posted October 03, 2015 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Is that something neptune likes? I am very neptunian and i also have my moon in the 12th house and what i have noticed with myself is that i kinda like to be underestimated. I like to attack when someone least expect it and I like to have the upper hand behind the "scenes". I don`t like to show how good i really am at something or how much knowledge i have on someone etc etc. I hate when someone starts realising that i have a stronger personality than what they thought or i am a threat of some sort and starts looking out for me. I feel exposed and uncomfortable. I like to have the power i hold hidden.

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YES to everything. its weird because i want people to know I'm super powerful BUT at the same time i want them to be surprised by my hidden weapons of DESTRUCTION. LOL

Basically i love to hide my power and my strengths but at the same time i dream to one day lash that out in a SURPRISING SUSPENSEFUL WAY....if you know what i mean...

posted October 03, 2015 08:45 PM            

However... I do feel a certain amount of Neptunian energy in relation to this..

I feel sometimes Neptunian/Piscean people may be a bit slower at really revealing everything they are to a person, because of a slight subconscious fear that they may be misunderstood.. (In contrast to Pluto, who chooses to stay hidden in fear of vulnerability..)

However.. I feel like someone who is heavily Neptunian could be that friend who like.. Never says random words in another language, but then you randomly see them hold a brief, fluent conversation in another language with someone. xD.. Neptune DOES do things behind the scenes to a certain degree.. And, I know Neptune is usually not exactly the type to brag.. So.. It's kind of like.. "Ok, I'm not going to fully present this skill, until I am put into a situation where I have to" So.. to me.. I feel like Neptune chooses to keep things hidden, in order not to feel as if they are 'showing off' until they are actually put into a situation where they feel entitled to do so..

However, I think you mentioned you have a Uranus-Sun aspect.. Correct? Uranus DOES like to take people off guard sometimes. Uranus likes shocking people.

posted October 03, 2015 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Doesn't strike me as Neptunian or 12th house related. Where is your Mars located?

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posted October 03, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
Dreaminess,

I have Sun, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th....and I resonate with everything you are saying! I love surprising people with my knowledge at my choosing, while they think I know so little. However, sometimes I do get aggravated when my talent and intelligence isn't recognized. I also like to downplay my knowledge in conversation because people are more apt to tell you things more in detail when they think you know nothing, giving you a greater insight into who they are and how they think. Do you do this as well??

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posted October 03, 2015 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
YES to everything. its weird because i want people to know I'm super powerful BUT at the same time i want them to be surprised by my hidden weapons of DESTRUCTION. LOL

Basically i love to hide my power and my strengths but at the same time i dream to one day lash that out in a SURPRISING SUSPENSEFUL WAY....if you know what i mean...

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posted October 03, 2015 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Hmmm.. Actually, I would say that could be a bit Plutonian..

However... I do feel a certain amount of Neptunian energy in relation to this..

I feel sometimes Neptunian/Piscean people may be a bit slower at really revealing everything they are to a person, because of a slight subconscious fear that they may be misunderstood.. (In contrast to Pluto, who chooses to stay hidden in fear of vulnerability..)

However.. I feel like someone who is heavily Neptunian could be that friend who like.. Never says random words in another language, but then you randomly see them hold a brief, fluent conversation in another language with someone. xD.. Neptune DOES do things behind the scenes to a certain degree.. And, I know Neptune is usually not exactly the type to brag.. So.. It's kind of like.. "Ok, I'm not going to fully present this skill, until I am put into a situation where I have to" So.. to me.. I feel like Neptune chooses to keep things hidden, in order not to feel as if they are 'showing off' until they are actually put into a situation where they feel entitled to do so..

However, I think you mentioned you have a Uranus-Sun aspect.. Correct? Uranus DOES like to take people off guard sometimes. Uranus likes shocking people.

But yeah.. The "I would rather keep it hidden until I absolutely need to" Seems kinda Neptunian, in its own way. However.. Pluto and Uranus also come to mind..

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I'm gonna say yes to all of the above.
I have my Sun, Venus, Mercury, and Mars in the 12th house. Neptune is also my fire singleton. I do exactly as you described. I never want to showboat or feel like I'm bragging or being egotistical, so I don't "proclaim" things about myself. If people notice something about me, fine, if not, that's fine, too. I do get a lot of those "I didn't realize this or that thing about you" type of reactions.

However, I also have Pluto tightly square Sun and Venus, Pluto tightly conjunct Moon, Pluto tightly sextile Mars and Asc. and BMLilith in Scorpio. So, yeah, I like it when people underestimate me and my Plutonian side is thinking, "Underestimate me at your own peril. MUAHAHAHA!"

posted October 03, 2015 09:12 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Hmmm.. Actually, I would say that could be a bit Plutonian..

However... I do feel a certain amount of Neptunian energy in relation to this..

I feel sometimes Neptunian/Piscean people may be a bit slower at really revealing everything they are to a person, because of a slight subconscious fear that they may be misunderstood.. (In contrast to Pluto, who chooses to stay hidden in fear of vulnerability..)

However.. I feel like someone who is heavily Neptunian could be that friend who like.. Never says random words in another language, but then you randomly see them hold a brief, fluent conversation in another language with someone. xD.. Neptune DOES do things behind the scenes to a certain degree.. And, I know Neptune is usually not exactly the type to brag.. So.. It's kind of like.. "Ok, I'm not going to fully present this skill, until I am put into a situation where I have to" So.. to me.. I feel like Neptune chooses to keep things hidden, in order not to feel as if they are 'showing off' until they are actually put into a situation where they feel entitled to do so..

However, I think you mentioned you have a Uranus-Sun aspect.. Correct? Uranus DOES like to take people off guard sometimes. Uranus likes shocking people.

But yeah.. The "I would rather keep it hidden until I absolutely need to" Seems kinda Neptunian, in its own way. However.. Pluto and Uranus also come to mind..

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posted October 03, 2015 09:25 PM            

To me, Neptune can definitely embody a shape-shifting energy..

posted October 03, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Is that something neptune likes? I am very neptunian and i also have my moon in the 12th house and what i have noticed with myself is that i kinda like to be underestimated. I like to attack when someone least expect it and I like to have the upper hand behind the "scenes". I don`t like to show how good i really am at something or how much knowledge i have on someone etc etc. I hate when someone starts realising that i have a stronger personality than what they thought or i am a threat of some sort and starts looking out for me. I feel exposed and uncomfortable. I like to have the power i hold hidden.

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I'm like this, but not 12H. I am both Neptunian and Plutonian, however.

It's something of a balancing act...I like to reveal "just enough" to prevent casual malevolence or exploitation, but for the more determined, I want them to be surprised, and thus unprepared, for what I can and will do. Also, some people just fear those who can hurt them and want to hurt them first, which is mind boggling stupid since that's just begging for their irrational fears to actually happen, but no one ever said humanity had a lot of sense. It's best to fly under their radar.

And sometimes it works really well...other times, people have an over the top reaction to me, sometimes just for knowing something unusual.

Though when it works...I once let a guy run his hands over me, and we knew a little about each other then, and he ran his hand over my fanny pack holding my Glock. When we got to my place I took off the fanny pack and put my Glock in its safe and he about freaked out. I was surprised saying he about grabbed it, how did he not know? He said he assumed it was "girl stuff." Asking what that was he said phone, makeup...

Speaking of guns in particular, some prefer open carry, and while I can see value in that, I prefer to carry concealed...because when you carry that openly, that makes you target number one in case someone still intends to inflict harm on someone. Besides, I like the idea that those who would predate on women not know who was carrying.

Heck, a pleasant memory to me is when a guy took in the Grateful Dead shirt I was wearing (which I'd borrowed) along with my mannerism and, to make a long story short, decided to rape me, no doubt thinking that he as a jock could say I was some pothead who had agreed to it at the time (and he was probably right on that). I was 18, I think he was 18-20. While he was expecting some hippie like girl who'd only beg, what he got was an experienced street fighter who had since taken over a year of tough combat training, and I don't mean the kind you pay for to help you fight in tournaments, it was the stuff to use on the streets, possibly even against cops and the like.

A couple of moves later and he was shrieking loudly on his knees before me, his finger in my hand (bent at an unnatural angle) and I marveled at just how EASY that had been, though he was much bigger than me, and given that I'd been brutally raped about a year and a half ago it was liberating for me as it was humiliating for him to be defeated so easily and shrieking for mama at the hands of the small girl in a Grateful Dead shirt. Of course had he actually had an idea of what I could do then I'm sure I wouldn't have had such an easy time putting him in his place (on his knees before me ).

And if he ever tried to rape another girl after that, I'd be surprised (he struck me as just being more immature with impulse control rather than truly predatory, but as his friends and sister saw what happened--they came running out once he started shrieking--and it spread through the town, I doubt he ever wanted to have such humiliation ever happen again, and if the small easygoing hippie in a Grateful Dead shirt could do that to him, what might another woman?).

posted October 03, 2015 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Its in the 4th house

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What sign?

I don't know if Neptune likes to "attack". I don't feel it's associated with that energy. The 12th house is all about serving, goodwill, healing, undoing of the self type of energy. It's not a vengeful placement. That's more of a Martian/ Plutonian energy.

posted October 03, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
What sign?

I don't know if Neptune likes to "attack". I don't feel it's associated with that energy. The 12th house is all about serving, goodwill, healing, undoing of the self type of energy. It's not a vengeful placement. That's more of a Martian/ Plutonian energy.

I have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter in the 12th house/ Pisces. Neptune is conjunct my midheaven. Personally, I would sooner help another succeed than try to outdo them or have them think they've underestimated me. What other people think of me is no importance, and I find this is common for people who have a lot of Pisces placements. As for knowledge, I'd rather teach than try to hide any information I have.

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Agreed. However, I feel like Neptune kind of sometimes has the energy of "They who seek, I will teach.." I mean.. Neptune isn't the planet that would go on and on talking about astrology to a group who has no interest in it(as that would really just be an attempt at feeding the Ego.. Or to justify one's own interests), or a group that is only pretending to be interested. I kind of think of the Tarot card "The Hermit" when I think of Neptune. Yes, it would be all for helping those who are genuinely looking for help.. But, I don't believe it would try to force its help onto someone... As Neptune has a very strong respect for free will, in my opinion. I mean.. I feel it would WANT to help anyone and everyone.. Sometimes even being very self-sacrificial. But, I don't believe it is going to go out of its way to try and force help onto someone unless it is a life or death situation.

I could be wrong, of course. Not to mention, I have been feeling kind of 'off' with my posts tonight.. (I've been sick these last few days.. So, I'm kinda out of it..)

posted October 03, 2015 10:26 PM            

To me, I don't feel Neptune exactly LOVES being in the spotlight. In saying this, I don't think it necessarily likes when someone notices its "power" because then, it feels the person noticing is going to therefore separate Neptune from the rest. And, this makes Neptune uneasy, because it doesn't want anyone to think it is "special" or "better" because, to Neptune, everyone has the same value.. The thing is, not everyone sees things like this. Once the Neptunian is singled out for one of their skills/abilities, they therefore are being "raised" in value from the other person/other people.. I would say Neptune doesn't like this.. Because, it WANTS people to realize that a person's Value is not simply dependent on a person's skills. I'm not saying Neptune doesn't realize the differences between people.. or thinks that we are all "equal" in the way we operate.. Rather, it sees that these differences do not define a person's human Value and rights.

So.. To me, IF Neptune does tone itself down, it isn't to have advantage over others as stated in the OP, it is because it does not want to be treated with more value than it should be.. Or, to be singled out because of the things it would otherwise tone down.

posted October 03, 2015 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
I am curious, though.. Do any of you have Jupiter in Retrograde?

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LOL ........I do and it's in my 12th house.

posted October 03, 2015 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Agreed. However, I feel like Neptune kind of sometimes has the energy of "They who seek, I will teach.." I mean.. Neptune isn't the planet that would go on and on talking about astrology to a group who has no interest in it(as that would really just be an attempt at feeding the Ego.. Or to justify one's own interests), or a group that is only pretending to be interested. I kind of think of the Tarot card "The Hermit" when I think of Neptune. Yes, it would be all for helping those who are genuinely looking for help.. But, I don't believe it would try to force its help onto someone... As Neptune has a very strong respect for free will, in my opinion. I mean.. I feel it would WANT to help anyone and everyone.. Sometimes even being very self-sacrificial. But, I don't believe it is going to go out of its way to try and force help onto someone unless it is a life or death situation.

I could be wrong, of course. Not to mention, I have been feeling kind of 'off' with my posts tonight.. (I've been sick these last few days.. So, I'm kinda out of it..)

(EDIT: I see you edited your original post.. In which you said Pisces doesn't like competition. And, of course I would agree. But.. Wouldn't that be even more of a reason to hide a certain skill until it is needed? "showing off" can be a good way to invite competition. Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong. And, I am not saying I think Neptune is at all about attacking people or trying to be better than others.. But.. I feel this whole topic is a very iffy subject. Honestly, not even entirely sure WHAT I think about it.)

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It's funny that you mention the hermit in tarot, because I swear I see that card almost every time someone does a reading for me

Yes, I agree. And when I mentioned teaching, I meant it in the exact way you described. Using astrology as an example, it's a subject I can go on and on about because I'm passionate, but I won't unless I can feel the other person's interest. So when I see their eyes light up and their expression rapt, that's when I know it's okay to dive right in. I would never argue the merits of astrology to someone who writes it off without taking the time to understand it (and we all know plenty of those people).

And yes, I think Pisces can hide their skills, but it's because they're not inherently showy. They don't hide their skills to be underestimated and use them for the perfect plan of attack. I think they truly love to be appreciated though, and when someone does recognize it, they feel good about themselves, not like they're giving up something they thought gave them the upper hand--if that makes sense.

posted October 03, 2015 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Ok.. Let me revise my statement.

To me, I don't feel Neptune exactly LOVES being in the spotlight. In saying this, I don't think it necessarily likes when someone notices its "power" because then, it feels the person noticing is going to therefore separate Neptune from the rest. And, this makes Neptune uneasy, because it doesn't want anyone to think it is "special" or "better" because, to Neptune, everyone has the same value.. The thing is, not everyone sees things like this. Once the Neptunian is singled out for one of their skills/abilities, they therefore are being "raised" in value from the other person/other people.. I would say Neptune doesn't like this.. Because, it WANTS people to realize that a person's Value is not simply dependent on a person's skills. I'm not saying Neptune doesn't realize the differences between people.. or thinks that we are all "equal" in the way we operate.. Rather, it sees that these differences do not define a person's human Value and rights.

So.. To me, IF Neptune does tone itself down, it isn't to have advantage over others as stated in the OP, it is because it does not want to be treated with more value than it should be.. Or, to be singled out because of the things it would otherwise tone down.

Of course, then again, if we really want to think about it.. Would Neptune even care about this? Because, even those things are of the Ego, if you want to get extremely technical about it.. Not wanting to be treated differently. Sadly, to even exist in this dimension, there is always a slight inherent Ego the soul HAS to try and express itself through. The problem is, the Ego is limited to the body and mind. The Soul is not.

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posted October 03, 2015 10:46 PM            

But I also feel like I don't even know how much I will reveal or what I will do. It's often a matter of timing, which I think is a Neptune issue...to kind of taste the winds of circumstance and see if it's the right time to go to certain depths, or in certain directions.

Some people ONLY know me as a shy person who doesn't say alot, just nods and smiles. I enjoy the assumptions people make about me because I think it's interesting. I'm talking about underlying messages and suggestions that you can read between the lines. It's amusing in a way. And you can hide within that persona they created for you, without even overtly lying, just being still..that way, the most presumptuous people keep themselves at a safe distance, so you don't have to deal with them head-on.

posted October 03, 2015 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Ok.. Let me revise my statement.

To me, I don't feel Neptune exactly LOVES being in the spotlight. In saying this, I don't think it necessarily likes when someone notices its "power" because then, it feels the person noticing is going to therefore separate Neptune from the rest. And, this makes Neptune uneasy, because it doesn't want anyone to think it is "special" or "better" because, to Neptune, everyone has the same value.. The thing is, not everyone sees things like this. Once the Neptunian is singled out for one of their skills/abilities, they therefore are being "raised" in value from the other person/other people.. I would say Neptune doesn't like this.. Because, it WANTS people to realize that a person's Value is not simply dependent on a person's skills. I'm not saying Neptune doesn't realize the differences between people.. or thinks that we are all "equal" in the way we operate.. Rather, it sees that these differences do not define a person's human Value and rights.

So.. To me, IF Neptune does tone itself down, it isn't to have advantage over others as stated in the OP, it is because it does not want to be treated with more value than it should be.. Or, to be singled out because of the things it would otherwise tone down.

Of course, then again, if we really want to think about it.. Would Neptune even care about this? Because, even those things are of the Ego, if you want to get extremely technical about it.. Not wanting to be treated differently. Sadly, to even exist in this dimension, there is always a slight inherent Ego the soul HAS to try and express itself through. The problem is, the Ego is limited to the body and mind. The Soul is not.

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This, entirely. I'm Neptunian and I usually feel this concept quite a bit, and/or struggle with it.

posted October 03, 2015 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Yes. You described Neptune energy perfectly.

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posted October 04, 2015 12:31 AM            

My sister wanted me gone. She was doing her best to hurt me, to drive me crazy, and to ruin any life that I had - and relationships. She managed to affect me to a certain extent there - and certain people were total ******** to me, which I haven't forgotten... but I'm still here.

posted October 04, 2015 12:49 AM            

Neptune is underestimated, but also simultaneously overestimated. But neptune does not seek to take advantage of it. It is an extreeemely passive energy, the most passive planet I might even say. Neptune would rather ebb and flow with the misunderstandings without seeking to change them or take advantage of them. They would rater exist with them while focusing on their own dream in a parallel universe.