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angel4845
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posted October 01, 2015 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have this placement? do you find yourself having a hard time expressing your creativity with this placement or are you very determined when it comes to yoru self expression? how do you feel about this placement? or anyone that knows much about this placement?

I have saturn in my 5th house in Aquarius.
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posted October 01, 2015 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend with this placement. She is 21 years old, not a single relationship, a that is a bit frustrating for her,she says she doesn't have luck in love and she is very good looking. Other than that, she is very creative and good at expressing it. I guess it depends at the matters of 5th house.

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posted October 01, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leonisces:
I have a friend with this placement. She is 21 years old, not a single relationship, a that is a bit frustrating for her,she says she doesn't have luck in love and she is very good looking. Other than that, she is very creative and good at expressing it. I guess it depends at the matters of 5th house.

oh wow what kind of talent does she do?

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posted October 01, 2015 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is very artistic and good at painting (but her mom is a painter so it must be in the genes). She definitely has a serious approach regards love or anything creative she does, she's now on college studying Cultural science, but she was torn between that and Art academy.

Her fifth house is in pisces. How about you?

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posted October 01, 2015 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leonisces:
She is very artistic and good at painting (but her mom is a painter so it must be in the genes). She definitely has a serious approach regards love or anything creative she does, she's now on college studying Cultural science, but she was torn between that and Art academy.

Her fifth house is in pisces. How about you?


in AQUUUUUAAAA, that's cool !!! she's a saturn pisces in 5th ! omg she sounds a little like me, my mom loved the arts! my mom was also a painter but my mom was also a dancer,photographer,pianist, and a writer but in the end had a huge passionf ro psychology. on my dad's side they came from a musical family and illustration was really common with my dad's side, my dad was studying to be an architect and worked for some architecture design positions back in the 80s but he ended up losing that position because technology started imporving so he ended up losing that position cause he didnt know how to design through the computer its complicated to explain but im sure you get the picture.

omg that sounds so beautiful that your friend was a painter. and i' m the same waaayyy im soooo seriosu when it comes to my love affairs i can never be that girl that can sleep with a ton of people and not take love life seriously and just have fun being in the moment i CANNOT i' m just too serious it kind of sucks so i totally understand.

the one thing i find so hard about this placement and i dont know if everyone who has saturn in there 5th feels this way as well but im so HARSH and COLD towards my creative strengths, i write lots of songs and i end up loving them and the next day i end up hating them and thinking that my songs will never be good enough, just like my singing i' ll never feel like my singing is good enough i' m so harsh on myself it sucks cause then i just feel like giving up and thinking there's no point in me even pursuing singer since i' ll never be the best that i can be.

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posted October 01, 2015 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this placement and I really don't think it's more of the expression, its just letting go. Ive always been told that I was uppity or snobby when I just didn't feel like talking.. It's more of perception with this placement.

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posted October 01, 2015 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this placement and I really don't think it's more of the expression, its just letting go. Ive always been told that I was uppity or snobby when I just didn't feel like talking.. It's more of perception with this placement. I can't let go..

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posted October 01, 2015 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is one of the harder Saturn placements imo
It is hard to let loose and have fun. You tend to want to appear mature etc

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posted October 01, 2015 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I have this placement and I really don't think it's more of the expression, its just letting go. Ive always been told that I was uppity or snobby when I just didn't feel like talking.. It's more of perception with this placement. I can't let go..

so you think we just have a hard time letting go of our creative expressions? letting them flow in colors in some ways?

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posted October 01, 2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is one of the harder Saturn placements imo
It is hard to let loose and have fun. You tend to want to appear mature etc


thanks ami anne, it is true its a hard position indeed however do you think that creative expression in the arts would be limited or possibly dampered? do you think talent is definetely there?

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posted October 01, 2015 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Positively you'll be talented at introducing structure in love relationships, with children and in creative ventures; for instance organizing the rules of a really fun game and making sure everyone follows the. Things CAN still be fun and even made funner when we observe the rules... 5th house Saturn is talented at working creatively with the limitations we all face at one point or another. Saturn expressed in a healthy way can define boundaries within which rich experience can still be had... Look at aspects to Saturn and Jupiter's placement for more info about how to expand and create within the lines which Saturn is comfortable with. The limitations are protective, they keep everything together.

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posted October 01, 2015 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I have this placement and I really don't think it's more of the expression, its just letting go. Ive always been told that I was uppity or snobby when I just didn't feel like talking.. It's more of perception with this placement.

Yeah, if you don't feel like it there's good reason for it. Honouring your own boundaries is important with this placement. They are self-protective and in place to allow for growth and expression at your own speed. It could point to a childhood in which there was a strict or overbearing presence which did limit self-expression; now it's the native's chance to delineate their own parameters for what's appropriate and what isn't.

If it's hard to find a lover this may be because of high standards which nonetheless, if respected and worked with, will likely bring a very responsible partner who is good at respecting sexual boundaries. Again, the charts of both people will have to be examined holistically in order to determine more details of how this plays out...

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posted October 01, 2015 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Angel

I can't say talent would be there. That would take a lot of time to see and I would look at neptune trines for that BUT it will not be easy for this person to let down her hair and relax.

I did not read the whole thread. Is it you?

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posted October 01, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in 5th house Pisces. It kinda sucks but it also has perks. I have trouble expressing myself, especially when I was a kid. It's like a blockage that won't go away unless you break through it. But I appreciate how it makes me mature, and understand that hardships are meant for a reason and that if you work hard you can achieve anything. I can be uptight and that probably won't go away. Saturn in 5th house is like almost having a Capricorn sun. Because 5th houses ruler is Leo, and when Saturn is sitting there your "sun" side meaning your overall persona has a heavy Capricorn vibe.

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posted October 01, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi Angel

I can't say talent would be there. That would take a lot of time to see and I would look at neptune trines for that BUT it will not be easy for this person to let down her hair and relax.

I did not read the whole thread. Is it you?


yes its me. and anyone who has experience with this palcement or has an idea about this placement. Yeah i understand i figuered we would have to look at other placements in the natal to see if talent is present.

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posted October 01, 2015 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Positively you'll be talented at introducing structure in love relationships, with children and in creative ventures; for instance organizing the rules of a really fun game and making sure everyone follows the. Things CAN still be fun and even made funner when we observe the rules... 5th house Saturn is talented at working creatively with the limitations we all face at one point or another. Saturn expressed in a healthy way can define boundaries within which rich experience can still be had... Look at aspects to Saturn and Jupiter's placement for more info about how to expand and create within the lines which Saturn is comfortable with. The limitations are protective, they keep everything together.

thanks yungang your awesome! my saturn opposes my chiron/apollo in leo in the 11th exact, my jupiter in the 12th house squares my chart ruler venus in the 3rd house; jupiter quincunx my moon, jupiter trine my neptune/uranus within 2 orbs.

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posted October 01, 2015 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anisa:
I have Saturn in 5th house Pisces. It kinda sucks but it also has perks. I have trouble expressing myself, especially when I was a kid. It's like a blockage that won't go away unless you break through it. But I appreciate how it makes me mature, and understand that hardships are meant for a reason and that if you work hard you can achieve anything. I can be uptight and that probably won't go away. Saturn in 5th house is like almost having a Capricorn sun. Because 5th houses ruler is Leo, and when Saturn is sitting there your "sun" side meaning your overall persona has a heavy Capricorn vibe.

omg i feel you totally....imagine me with sun in cap as my 11 ruler in the 4th house ughhhhhhh

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posted October 01, 2015 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Creative talent is often Merc/Neptune in trine.

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posted October 01, 2015 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anisa:
I have Saturn in 5th house Pisces. It kinda sucks but it also has perks. I have trouble expressing myself, especially when I was a kid. It's like a blockage that won't go away unless you break through it. But I appreciate how it makes me mature, and understand that hardships are meant for a reason and that if you work hard you can achieve anything. I can be uptight and that probably won't go away. Saturn in 5th house is like almost having a Capricorn sun. Because 5th houses ruler is Leo, and when Saturn is sitting there your "sun" side meaning your overall persona has a heavy Capricorn vibe.

I have saturn in Pisces 5th house as well. I agreed with everything you said. Also, I seem to have to face many obstacles to represent my creativity. Also, (I have mentioned this before) my saturn in 5th house pisces also has to do with me being infertile. However, I also have always been perceived as being very stern and serious, I've had people tell me to lighten up. That might also stem from my heavy Capricorn dominance and cap sun

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posted October 01, 2015 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Creative talent is often Merc/Neptune in trine.


i understand, i dont have that, i've spent many years doing art, doing fashion illustration, dancing, acting, and continue to do singing and am getting a BA degree in Music in Performance. I just dont understand why is that i delve into a profession that is creative yet my saturn is blocking that....

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posted October 01, 2015 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I have saturn in Pisces 5th house as well. I agreed with everything you said. Also, I seem to have to face many obstacles to represent my creativity. Also, (I have mentioned this before) my saturn in 5th house pisces also has to do with me being infertile. However, I also have always been perceived as being very stern and serious, I've had people tell me to lighten up. That might also stem from my heavy Capricorn dominance and cap sun


do you fear rejection from your audience when presenting your creativity?

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posted October 01, 2015 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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do you fear rejection from your audience when presenting your creativity?



Yes, severely so. It's hard for me to even present ideas that are founded because of fear of rejection.

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posted October 01, 2015 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
i understand, i dont have that, i've spent many years doing art, doing fashion illustration, dancing, acting, and continue to do singing and am getting a BA degree in Music in Performance. I just dont understand why is that i delve into a profession that is creative yet my saturn is blocking that....


I think Saturn here provides a sense of respobsibility to the creative arts... There is karma for you in expressing your creativity. There is actually opportunity for concrete development of expertise in your area. You could be a teacher of music... You can structure creative ventures in a very concrete way so that they'll be appealing and well founded in reality. It might take you a lot of work to get things out there, but they'll have a lot of meat to them when you do. My opinion.

There is a lot else that can give you a proclivity towards a creative career other than a Mercury/Neptune trine... Would help to see your chart to identify more dynamics here.

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posted October 01, 2015 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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thanks yungang your awesome! my saturn opposes my chiron/apollo in leo in the 11th exact, my jupiter in the 12th house squares my chart ruler venus in the 3rd house; jupiter quincunx my moon, jupiter trine my neptune/uranus within 2 orbs.


Ahhh I didn't see this until now. I thought you might have a particularly auspicious twelfth house planet. Have you read Dana Gerhardt's article about the 12th? Look it up... Might bring some really lucidity to your Jupiter's strength. I share her feelings about the 12th; it is my favourite house and has been for some time, for many of the reasons she describes and more.

The square to chart ruler Venus in your 3rd may give certain challenges given that your intellectual understanding of why you like what you like and do what you do is being alternately blown out of proportion and relegated to the depths of your being and eluding your conscious understanding and awareness.. thus the strangeness of a square from the 12th to the 3rd... You aren't always aware of your strength and power to create beautiful things, but you most certainly are able to do so!

The opposition to chiron/apollo in the 11th in Leo gives more challenges, in that your woundedness is related to your ability to shine when finally delivering your finished product to the masses. Again, there is positivity and innate ability and strength if you can overcome the lack of confidence in yourself through the hard work in a creative field which you know you must do already... The only way out is through, as they say! But you don't necessarily want out--you want to understand--and you can really illuminate something about the egoic struggle between Aquarian values and Leo's heartfelt experience of selfhood through your art. With Chiron in Leo it is your heart which is extra sensitive and thin-skinned--vulnerable to hurt and extra cautious about putting things out there due to fear of hurt pride, which hurts very much indeed. Your Saturn is reinforcing this issue but also protecting you by ensuring that whatever you do create has a really well defined form and doesn't leave much to pick at or criticize.

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posted October 01, 2015 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter trine a Neptune/Uranus conjunction is a fantastic aspect for creating wonderful things! Very original, very beautiful and sometimes very strange and surprising. This would give a bit of an unpredictable quality to the nature of that which you put out, and that probably makes you nervous, given your other chart factors! So you work to structure them but your creative juices create these things which have a life of their own... haha you can rein them in a bit but they're subject to the impressionability of whoever is seeing them and that, my friend, is out of your control surrender is a beautiful thing...

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