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Belage
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posted October 24, 2015 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Venus is in its fall in Virgo...
This is an indication that the critical and analytical mind is far from an understanding of love.
When a person has Venus in Virgo, they may be discriminating and proper, but they can be extremely unloving and apt to be fault-finding.
They have not yet learned to love, and have difficulty in attracting love because of their own lack.
They can change, and the secret is hidden in the higher meaning of VIRGO: service, and humbleness of heart-- Willing to be 'nothing' in order that the hidden Christ can come forth.

Sorry but I think this interpretation is BS.
Venus in virgo is not more unloving than self centered Venus in Aries. Not more unloving than overindulgent Venus in Taurus. Certainly not more unloving than flighty and superficial Venus in Gemini. Not more unloving that self centered Venus in Leo. Not more unloving than calculating Venus in Capp. Not more unloving than detached Venus in Aqua... You get the drift.

The thing about Venus in Virgo is that it turns its supercritical eye on ITSELF, and as such no matter how perfect the person looks on the outside, they are a mountain of insecurities on the inside, always feeling and thinking that they need to be perfect to be loved, always thinking that they have to serve someone in order for that someone to love them.

The person with Venus in Virgo never feels good enough to be loved just as she/he is, and that is why Venus falls.

Therefore the remedy for Venus in Virgo is not to love others more. First Venus in Virgo has to love and accept herself, flaws and all, and not be so critical about HERSELF. Then she will not find the need to debase herself in relationships with unsuitable companions. Only when she is able to love herself can she turn this love outside and love others as they are. And if she wants to serve them, she can do so from a position of strength, not from a position of insecurity.

And if Venus in Virgo does not find a suitable companion then she has to be ready to be alone.

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posted October 24, 2015 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Venus is in its fall in Virgo...
This is an indication that the critical and analytical mind is far from an understanding of love.
When a person has Venus in Virgo, they may be discriminating and proper, but they can be extremely unloving and apt to be fault-finding.
They have not yet learned to love, and have difficulty in attracting love because of their own lack.
They can change, and the secret is hidden in the higher meaning of VIRGO: service, and humbleness of heart-- Willing to be 'nothing' in order that the hidden Christ can come forth.

Sorry but I think this interpretation is BS.
Venus in virgo is not more unloving than self centered Venus in Aries. Not more unloving than overindulgent Venus in Taurus. Certainly not more unloving than flighty and superficial Venus in Gemini. Not more unloving that self centered Venus in Leo. Not more unloving than calculating Venus in Capp. Not more unloving than detached Venus in Aqua... You get the drift.

The thing about Venus in Virgo is that it turns its supercritical eye on ITSELF, and as such no matter how perfect the person looks on the outside, they are a mountain of insecurities on the inside, always feeling and thinking that they need to be perfect to be loved, always thinking that they have to serve someone in order for that someone to love them.

The person with Venus in Virgo never feels good enough to be loved just as she/he is, and that is why Venus falls.

Therefore the remedy for Venus in Virgo is not to love others more. First Venus in Virgo has to love and accept herself, flaws and all, and not be so critical about HERSELF. Then she will not find the need to debase herself in relationships with unsuitable companions. Only when she is able to love herself can she turn this love outside and love others as they are. And if she wants to serve them, she can do so from a position of strength, not from a position of insecurity.

And if Venus in Virgo does not find a suitable companion then she has to be ready to be alone. [/QUOTE]
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posted October 24, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio energy is at odds with moon or Venus energy. Mars is the planet of agression while Venus along with Neptune are passive energy which can aggravate Mars ruled folks who like to see people take charge of their lives and be independent. They might view passive energy as weak and become frustrated by it.

So when the moon is Scorpio, the mind might be overly aggressive, quick tempered and prone to aggravation, irritation, and on a bad day, rage. Since Pluto co rules Scorpio, the nature could be prone to jealousy, suspicion or paranoia.

On the plus side, there could be a lot of insight and a predisposition against naivete so they aren't as easy to fool or get the best of.


They can be tough and might not feel at ease with the nurturing roles.

Military or police work might attract Scorpio moons.

At the worst, their emotions are most fulfilled around destructive or dangerous people and they could have grown up around such types so they feel comfortable only around those who seem to want to do them harm and they could also harm others if they are not aware of the energy driving this reality they can embrace.

Venus, traditionally, is not at home in the signs ruled by Mars while she loves the signs ruled by Jupiter since it is the greater benefic.

In Scorpio, the love nature might not be receptive and they have a difficult time fulfilling satisfying relationship roles if they gravitate toward those who expect a more robust expression of Venus. Depends on what is expected of loved ones. Some people cannot deal with Venus at her most expressive so Venus in Scorpio or Aries would do best to find such persons because they would be more in tune with the Venus in Mars's sign's vibe.

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posted October 24, 2015 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister and ex Best friend from high school both have moon in scorpio but both have Sun in cancer and my first boyfriend had moon in scorpio and he was an aqua sun:

"when the moon is in Scorpio, the mind might be overly aggressive, quick tempered and prone to aggravation, irritation, and on a bad day, rage."

^That does not fit at all anyone I have known with moon in scorpio; they seem to keep their cool and emotions to themselves, I have never seen them lose control, this description sounds more like mars conjunct uranus square venus to me.

"Since Pluto co rules Scorpio, the nature could be prone to jealousy, suspicion or paranoia."

^Oh yeah that does fit well, my sister and ex best friend were paranoid about who they date and very suspicious and distrustful..

What I have noticed about this placement come to think of it is that they don't let go all the way emotionally bc of distrust, fear and paranoia so they only let people in up to a certain point. There is something about interacting with them that does not flow, there is a wall and they hide a lot secrets from their loved ones, things that to me do not make sense.

Like my sister has not told her husband that my mom is adopted! I found that so ridiculous, she keeps secrets like that from him all the time; I tell my husband everything for the most part, its very rare I keep something from him like VERY and if I am is to protect his feelings type of thing.

But moon in scorpio for some reason has the need to keep things from their love ones big or small, they have the need to keep secrets from you and keep you at arms length not letting you in all the way as that would be too risky..


Their suspicious nature, their paranoia, dis-trustfulness, not letting anyone all the way in, and strangely I feel they avoid taboo topics, they avoid going deep. I feel moon in scorpio does not feel safe easily and are afraid/fearful.

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posted October 24, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I had the kind of moon that would make me feel zero. LOL
I have the scorp moon I do have anger issues, off course I will only explode after some extended provocation.

People usually say we're very emotional and whatever but if things are getting too corny and emotional I will dump the other. I just can't do it.

It's a Moon ruled by Mars, make no mistake on what that really means.

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posted October 24, 2015 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Soltze:
I wish I had the kind of moon that would make me feel zero. LOL
I have the scorp moon I do have anger issues, off course I will only explode after some extended provocation.

People usually say we're very emotional and whatever but if things are getting too corny and emotional I will dump the other. I just can't do it.

It's a Moon ruled by Mars, make no mistake on what that really means.


What placements and aspects does your Mars make??

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posted October 24, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh another thing I have noticed about moon in scorpio females is this need to be in control and be the alpha female in the group and if they are not they feel insecure and that is not acceptable so they are calculating and strategic about who they befriend and each friend serves a purpose and can be easily discarded if you no longer serve that purpose.

Wait to be fair the person I am describing has moon in scorpio and venus in virgo so that combo will make someone very calculating and insecure and also good at hiding their insecurities.

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posted October 24, 2015 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anger issues would not be a moon in scorpio thing. Like my best friend from high school had ZERO anger issues and she has moon in scorpio. Now if you looked at her mars it makes TWO aspects and that is it:

Mars TRINE MOON
Mars Biquintile Uranus

My sister has moon in scorpio and does not have anger issues, she has mars-horus in virgo at 0d squaring her moon opposite jupiter and sextiling uranus and mercury so her mars is at the apex of a tsquare.

My first boyfriend had no anger issues and he also has moon in scorpio and his mars conjuncts saturn and squares his nodes so his mars is at the apex of tsquare.

I feel moon in scorpio can make you driven, strategic and calculating but they tend to be very good at keeping cool and staying calm, I imagine they are great in emergency situations as they can stay collected and act. Yes the moon is ruled by mars but that does equal anger issues.

When I think of anger issues I think mars hard aspects to uranus. Like a client of mine she is a teen with anger issues; she has moon in aries but has Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn all in TAURUS and her MARS squares URANUS.

Now on the other hand my aqua friend has MOON conjunct MARS in ARIES but his MARS sextiles his sun and trines his saturn and uranus. He can get annoyed and be impatient but his anger is manageable.

An old friend has moon in libra and mars conjunct Uranus, there are some anger issues there; she can come off as spoiled and bratty bc of it and destroys property when gets into fights with her ex.

Mars-Uranus aspects can indicate some anger issues specially the hard aspects that is my experience. I would add that moon in aries and moon in scorpio are very different, I could see anger issues been more of a thing with moon in aries but I feel that would just make the native impulsive and impatient and for anger issues you would look at mars hard aspects to uranus.

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posted October 25, 2015 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My sister and ex Best friend from high school both have moon in scorpio but both have Sun in cancer and my first boyfriend had moon in scorpio and he was an aqua sun:

"when the moon is in Scorpio, the mind might be overly aggressive, quick tempered and prone to aggravation, irritation, and on a bad day, rage."

^That does not fit at all anyone I have known with moon in scorpio; they seem to keep their cool and emotions to themselves, I have never seen them lose control, this description sounds more like mars conjunct uranus square venus to me.

"Since Pluto co rules Scorpio, the nature could be prone to jealousy, suspicion or paranoia."

^Oh yeah that does fit well, my sister and ex best friend were paranoid about who they date and very suspicious and distrustful..

What I have noticed about this placement come to think of it is that they don't let go all the way emotionally bc of distrust, fear and paranoia so they only let people in up to a certain point. There is something about interacting with them that does not flow, there is a wall and they hide a lot secrets from their loved ones, things that to me do not make sense.

Like my sister has not told her husband that my mom is adopted! I found that so ridiculous, she keeps secrets like that from him all the time; I tell my husband everything for the most part, its very rare I keep something from him like VERY and if I am is to protect his feelings type of thing.

But moon in scorpio for some reason has the need to keep things from their love ones big or small, they have the need to keep secrets from you and keep you at arms length not letting you in all the way as that would be too risky..


Their suspicious nature, their paranoia, dis-trustfulness, not letting anyone all the way in, and strangely I feel they avoid taboo topics, they avoid going deep. I feel moon in scorpio does not feel safe easily and are afraid/fearful.


My Aunt has Scorpio moon and she could control her temper but when she was around family and close friends, the aggravation, annoyance and anger was discernable. I knew someone else with anger problems that had to be resolved with moon here. They both had one thing in common - total devotion to family. It is the one placement that really is capable of unconditional love toward their parents, brothers and sisters, but perhaps not children, which they can view as demanding and spoiled. They are incredibly loyal to family even when it's to their own detriment. They will never abandon their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles or siblings unless there is someone in the family their mother dislikes. They will blindly dislike whomever they perceive to be against their mother. They are the most devoted to her.

My Aunt with Scorpio moon has never ever ever said one bad thing about her mother and that is really saying something because most people have complained at least once about their parents but she never has. She has never said, I really didn't like it when mom did this or that, typical, normal stuff most people say about their parents. They will acknowledge being upset when they were punished for something and parents aren't perfect so usually there's at least one time they are unfair and their children resent it and talk about how bummed out they were about it but in her eyes her mother can do no wrong and never did. It's phenomenal.

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posted October 25, 2015 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I would insist that anger issues have more to do with mars aspects themselves than having moon in scorpio; I would love to see the entire chart of your Aunt.

However I do find it very interesting your observation about moon scorpio's extreme loyalty to family, something to look into and see if it is a consistent finding. Two of the moon scorpios I know are very loyal to their family but they also have sun in cancer.

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