he was into spanking lol. I actually feel it is a trait of CappiMars . Of course my Gemini Mars couldn't help but
silently smile/ laugh at how serious he was lol. He and I got along great though and both earth Mars guys seemed to effortlessly do things for VERY long periods of time with no problem. You folks are very sensual people

It is a bit scary that you are a writer because the Leo Sun/ScorpAsc/Taurus Mars was a writer too. I actually adored him for it because he loved words, etymology, and good literature as much as I do. In addition to being a Gem Mars I'm also a Gemini Moon so that sort of thing is super attractive to me in guys. I keep a journal (always have) and it does help with my anger. I also make songs or poems out of it. I find what helps me most though is when I do not blow up and go crazy. If I speak my mind immediately instead of holding it in but in a stern/calm manner. Everyone in my household was openly aggressive so I saw no examples of passive-aggressive behavior...I simply was and I hated it. The black sheep lol (in more ways than one). As a child I would stab inanimate objects hundreds of times pretending it was the person that angered me. I would also draw images of awful things happening to them or imagine lighting them on fire

Oh my, can I admit stuff like that here???

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It is a bit scary that you are a writer because the Leo Sun/ScorpAsc/Taurus Mars was a writer too. I actually adored him for it because he loved words, etymology, and good literature as much as I do. In addition to being a Gem Mars I'm also a Gemini Moon so that sort of thing is super attractive to me in guys. I keep a journal (always have) and it does help with my anger. I also make songs or poems out of it. I find what helps me most though is when I do not blow up and go crazy. If I speak my mind immediately instead of holding it in but in a stern/calm manner. Everyone in my household was openly aggressive so I saw no examples of passive-aggressive behavior...I simply was and I hated it. The black sheep lol (in more ways than one). As a child I would stab inanimate objects hundreds of times pretending it was the person that angered me. I would also draw images of awful things happening to them or imagine lighting them on fire

Oh my, can I admit stuff like that here???

Nevertheless, I always felt extreme Martian energy on an internal level so I was pretty violent on the inside despite a calm exterior. I feel being Scorpio Rising has a lot to do with this though because not only is Pluto my chart ruler (like all ScorpAsc) but Pluto literally ties with Venus as my two most affected/dominant planets. I am either kind, gentle, and amiable or darn near a demon and there is little balance. I do get on better with Air dominated people or anyone who has no need for unnecessary conflict. Aries rising seriously ***** me off. So combative. Oddly enough other Aries placements don't anger me as much. I guess because I'm a fire Sun/Venus/Jupiter with the rest being air and earth. I have literally only one water placement and that's Scorpio Rising

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posted October 09, 2015 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
It is very subjective indeed and I think that is the best way to go about it :-)
I truly believe we were given specific chart placements to compliment our life path. Bruce Lee had Mars in Scorpio which is said to be similar to Mars Rx and would obviously be considered contrary to the interest of Mars. Yet not only did he pursue a very Martian area of life, he excelled and surpassed amazing standards in it. One would expect a fire Mars to be so outstanding in such a Martian field. No sign is less fit for Mars or better suited for Mars. My Gemini moon is not considered an ideal moon sign (intellect vs emotion), but it is my Gemini moon that keeps me 100% calm in crisis. I have literally stopped my childhood home from burning down just by being so detached. I calmly took the necessary steps to out it, etc. while my Aries rising sister fled the house and left us all in there hahaha. All placements are given for a reason ^_^

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posted October 09, 2015 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by irOkWoo:
Im actually wondering if earth signs have an affinity for the written word. I also have Venus/Midheaven in Virgo,so me being a writer is damn near unavoidable and feels more like compulsion rather than a potential profession. The bolded fits to a T though.

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Originally posted by irOkWoo:

Your chart sounds interesting. I can't decide if Pluto is my chart ruler because it seems like Saturn supersedes it in many ways. Some say its whatever is on your Asc. Some say it has more to do with aspects and planetary rulership. What I do know is Interceptions make everything convoluted compared to a straightforward chart (for example I'm 29 and having my opposite nodal return which supposedly happens at 27). I love Geminis. Gem is intercepted in my 7th house with Chiron so I'm sure there's some karma there. I've only ever met one that I didnt really like but i never did her chart so I dunno what made it so (aside from being dumb as a ball of hair) .

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I've wondered about this too and it is rather confusing. If I'm going based on what's in my 1st house then the Sun rules my chart but Pluto is actually closer to my Scorpio Ascendant despite being in the 12th house. If going more by aspects / rulership Pluto would still tie with Venus (which is in my 1st house along with the Sun). When all else fails I just tell myself my chart is somehow ruled by all three energies (Sun, Venus, and Pluto) because at least I can literally feel that they are the key players. I know next to nothing about opposite nodal returns, interceptions, etc lol. Very minimal as you are definitely more adept at astrology than I am (still learning ).

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Me and Bruce Lee were born on the same day! I love him and his quotes.
I have a virgo moon and I totally relate to your gemini moon and staying calm in crisis due to my virgo moon, which is also not known as a good moon placement.

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Mars in Capricorn Rx in 3rd house here. When I get angry I have a very bad language and I get very aggresive but only in language. I'm usually a passive agressive person.I am told I have a very acid and sharp tongue.

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