posted October 23, 2015 01:34 PM            

The opposite of this is of course Taurus which is a very thoughtful, methodical and reasonable placement. Good for emotions because there isn't the same overreaction to things.

posted October 23, 2015 02:10 PM            

Mars and Pluto are the two most quintessentially masculine planets.
They are war and the underworld, respectively.
Few signs have an ancient and a modern ruler, but for Scorpio, that's the case with both these planets.

Moon and Venus are the two most quintessentially feminine planets.
They are sentiment and affection
While the Moon is not ruled by Taurus, it is in exaltation in the sign, and of course, Venus is the classic representation of Taurus.

Taurus and Scorpio are on the opposite axis of one another

So when you switch up their representative rulers, they cannot blend well into their bizarro-world planets.

Venus is in detriment in Scorpio
Mars is in detriment in Taurus
It's like the Persephone/Hades dichotomy

The same goes for most axis planets!

The Moon is ruled by Cancer
Saturn is ruled by Capricorn

Saturn is in detriment in Cancer
The Moon is in detriment in Capricorn

posted October 23, 2015 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Having a Moon in Scorpio I can tell you it SUCKS...wayyyyy too emotionally intense. Good yes for people who can handle it or are into that sorta thing but sort of mind-blowing for people that aren't. Intense bitterness, hatred and vengeful feelings for those who betray you and over-attachment to those who don't. It's a very paranoid placement and can be very unreasonable when threatened.

The opposite of this is of course Taurus which is a very thoughtful, methodical and reasonable placement. Good for emotions because there isn't the same overreaction to things.

While it can be good in the sense that you DO feel and feel very deeply and are brave in the face of highly emotional situations, it's just too much most of the time.

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I see...

posted October 23, 2015 04:26 PM            

Scorpio is a super powerful sign for yin planets imo

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posted October 23, 2015 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I know it's not the same but having Scorpio progressed moon last time it came around. I never want it again.

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I'm curious. Mind elaborating a little bit?

I have pMoon in Gemini and that's not fun either, lol. I dunno how you guys deal with it in natal. I mean, it might be my Gem asc, but holy moly, the whole "duality" thing, ay... I'm kinda scared of it moving into Cancer though, am afraid I'll just cry for 2 years non-stop, lmao.

Anyway... tangent over.

Here's my 2 cents.

I'm not sure what kind of explanation you're looking for, hypatia, I assume you know about the technical side of things (and someone else explained that already anyway).

But the Moon and Venus are "debilitated" in Scorpio because they're what you could call 'love' planets, and Scorpio is um, a little too conflict-prone for that. Not just outwardly, but more particularly inwardly. Scorpio is the self-tormentor. It's the guy who's gonna torment himself and torment you, too (as a byproduct).

So you put the sensitive, touchy-feely Moon in there, and it's like you never get a peaceful moment. It's all about drama, highs and lows, ups and downs. There's seemingly always some kind of emotional upheaval, whether it's yours or someone else's (with men very often it's the women in their lives that cause them the most pain and turmoil. Personally I've known more "calm" males with a Scorpio Moon than females, and I suppose/assume it's because of the infamous projection process).

And with Venus, well, it's kinda the same except the drama is more exclusively focused on romantic connections (and sometimes friendships) but doesn't necessarily extend to more than that.

With the Moon, you're bound to experience the crazy emotions pretty much anywhere anytime, but with Venus it's more likely to affect only those situations where Venus is activated (social situations and romantic situations).

Scorpio is not a "peaceful" sign, that's the reason, basically (same with Aries).
The Moon is too sensitive for Pluto's brutality and Venus is too cordial for Pluto's intensity. That's why people who have these placements are often (but not always) pretty "complicated".

Ps. Yes, it is absolutely possible to not have the drama/crazy emotions with either Moon or Venus in Scorpio... But that usually comes with time and experience (and self-reflection) and not as an innate ability.

posted October 23, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Venus is in detriment in Virgo, different from fall in Scorpio.

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oops!! You have that "reversed"...

VENUS
according to the Table of Planetary Honors & Dishonors*

Dignity: Taurus, Libra
-- and the sign 180-degrees is called 'Detriment'
Detriment: Scorpio, Aries

Exaltation: Pisces
-- and the sign 180-degrees is called 'Fall'
Fall: Virgo

posted October 23, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I'm curious. Mind elaborating a little bit?

I have pMoon in Gemini and that's not fun either, lol. I dunno how you guys deal with it in natal. I mean, it might be my Gem asc, but holy moly, the whole "duality" thing, ay... I'm kinda scared of it moving into Cancer though, am afraid I'll just cry for 2 years non-stop, lmao.

Anyway... tangent over.

Here's my 2 cents.

I'm not sure what kind of explanation you're looking for, hypatia, I assume you know about the technical side of things (and someone else explained that already anyway).

But the Moon and Venus are "debilitated" in Scorpio because they're what you could call 'love' planets, and Scorpio is um, a little too conflict-prone for that. Not just outwardly, but more particularly inwardly. Scorpio is the self-tormentor. It's the guy who's gonna torment himself and torment you, too (as a byproduct).

So you put the sensitive, touchy-feely Moon in there, and it's like you never get a peaceful moment. It's all about drama, highs and lows, ups and downs. There's seemingly always some kind of emotional upheaval, whether it's yours or someone else's (with men very often it's the women in their lives that cause them the most pain and turmoil. Personally I've known more "calm" males with a Scorpio Moon than females, and I suppose/assume it's because of the infamous projection process).

And with Venus, well, it's kinda the same except the drama is more exclusively focused on romantic connections (and sometimes friendships) but doesn't necessarily extend to more than that.

With the Moon, you're bound to experience the crazy emotions pretty much anywhere anytime, but with Venus it's more likely to affect only those situations where Venus is activated (social situations and romantic situations).

Scorpio is not a "peaceful" sign, that's the reason, basically (same with Aries).
The Moon is too sensitive for Pluto's brutality and Venus is too cordial for Pluto's intensity. That's why people who have these placements are often (but not always) pretty "complicated".

Ps. Yes, it is absolutely possible to not have the drama/crazy emotions with either Moon or Venus in Scorpio... But that usually comes with time and experience (and self-reflection) and not as an innate ability.

Pps. I kinda feel like this post is really generic. Sorry about that.

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Thanks for your response D!. Yes the post is generic but you did an excellent job responding.

You know when you are too close to something is harder to see it and I am trying to understand this placements more in depth bc I have venus-mars in the 8th and moon rules my 8th.

All the responses are helping me understand more this placement.

posted October 23, 2015 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The moon and Venus are yin planets( receptive energy) versus the Sun and mars, which are yang planets(active energy)

Scorpio is a super powerful sign for yin planets imo

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posted October 23, 2015 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
oops!! You have that "reversed"...

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Haha, takes a Virgo Moon to notice and correct such things!

Hi mirage.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
All the responses are helping me understand more this placement.

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Ahh, I see now.
Does all the talk about intensity/drama resonate at all?

posted October 23, 2015 05:40 PM            

I studied Chinese medicine. They see things in terms of yin and yang. They don't diagnose disease, as we do. They use yin and yang, as well as other simple kinds of concepts.
Astrology fits in this model, imo.

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posted October 23, 2015 05:49 PM            

Isabel Hickey, Astrology A Cosmic Science (1970)

Chapter Five: Planetary Powers p.45
.... One of the most important tables to memorize I studying astrology is what is called 'Planety Dignities.' On this rests all your understanding of 'the laws and the prophets.'
In some signs the power of energy we call a planet is able to project itself without any hindrance, for it is functioning in a field harmonious to its own nature
In other signs a planetary energy is blocked by being in a sign not compatible to its nature, and its full expression is hindered.
You will find the ability to judge the power of a planet very necessary in interpreting charts, (especially when you are interpreting horary charts).

.... When a planet is IN THE SIGN IT RULES, it is said to be DIGNIFIED because it is powerful in its own sign, and can express itself freely.
.... Planets in opposite signs to the signs which they rule are in their DETRIMENT. Their power is lessened by being placed in signs that are un-congenial to their own nature.
e.g. Saturn rules Capricorn-- the sign Cancer is opposite to Capricorn.
(therefore, Saturn is in its detriment in Cancer.)

(p.48, 49) VENUS
{Isabel was very deep, devout, and poetic/romantic. She lived 1903 to 1980 era.}
QUOTE-- Why is Venus in its highest position in Pisces?
Because only through compassion does one sacrifice cheerfully and joyfully and not count-the-cost. The Highest type of love is often misunderstood and crucified by the children of earth... {I.H. names martyrs in history}.
Venus in Pisces has a very difficult time on the planet. Their ideals of love are not geared to the earth.
They are a bit different from the complaining one who said:
"Must I keep giving, and giving again?"
'No,' said the angel, piercing me through.
Give 'till the Lord stops giving to YOU.

Venus in Taurus is the earth Venus.
Venus in Libra is more cultured and artistic.

Venus is in its fall in Virgo...
This is an indication that the critical and analytical mind is far from an understanding of love.
When a person has Venus in Virgo, they may be discriminating and proper, but they can be extremely unloving and apt to be fault-finding.
They have not yet learned to love, and have difficulty in attracting love because of their own lack.
They can change, and the secret is hidden in the higher meaning of VIRGO: service, and humbleness of heart-- Willing to be 'nothing' in order that the hidden Christ can come forth.

posted October 23, 2015 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Oh and, by the way, I don't mean "drama" in a super pejorative way here; I think many people experience drama in their lives, but some more than others. So I use this word kinda loosely here, but the intent is to conjure up the... intensity of the emotional responses, whether in the individual or the people around him.

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HAAA! Doux!! I'm BUSTED!!! (You remembered my Moon!!)

My Virgo Moon feels on STEROIDS-- it's nutso. .... Don't mean to offend people, okay? Know that!!

posted October 23, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
oops!! You have that "reversed"...

[b]VENUS
according to the Table of Planetary Honors & Dishonors*

Dignity: Taurus, Libra
-- and the sign 180-degrees is called 'Detriment'
Detriment: Scorpio, Aries

Exaltation: Pisces
-- and the sign 180-degrees is called 'Fall'
Fall: Virgo

ref
Alan Oken p.311* AO's Complete Astrology[/B]

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Venus in scorpio is at detriment
Moon in scorpio is at fall

I found this:

"The dignitaries only mean ... the planet is easily expressed in this sign ... or ... the planet is not easily expressed in this sign.

Take Moon ... Moon is what we need to feel emotionally safe, it is our emotional nature.
Dignified in Cancer, Moon needs to nurture and connect ... and doesn't that give us a feeling of emotional safety?
Detrimented in Capricorn, Moon may strive to find emotional security through material security ... that doesn't work as well, does it?
Exalted in Taurus, Moon strives to find emotional security by avoiding emotional up's and down's, having a smooth emotional response to life. Well, that does provide a type of security, in it's stability and reliability of our emotions.
In Fall in Scorpio, Moon strives to find emotional intensity ... this doesn't exactly provide a lot of emotional security.

Summary: Moon in dignity/exaltation finds it easier to meet the Moon need for emotional security/safety. Moon in detriment/fall finds it somewhat more difficult ... but certainly NOT impossible ... they just have to work a bit harder at it."

Huh I do have moon in the 3rd ruling my 8th so my need for emotional intensity and stimulation/diversity get in the way of emotional stability and well-being or security. I channel that need via the occult; can you tell??! and also being a therapist and occasionally flirting online and this allows me to make the most out of that placement and not self destruct, well it keeps the self destructiveness in check at least so it leaks but does not explode in my face.

I am starting to feel that moon and venus in the scorpio are thrill seekers. Like my client she has sun-venus-mars in scorpio and moon in sag and she wants to go into law enforcement but you should see her talk about arresting people you can see her get super excited and is her way of satisfying her sun-venus-mars in scorpio thrill seeking side by upholding the law (moon in sag). She fantasizes about opening up a night club and faking being a security guard so she can catch 'bad guys' bc in reality she would be a police officer but they don't know that; she feels people go to night clubs after they have committed crimes or to commit crimes there etc.. I told her that is entrapment...LOL, Isn't it?

posted October 23, 2015 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Ahh, I see now.
Does all the talk about intensity/drama resonate at all?

Oh and, by the way, I don't mean "drama" in a super pejorative way here; I think many people experience drama in their lives, but some more than others. So I use this word kinda loosely here, but the intent is to conjure up the... intensity of the emotional responses, whether in the individual or the people around him.

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posted October 23, 2015 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
HAAA! Doux!! I'm BUSTED!!! (You remembered my Moon!!)

My Virgo Moon feels on STEROIDS-- it's nutso. .... Don't mean to offend people, okay? Know that!!

And Doux... I have always loved and admired your sensitivity and Beautiful Soul. Good to see you again.

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Doux, Mirage and Gabby all have Virgo in moon and you guys are all sweethearts. The esoteric ruler of the moon is VIRGO.

posted October 24, 2015 05:33 AM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Having a Moon in Scorpio I can tell you it SUCKS...wayyyyy too emotionally intense.

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I hate how accurate your description is. I wish I had another moon sign

posted October 24, 2015 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Doux, Mirage and Gabby all have Virgo in moon and you guys are all sweethearts. The esoteric ruler of the moon is VIRGO.

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Thank you, hypatia
You're a sweetheart, yourself.
My Moon doesn't touch any of your stuff though.
Interesting about the esoteric ruler thing. Never heard of that. What is it based on? I have a hard time seeing Virgo ruling the Moon though, lol. It seems so counter-intuitive.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And I am happy to see you around here again.

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